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i have the board game too. It's Spy Vs Spy, right?

I loved it when I was little - would stay up past my bedtime, lying on the floor by my bedroom door and reading by the hallway light. But, as has been stated above, it has no relevance now whatsoever.

I loved Duck Edwing best.

Anyway, it's hard to enjoy after the repeated shellacings at the hands of The Simpsons. I guess you could say the satirical torch has been passed, huh?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Viz is an english magazine sort of in the same genre as MAD but kind of not Samantha.

Very crass and bawdy but not in a good way.

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 01:02 (nineteen years ago) link

socking it to that spirew agnew guy again!
yes, it was spy vs. spy. my mother thinks that she should be up for sainthood based on the 100s of times she uncomplainingly played it with me.

xpost

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 01:04 (nineteen years ago) link

"no relevance" as in its attitude has permeated the entire culture

xpost: Viz is my favorite comic ever! goldfish boy! FELIX AND HIS AMAZING UNDERPANTS!Drunk Bakers!!!

xxpost: there was a spy vs spy computer game as well. terrible.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 01:05 (nineteen years ago) link

why do things have to be "relevant" anyway?

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 01:18 (nineteen years ago) link

classic! classic! classic! kiss my ass classic! second only in childhood significance to garbage pail kids and badge-a-minit!

x Jeremy (Atila the Honeybun), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 01:21 (nineteen years ago) link

oh i'm totally with you on the garbage pail kids thing!

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link

classic, but NatLamp's "You Know You've Really Outgrown MAD When..." is also way classic. The one that gave me the giggles longest had a picture of a kid maybe sixteen years old, mouth open in half-laugh, holding a stone in his palm at eye-level. Caption: You know you've really outgrown MAD when... You find a richer source of humor in other things, like rocks."

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 01:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I like how everybody says that MAD stopped being good after THEY outgrew it. Sorta like Sonic Youth. While I haven't read MAD lately, I will tomorrow. A new one. I almost bought one last week, but I chose Harper's instead. Because Harper's has better fart jokes.

Huck, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 05:00 (nineteen years ago) link

harpers bazaar?

ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 05:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Huck meant Harper's Proctology Monthly.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 05:59 (nineteen years ago) link

"The MAD Magazine Game" referred to upthread isn't the Spy Vs Spy one, it's a sort of reverse Monopoly where you try and lose all your money. Some nice Jack Davis drawings, but I don't think anything new for the game board.

Viz Comic - British institution. Based more on DC Thompson-type titles (Beano, Dandy etc) than TV parody, although for several years c-list celebrities have made appearances in strips where they have unlikely adventures (didn't Esther Rantzen originally own the vibrating arse-faced mountain goats?). I've been buying it since #23 (mid-80s), and it's only had about five new jokes since. THIS IS A GOOD THING.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 08:01 (nineteen years ago) link

i also went to the MAD offices when i was 13! (they weren't in madison avenue anymore then). i think i was even more wide eyed and floaty than mr. hand. i was given the office tour, but was too stunned to really say much. bill had passed away by then, but annie gaines gave me some mad pins. and nick meglin signed my copy of "completely mad" and lied about joe raiola being mort drucker (which confused my dad). the magazine is classic and recently i've been poring over the reprints of the original ec comics, which are also grand. but, yeah, MAD's about the only thing in my life that i'm still a rockist about - when they went glossly and started accepting ads, i felt cheated. haven't read an issue for quite a while and it's been years since i stopped my subscription (but the thing is so permanent a feature in my subsconscious that just last night i had a dream about buying a copy). i suppose the movie parodies are still alright, but everything else seems to have suffered. 'monroe' is very unfunny and terribly drawn. too many articles about WWE and nascar (though to accuse MAD of 'pandering' seems wrongheaded when they've always dealt in lowest-common-denominator popculture humour, maybe i AM getting too old). still a lot of quality artwork, though (big ups to herman mejia!). but however sore i feel about the whole shebang now, the mag was the most formative of influences on yours truly, for better or worse.

m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 09:30 (nineteen years ago) link

four years pass...

some lovely pre-mad paul coker illustrations posted here:

http://allthingsger.blogspot.com/2008/10/bay-of-gigs-monday-cartoon-day.html

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 21:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Nice, I've heard about Help! but seen little from it.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 22:45 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

John Landis working on a biopic of Bill Gaines.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 May 2010 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Every time I need to feel better in an implacable way I always check out his bio, The Mad World of William M. Gaines, from the library. I find it so inspiring. Him & Roald Dahl were wine buddies!

William Gaines favorite movie was "Inherit the Wind." He said he could relate to it.

one year passes...

Mentioned on the rolling obit thread but RIP John Severin:

http://www.comicsbeat.com/2012/02/14/rip-john-severin/

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

Aww. Dude was an awesome draftsman and always game for anything. And he'd been doing it forever! I was always surprised in recent years when I saw new stuff of his. These guys who practically die at their drawing boards are such an inspiration to find something you love doing until the day you bow out.

SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link

I thought he was immortal. spent 60+ years working in comics.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:09 (twelve years ago) link

Some Severin greatness here:

http://www.ha.com/common/search_results.php?Nty=1&Ntk=SI_Titles&Ne=1058&N=790+231+1067&Ntt=john+severin

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link

This is a great interview from '99. Nice to see Comics Journal post it, if only because it means I don't have to dig out those issues.

http://www.tcj.com/the-john-severin-interview-parts-i-ii/

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:41 (twelve years ago) link

eleven months pass...

http://mobile.avclub.com/articles/get-involved-internet-help-bring-the-story-of-mad,91785/?mobile=true

An important Kickstarter!

Director Alan Bernstein hopes to change that with When We Went Mad! A Documentary Of Ecch-ic Proportions, a film chronicling the magazine’s development through the decades. But he needs your help! Bernstein is looking to raise $50,000 on Kickstarter to complete his film, and is a little over halfway past his goal, with nine days remaining. Considering the magazine’s impact and legacy, it’s shocking that a film like this doesn’t already exist, but you now have an opportunity to help correct that oversight.

The New Jack Mormons! (kingfish), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 19:38 (eleven years ago) link

I can still recall the first time I read a Mad Magazine. It was in Reno, NV, on a summer vacation car trip with my parents in 1964. A few moths later I discovered some paperbacks that reprinted the first several years of Mad from the mid-fifties. I still think that Mad's golden age was before my time, as captured in those paperbacks. Every panel was crammed with background visual jokes.

Aimless, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago) link

does everything need a fucken documentary now?

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 19:49 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

everything that's exploitable from boomer era, yes WGW

Grady Hendrix on the movie parodies:

http://filmcomment.com/article/mad-magazine-movie-parodies

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 March 2013 15:20 (eleven years ago) link

shall be going to see this when i'm in NYC:

http://www.societyillustrators.org/The-Museum/2013/Harvey-Kurtzman/The-Art-of-Harvey-Kurtzman.aspx

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 14 March 2013 15:23 (eleven years ago) link

Nice article

The New Jack Mormons! (kingfish), Thursday, 14 March 2013 18:33 (eleven years ago) link

yeah great piece. last paragraph is extra lols

The magazine once received a letter from Lucasfilm’s legal department after their Empire Strikes Back parody, demanding that they recall all printed copies of the issue and destroy them. MAD replied by sending a copy of another letter they had received the previous month—from George Lucas, offering to buy the original artwork for the Empire parody and comparing Mort Drucker to Leonardo Da Vinci and the parody’s writer, Dick De Bartolo, to Mark Twain. They never heard from Lucasfilm’s legal department again.

his girlfriend was all 'ugh and he wears a solar backpack' (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 March 2013 19:56 (eleven years ago) link

so, MAD gets lots of love.

for a reason i can no longer recall when young, i used to get CRACKED on a regular basis - which being UK based is really weird.

my mountain of CRACKED mags has long since gone missing .. which i often regret dearly.

should i waste time/money/energy on this regret, or, would i take one look at an old copy and realise the errors of my ways ..

mark e, Thursday, 14 March 2013 20:46 (eleven years ago) link

CRACKED had gd distribution in the UK for years, for some reason

CRACKED also managed to secure former MAD/EC artist John Severin and, near the end of his life, Don Martin - but on the whole their contributors were def second (or third) division compared to the likes of Mort Drucker

so mark e i wld say that it's prob best not to spoil a happy childhood memory (also, I suspect that back issues these days are not that cheap - don't see them that often in the UK)

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 14 March 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago) link

yeah .. i know that stuff is ££ now - hence my concern re tracking some old copies down.
weirdly i did wonder re don martin ..
i thought i had seen his stuff in CRACKED but given previous posts re him and MAD etc, thought this was a false memory ..
used to have some DM books as well.
he was such a massive talent ..

mark e, Thursday, 14 March 2013 21:04 (eleven years ago) link

for some reason I thought CRACKED grab Sergio Aragones at one point too

his girlfriend was all 'ugh and he wears a solar backpack' (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 March 2013 21:05 (eleven years ago) link

but yeah they were always 2nd-tier

his girlfriend was all 'ugh and he wears a solar backpack' (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 March 2013 21:05 (eleven years ago) link

us brits always love the underdog ..

mark e, Thursday, 14 March 2013 21:10 (eleven years ago) link

p sure aragones never worked for CRACKED

mark, if you like don martin it's worth hunting round for this MASSIVE complete box set of all his MAD magazine work (doesn't include the original paperback material as that's still owned by the Martin estate) - i picked up my copy in a London remainder shop for well under £30 (and then had to lug it all the way back to glasgow!), and i'm sure there are copies to be had online - it's a stunner

http://www.comicsbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/don.jpg

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 14 March 2013 21:12 (eleven years ago) link

ah yeah a friend has that. it's amazing to thumb through.

his girlfriend was all 'ugh and he wears a solar backpack' (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 March 2013 21:14 (eleven years ago) link

I got a remainder from The Strand, and they shipped it to my house for whatever their flat fee is - $4.50 or something. It's amazing.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 14 March 2013 21:16 (eleven years ago) link

oh my god.
that looks properly fantastic ..
f*ck ..
i want that.

mark e, Thursday, 14 March 2013 21:16 (eleven years ago) link

£125 on amazon ..

dream on ..

mark e, Thursday, 14 March 2013 21:17 (eleven years ago) link

unless his recent illness has slowed him down, Aragones has only missed one issue of Mad in forty years - of course he's fast enough to have had a falling out, done a year's worth of work for Cracked in an afternoon and then gone back to Mad, but I doubt it

( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Thursday, 14 March 2013 21:22 (eleven years ago) link

I'm probably just misremembering when they got Don Martin, thought there were some other MAD guys that went with him for some reason

his girlfriend was all 'ugh and he wears a solar backpack' (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 March 2013 21:29 (eleven years ago) link

no, that was a big and solo deal - iirc Cracked didn't generally grant copyright but they made the exception to snag Martin. and only because he'd already walked from Mad over royalties - it wasn't a headhunting per se.

( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Thursday, 14 March 2013 21:49 (eleven years ago) link

(actually if Mort Todd was still editor then he might have relaxed copyright policies generally - I think he and Clowes own The Uggly Family)

( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Thursday, 14 March 2013 21:52 (eleven years ago) link

but they made the exception to snag Martin.

fascinating stuff ..

this is proper 'mad men' styled politics but with fat noses as opposed to ... well, you figure the rest out ..

mark e, Thursday, 14 March 2013 21:54 (eleven years ago) link

Film Comment on Mad's movie parodies:

http://filmcomment.com/article/mad-magazine-movie-parodies

clemenza, Saturday, 23 March 2013 21:48 (eleven years ago) link

r.i.p. bob clarke:

http://www.newsfromme.com/2013/04/01/bob-clarke-r-i-p/

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 18:35 (eleven years ago) link

five months pass...

This has to be one of the most trenchant and cutting(and clever) political gags(on the cover, even) they've done in, what, decades?

https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1236155_10151609688931596_802093778_n.jpg

Your Own Personal El Guapo (kingfish), Monday, 16 September 2013 07:20 (ten years ago) link

It was on a deep dive into Match Game during the pandemic that I discovered that Dick DeBartolo is gay and married! The news thrilled me more than I thought it would.

Max Hamburgers (Eric H.), Monday, 14 March 2022 13:46 (two years ago) link

s quints to see what phrase would say if I folded it

I can tell you if you pay me

bcz


A FEE IS 11

beepy fridges (sic), Monday, 14 March 2022 15:41 (two years ago) link

I'm getting these issues now by the way and they're great. The last one was themed around dogs and pets. I'm pretty sure the fold-ins are new. They're not by Jaffee but they're terrific.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 14 March 2022 15:53 (two years ago) link

There should be a collected omnibus of fold-ins that miraculously don't cause the page to deteriorate when you fold them. The fold-ins ruined all my old MADs as a kid.

My 7yo daughter has spent the pandemic era getting more and more obsessed with Beano. Kind of wish MAD was still an ongoing thing like it was in the 80s when I read it, as I think it'd be the perfect next step in her comics voyage, and would generally fit her level of cynicism.

politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Monday, 14 March 2022 16:09 (two years ago) link

It's a shame, because the short-lived 'new' Mad was actually p good.

Still, there's always Viz *s

Ward Fowler, Monday, 14 March 2022 16:14 (two years ago) link

God, she'd love Viz. Not for a couple more years though!

politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Monday, 14 March 2022 18:29 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

https://i.imgur.com/CPSBCN9.jpg

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 28 April 2022 10:46 (one year ago) link

Not directly Al's work but

The regular backpage ad from Sundazed for the latest issue of Ugly Things is a proper Al Jaffee fold-in salute. Little surprise as to what it folds into. pic.twitter.com/UB4EmZQN1Y

— Ned Raggett (@NedRaggett) April 28, 2022

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 April 2022 16:27 (one year ago) link

To me, hinged feet are the apex of visual comedy.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 28 April 2022 16:34 (one year ago) link

Who did the Rogan one (and can we see it pre-fold)?

beepy fridges (sic), Thursday, 28 April 2022 17:39 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Sorry sic I failed to capture it before my children lost it somewhere.

The latest edition is A MAD LOOK AT GREED and it is excellent. Honestly I have such a blast reading these. No ads. Just like the old days. The pages are slightly slicker. There are no Don Martin comics sadly, I guess he must have retained republishing rights.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 June 2022 21:30 (one year ago) link

I should emphasise there are no original pieces in these editions apart from the fold-in and the cover.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 June 2022 21:42 (one year ago) link

I don't know if his children managed to negotiate rights away from AT&T in the last few years somehow, but as semi-discussed upthread, not having any republishing rights was the reason he quit 35 years ago

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Friday, 17 June 2022 06:19 (one year ago) link

I think Martin (and other Mad artists) retained some rights to the original paperback books they produced for Mad (or Warner Bros books), but not on the strips that appeared in the magazine itself.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 17 June 2022 07:11 (one year ago) link

in that case i don’t get it. I haven’t seen any Martin strips in the three issues I’ve gotten so far. Maybe just coincidence but he’s such a fan favourite.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 17 June 2022 07:58 (one year ago) link

Did he do strips about greed? Also remember that most of those fans are dead, and the living ones have no way of knowing that 2pp of his work from 50 years ago is in a magazine they don't know where to buy

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Saturday, 18 June 2022 06:17 (one year ago) link

harsh! I mean you could say that about everything in these current issues. And you’d probably be right. But if they’re making them they might as well get Martin in there imo.

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 18 June 2022 08:18 (one year ago) link

is there anything else in the issues being sold on the fan favourite status of its illustrator, rather than the topic, tho



(I haven't seen them and I don't know if there are Martin strips about greed and I strongly agree in principle that Martin strips would likely be a good thing to have in themed grab-bag Mad compilations if they fit the theme. BUT)

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Saturday, 18 June 2022 08:23 (one year ago) link

I still recall how epochal a moment it was when Martin jumped ship for Cracked (thankfully at a time when I was regularly buying both, like any proper preadolescent of that era).

sic presumably the only people buying these are the nostalgic superfans like me so your suggestion that “fan favourite” artists would be of no account to the compilers is a strange one by my lights

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 18 June 2022 16:21 (one year ago) link

Newsstand distribution is an insanely inefficient way of reaching superfans in 2022!

(who are not yet dead but tbf old enough to have forgotten that they bought the three-volume HC box set of their favourite artist in 2007)

Almost by definition it is only able to reach casual fans at best — how would a superfan even know what was being released, let alone where to find it? — and theming the collections on subject seems designed specifically to appeal to a general audience on top of nostalgists.

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Saturday, 18 June 2022 17:05 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

70th anniversary issue is out now, with much more new material than usual, including a COVID-19 gag from Sergio Aragones! Nice letter from Jordan Peele about the fake Mad cover they mocked up for Nope, and a nice letter from Weird Al about his favorite ever Al Jaffee gag. Also: a DOUBLE fold-in!

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 23 October 2022 15:36 (one year ago) link

Yeah, really nice issue with a good balance between old and new stuff, although should've been more Kurtzman Kontent. In a way it would be a good one to go out on (I think this is the last time Kuper is going to be doing new Spy v Spy material?)

Ward Fowler, Sunday, 23 October 2022 16:29 (one year ago) link

i would like to see sergio get a National Arts Medal

four months pass...

Happy 102nd Birthday, Al Jaffee!

Ward Fowler, Monday, 13 March 2023 15:35 (one year ago) link

Fold-in reveals he's only 12.

dinnerboat, Monday, 13 March 2023 18:30 (one year ago) link

loll

Tracer Hand, Monday, 13 March 2023 18:43 (one year ago) link

vg+

Mark G, Monday, 13 March 2023 18:53 (one year ago) link

Haha

Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 March 2023 19:40 (one year ago) link

four weeks pass...

:(

I'm very sad to report that the great Al Jaffee has died. He had celebrated his 102nd birthday just last month. An incredible legend. RIP to a giant of cartooning. pic.twitter.com/FzZk7wGebd

— Tom Heintjes (@Hoganmag) April 10, 2023

global tetrahedron, Monday, 10 April 2023 20:45 (one year ago) link

Hero.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 April 2023 21:07 (one year ago) link

And as noted on the obit thread, what a perfect followup comment to that tweet:

I will fold his obituary into thirds to reveal a totaly different, and mildly offensive, obituary.

— MP (@DefaultComics) April 10, 2023

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 April 2023 21:07 (one year ago) link

And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 10 April 2023 22:30 (one year ago) link

Angles, surely.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 April 2023 22:44 (one year ago) link

God better not have any stupid questions.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 10 April 2023 23:02 (one year ago) link

Snappy Answers To St Peter's Questions

least said, sergio mendes (sic), Tuesday, 11 April 2023 00:48 (one year ago) link

^ already txted to an ilx0r so count it as an xp if you like

least said, sergio mendes (sic), Tuesday, 11 April 2023 00:49 (one year ago) link


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