Dre vs Metallica

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Shh, Jess, you're giving it away!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 February 2003 19:52 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

>I think it's your sweeping generalization that I found off-putting.

So because I fail to put in an (virtually implied) "many" or "most" modifier, I am super-smuggo?

> Moreover, I wouldn't say it's a simple as you depict it. The >reasons why many indie bands "fail" to sound commercial is more >likely because the musicians involved are bored by "commercial"->sounding music.

I wasn't criticizing indie bands for being uncommercial, I was criticizing *many of* them for dismissing any music with a commercial motivation. Besides, some indie music, with some slight slight tweaking, could be commercially successful (and possibly improve in musical quality).

fletrejet, Monday, 3 February 2003 20:08 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Metallica/Urlcih voiced their concerns about Napster and internet piracy a little before Dre did - so maybe they took the brunt of the criticism on the basis. Also Dre is probably not as hypocritical as they are in that he probably didnt encourage live bootlegging as such...and somewhat ironically many people probably lost more respect for Ulrich than Dre on that basis too.

i dont think hip hop was ever about getting paid in full any more than rock n' roll. i think its possible that the likes of KRS-One had a lot of trouble with record companies in the 80s which stopped them getting to Dre's level and informed their 'no sell out' stance too perhaps. i find Dre's persistance in the business and objections to piracy quite sickening considering he's been a multi-miilionaire ever since the release of 'The Chronic' - i suppose its like a champion sports team - they dont quit once they've won the big prize, they try and win it again of course...but still...what's really motivating people like Dre and even the Neptunes (or indeed anyone?) to want to do what they do for 20 years or beyond when the whole process becomes evermore manufactured/processed rather than innovative or primarily artistically motivated once they've already become richer than in their wildest dreams after only 10 years in the game.

stevem (blueski), Monday, 3 February 2003 20:23 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

And let's not forget that Ulrich & Co didn't exactly please many fans with their earlier money-grabbing antics (loads of "especially for the fans" videos, t-shirts, the "Live Shit" box set, repackaging their old B-sides and a bunch of shitty covers as "Garage Inc", and of course "S&M"), and coupled with the bland black album and the "Load"/"Reload" disaster, Metallica were already widely disliked.

Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:39 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I thought that Dave was implying that Dre's a hypocrite for disowning file sharing when in fact his whole art is based around "stealing"; this has nuthin' to do with either any sort of ghetto idelogies or getting paid in full (after all, if Hip-Hop artists can steal to get $$$, surely we can steal to get a crummy piece of music?)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:15 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

hey a lot of hip hop artists used to sell drugs to get $$$ - oh but they HAD to i guess...

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:17 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

fifteen years pass...

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del griffith, Saturday, 12 May 2018 01:05 (one year ago) Permalink

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