Joanna Newsom - Have One On Me (RIP blogs)

This looks like a blog a lot of you would enjoy: http://indierawk.tumblr.com

still the greatest triple-album i've never heard.

Still the grating-ist triple-album I've never heard.

And this didn't take long to turn into a full-on Joanna hatefest. ILM is so finicky.

as soon as its something a Questionable Content fan would like, we turn instantly

I was just surprised how quickly this went from a lovefest to rabid hatred.

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god help us if faye starts rocking a the-dream shirt

Should I be happy that I don't know who Faye is? (Although I'm guessing it's someone on Questionable Content, which I think I've read three times.)

And this didn't take long to turn into a full-on Joanna hatefest. ILM is so finicky.

― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0)

It's been a "hatefest" since I started the thread. There's a small group of us who like her music here, but beyond that, it's all unicorns and Ren faire zings.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2q06etf.jpg

I don't know, a lot of the Ren Faire zings came from people who were at least semi into her, or into her older stuff (J0hn D.).

I think J0hn might've been the only one who was "semi into her," but even he hasn't liked her since Milk-Eyed Mender.

Whatever. My point being tons of ilxors loved Ys, but now it she seems to be a lot more universally hated around here.

i was a huge Joanna stan circa Milk-Eyed Mender (it was even on my Pazz And Jop ballot). But she completely fell-off with me with Ys and this record. I think Joanna is someone that really could really do a lot of weird magic with the traditional V-C-V song structure, and feel that her "compositional" affectations on the last two records are really playing out of her league as a songwriter.

Milk-Eyed Mender had some dope rhymes on it too, which is also long gone. I always figured her as a big rap fan when that album came out. Spoke right to me.

It's another case of someone who has built a history and a fanbase on really good V-C-V songs positioning themselves as "important avant-garde genius" and rock critics/impressionable corny indiefuxxors who have no concept of real avant-garde music buying it hook/line/sinker (see also Kid A, the last two Mars Volta albums)

xxp basically this

whiney

i was with you on your first two posts but you dont do yourself any favors by suddenly claiming this is some kind of false consciousness thing

Some also really like the music because they like it.

Well treat them, as two separate thoughts, i'm rambling here

i mean like i said above i think the lyrics on the most recent one arent nearly as good as MEM or Ys lyrics. & i disagree but i can see the argument that her strengths lie in traditional forms and not in long 'compositional' arrangement (tho fwiw theres a lot of V-C-V on the most recent one, the songs are just so long maybe you dont notice?). but accusing "impressionable corny indiefuxxors" of having the wool pulled over the yes b.c they... dont know as much about "real avant-garde music" as you is... well, dude, its not an argument

Seriously this why I get so frustrated with you Whiney. I mean you start out with some really valid points and then completely undermine yourself with some questionable bullshit.

xxp basically this

― caek, Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:17 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha, this was originally me saying which two sentences out of ten i thought were truth bombs and which were nonsense, but i decided to keep it pos.

ok, i'll take back last thought since it's derailing the argument

It's another case of someone who has built a history and a fanbase on really good V-C-V songs positioning themselves as "important avant-garde genius" and rock critics/impressionable corny indiefuxxors who have no concept of real avant-garde music buying it hook/line/sinker (see also Kid A, the last two Mars Volta albums)

― zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), domingo 28 de febrero de 2010 07:15 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

LOL @ this absurdity

ok, i'll take back last thought since it's derailing the argument

― zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:24 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I know. I can read. It's still hilarious tbh.

Nave to say, I am curious about what Whiney considers "real avant-garde."

Haha exactly

Nave to say, I am curious about what Whiney considers "real avant-garde."

the point being "not joanna newsom," unless you and turanga want to make the even more hilarious argument that this joanna album currently streaming on NPR is true american avantgarde then be my guest.

I don't really think Joanna Newsom is avant-garde at all, but I still really like her music. That being said, I do think some people think her music is much more experimental than it is, and yeah, it's easy to make fun of that.

No one in this thread ever claimed she is or was "avant-garde".

no one said it refered to anyone on this thread.

also

ok, i'll take back last thought since it's derailing the argument

― zvocksucker (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:24 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

No one in this thread ever claimed she is or was "avant-garde".

― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0)

What Whiney said: "no one said it refered to anyone on this thread."

"Although Joanna Newsom's Appalachian-meets-avant-garde take on folk music is her most celebrated work"
"Her songwriting incorporates elements of Appalachian music, and avant-garde modernism."
"Newsom's avant-garde meets harp meets alt folk meets art pop"
"Some say she’s just a unicorn-loving, harp-plucking faerie and others say the singer / songwriter / harpist is an avant-garde leader of the neo-folk scene."

http://www.google.com/search?q=";Joanna+Newsom"+avant-garde

I'm so confused. Now kshighway is actually defending Whiney's argument by pulling random google quotes.

My point was that it was ridiculous for Whiney to even bring up the "avant-garde" argument in the first place, no matter how much backpedaling he wants to do now.

No, no. I strongly dislike the new album. And as much as I love Ys, I don't think that is "avant-garde" and don't *need* to.

Releasing unfortunately overhyped albums of slightly less traditional songs =/= postulating yourself as Super Musical Genius whose fans can only possibly enjoy the music on those terms.

I don't really think Joanna Newsom is avant-garde at all, but I still really like her music. That being said, I do think some people think her music is much more experimental than it is, and yeah, it's easy to make fun of that.

― ksh, Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:37 PM

Was just pulling quotes from Google to demonstrate that some people consider her music avant-garde. I was not supporting Whiney's assertion upthread, which he has already abandoned three or four times now.

Also it's so weird to me how a lot of people hold MeM as the standard, as I think it's mostly a big pile of shit.

I don't think it's a "pile of shit," but I definitely think it looks slight next to Ys.

MeM is so good. I dunno. To me Milk-Eyed Mender always felt like when someone gets the right balance between traditional rock and out-weirdo elements. Like Sonic Youth's EVOL or Faith No More's Angel Dust. Ys and HOOM just seem like trying to hard to be a serious artist, yknow?

I think there's like, three good songs in that album and some of the others might be okayish but to me they're either unlistenable (e.g., cannot withstand one listen of studio "Peach, Plum, & Pear") or just... not that interesting.

I genuinely think she re-wrote much of Ys *around* VDP's arrangements and not the other way around and don't think I'd like those songs half as much without the additional harmonies & counterpoint.

xp i dont really hear that at all tbh

Ys and HOOM just seem like trying to hard to be a serious artist, yknow?

Yeah, she shouldn't try to do this.

Joanna Newsome Hamburgers Olympics

MeM is so good. I dunno. To me Milk-Eyed Mender always felt like when someone gets the right balance between traditional rock and out-weirdo elements. Like Sonic Youth's EVOL or Faith No More's Angel Dust. Ys and HOOM just seem like trying to hard to be a serious artist, yknow?

always weird to me when Whiney & me see almost completely eye-to-eye on something

at the same time, I really think it's awesome that she seems eager to challenge herself to grow, that it's a big part of who she is as an artist. but I am a keep-the-song-short kinda dude as is known. epic metal bands get a pass but generally speaking I'm more interested in compressed narratives/pieces, which MeM excelled in imo

i mean the "weird band grows increasingly more accessible" thing is VERY well-worn and familiar in indie music (Sonic Youth, White Zombie, Husker Du, Butthole Surfers, Jesus Lizard, Animal Collective, Deerhoof)

but the "popular artist growing increasingly stranger" is a little more rare and way harder to pull off

like joanna, i think Mastodon is another band who used to be great with simple weirdo-rock and are now just look silly trying to be a serious, art-prog band.

jeez u zvuck one cock and suddenly fools are mad reachin in their new dn