(TOP 5 TODAY, MOFOS!) Yo P&J, I'm really happy for you, Imma let you finish, but ILX had the greatest 2009 poll of all time! All time! (2009 ILX Albums Poll Results)

ugh sorry, just saw the ballot thread.

i did the vast majority of my listening to tonetta/autotune/thru-you on my ipod; if you can explain to me how voting for a youtube channel is drastically different than voting for a mixtape, i'd be curious to hear.

i would vote for a mixtape that was assembled by/with the artist and features primarily new material -- i wouldn't vote for a mixtape that some DJ or kid with a CD burner threw together to collect a bunch of singles and loose tracks, which to me is the analog to the youtube thing. i'd roll my eyes the same way if anyone tried to vote for "Gucci Mane output for 2009," but then there he actually had proper albums and album-style mixtapes to vote for. i think i'd be far more interested in seeing a poll (or individual's list) of best youtube stuff of a given year than it being shoehorned into a list about a completely different medium, is all. but i agree with jordan that obviously you CAN vote for that kind of thing and it's cool that you have a good attitude about being zinged or questioned about it.

i mean i voted for the Freeway 'Month of Madness' thing, which is basically just a collection of tracks released on a website, but Free released those songs as part of a particular project in a particular order and (i think) approved of the mixtape compilation himself, so that's a gray area but ultimately to me feels more like an album than not.

pretty much agree w/al here, though i think those youtube channels were created by the artists in question? imo they're as valid as any other, i just think it's funny that forks voted for three of them.

in an albums poll how well the artist has put together a collection of songs that works as a collection, be it mixtape or album or youtube channel, is def an important (though not the only) factor to consider for me.

in an albums poll how well the artist has put together a collection of songs that works as a collection, be it mixtape or album or youtube channel, is def an important (though not the only) factor to consider for me.

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:20 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah this is true

also, as an outsider, i would actually follow & check out a youtube-only music poll, as long as it wasn't shit like "chocolate rain"-type meme bait -- that youtube single that forks picked for the jukebox redemption week was truly great

Micachu and the Shapes - Jewellery -- 85 points, 6 votes
Tonetta777 - YouTube output for 2009 -- 84.5 points, 8 votes

oh for fuck's sake

I'm just annoyed you're statistically more of an obscurantist than me, LJ. That's what I get for loving DProj and AnCo, I suppose.

I'm so totally alternative, you MAINSTREAM SQUARE

but I would have voted for the winner if I'd heard it in time so maybe not

i'm a little agog at how much ilx/singles jukebox is influencing my music taste this year

forks- I was just saying the same thing to Alex in Montreal yesterday, so it makes sense that our ballots matched up.

Didn't vote for any Youtube channels though. :)

I'm a centricity outlier on both this and the metal poll. Not too surprised. Only two on my ballot made the top 50 - Death and The Mountain Goats.

My ballot:

Yob - The Great Cessation
Mountain Goats, The - The Life Of The World To Come
Willie Nelson & Asleep At The Wheel - Willie And The Wheel
Bloody Panda - Summon
Madder Mortem - Eight Ways
Joe Henry - Blood From Stars
Ancestors - Of Sound Mind
Gay Witch Abortion - Maverick
Robyn Hitchcock & The Venus 3 - Goodnight Oslo
Wardruna - Runaljod-Gap Var Ginnunga
Mayyors - Deads
Sula Bassana - The Night
Bob Dylan - Christmas in the Heart
Disappearer - The Clearing
Zu - Carboniferous
Hacride - Lazarus
Slough Feg - Ape Uprising
Teeth Of The Sea - Orphaned By The Ocean
Cornershop - Judy Sucks a Lemon for Breakfast
Death - …For the Whole World to See

"i would vote for a mixtape that was assembled by/with the artist and features primarily new material -- i wouldn't vote for a mixtape that some DJ or kid with a CD burner threw together to collect a bunch of singles and loose tracks, which to me is the analog to the youtube thing."

okay; without being a dick about it, this betrays a distinct lack of familiarity for the stuff that I voted for.

autotune the news released nine numbered singles on youtube (along with a bunch of other work by the same guy that, while generally excellent doesn't fit into the rubric) that had cohesive thematic and melodic elements that joined the work together (along with a weak intro track and a light outro). Tonetta's absolute flood of material was regularly shut down, pulled from the web and never really self-archived, but it smells to me like a single thought is absolutely running through all his songs... as well as a single drum mix. as for Thru-You, I think I've flogged this piece enough (especially as it's really just a link-heavy rewrite of my singles review), but I talk at length about what makes it special to mein this article; if x=tl;dr: Thru-You was released as a seven track EP on his own site and while it consists of artfully diced youtubes, it doesn't really count as a "youtube collection".

I'm going to assume that loving a video game soundtrack doesn't require qualifiers? Or no? Happy to talk about that too.

I'm pretty shocked Tonetta didn't make it, though, to be honest the dude kind of has an advantage with the youtube format in that I voted for his output as "album" of the year when he's had years to write all those great songs and make all the great videos, this is just when the collection finally made it to the outside world. It's like if Death had released a box set coming out of obscurity. "Drugs, Drugs, Drugs" is still song of the year for me, though.

^^ had that in the top five on my songs list before I realized it wasn't nominated.

Glory Day is my favourite Tonetta

along with $VIRAL$

space jam ost

wow tbh i thought autogoon cru + R&B cru was a more ... marginal group on ilx than theyve apparently become

wanna continue to stan for autotune the news as legitimately exciting music; here's one of my fave excerpts that covers justice sotomayor's nomination
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OU9XRATV

"i would vote for a mixtape that was assembled by/with the artist and features primarily new material -- i wouldn't vote for a mixtape that some DJ or kid with a CD burner threw together to collect a bunch of singles and loose tracks, which to me is the analog to the youtube thing."

okay; without being a dick about it, this betrays a distinct lack of familiarity for the stuff that I voted for.

autotune the news released nine numbered singles on youtube (along with a bunch of other work by the same guy that, while generally excellent doesn't fit into the rubric) that had cohesive thematic and melodic elements that joined the work together (along with a weak intro track and a light outro). Tonetta's absolute flood of material was regularly shut down, pulled from the web and never really self-archived, but it smells to me like a single thought is absolutely running through all his songs... as well as a single drum mix. as for Thru-You, I think I've flogged this piece enough (especially as it's really just a link-heavy rewrite of my singles review), but I talk at length about what makes it special to mein this article; if x=tl;dr: Thru-You was released as a seven track EP on his own site and while it consists of artfully diced youtubes, it doesn't really count as a "youtube collection".

I'm going to assume that loving a video game soundtrack doesn't require qualifiers? Or no? Happy to talk about that too.

― forksclovetofu, Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:50 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah i'll confess to a lack of familiarity -- i rolled my damn eyes at the first autotune the news thing i saw and avoided it ever since. again i don't understand how a group of singles, 'numbered' or otherwise, constitutes an album -- obviously asking something to be mass-produced on CD to count is a little too old-fashioned, but if at the very least they'd put it out as a zip file somewhere I'd understand it more. the Lonely Island album was on my year end list (though not my ilx ballot), but I never would've thought to put 'SNL digital shorts 2008' or something on a list for a previous year. countless worthwhile artists have been releasing large amounts of good songs in non-album formats throughout the history of recorded music, and I don't really see the point of shoehorning just about any of those into album lists, be it YouTube or whatever. not trying to be a dick, I've just never been a fan of the "an album's whatever i say it is" school of thought.

Full enthuasiam list (5+ votes):

16.27 Electrik Red - How to Be a Lady Vol. 1
16.00 Fall Out Boy - Folie a Deux
15.84 The-Dream - Love vs. Money
15.37 Taylor Swift - Fearless
14.82 Future Of The Left - Travels With Myself And Another
14.50 Bill Callahan - Sometimes I Wish We Were An Eagle
14.47 Fever Ray - Fever Ray
14.43 NOMO - Invisible Cities
14.21 DJ Sprinkles - Midtown 120 Blues
14.21 Mastodon - Crack the Skye
14.17 Micachu and the Shapes - Jewellery
14.00 Mariah Carey - Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel
13.92 St. Vincent - Actor
13.60 Lily Allen - It's Not Me, It's You
13.18 The xx - xx
13.09 DJ Quik and Kurupt - Blaqkout
13.06 El Perro Del Mar - Love Is Not Pop
13.04 Phoenix - Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix
12.98 Lindstrom & Prins Thomas - II
12.89 Animal Collective - Merriweather Post Pavilion
12.89 Röyksopp - Junior
12.85 Mungolian Jet Set - We Gave it All Away...Now We Are Taking It Back
12.78 Miranda Lambert - Revolution
12.63 Dirty Projectors - Bitte Orca
12.60 K'naan - Troubadour
12.50 Broadcast & The Focus Group - ...Investigate Witch Cults Of The Radio Age
12.47 Sunn 0))) - Monoliths And Dimensions
12.30 Omar-S - Fabric 45: Detroit
12.13 The Flaming Lips - Embryonic
12.13 Death - ...For the Whole World To See
12.07 Bat For Lashes - Two Suns
12.00 Bob Dylan - Together Through Life
12.00 Jim O'Rourke - The Visitor
11.71 Moritz von Oswald Trio - Vertical Ascent
11.67 Washed Out - Life Of Leisure
11.66 JJ – jj n° 2
11.66 Meanderthals - Desire Lines
11.64 Florence and the Machine - Lungs
11.64 Major Lazer - Guns Don't Kill People...Lazers Do
11.63 Camera Obscura - My Maudlin Career
11.60 Mayyors - Deads
11.58 Black Meteoric Star - Black Meteoric Star
11.58 Wild Beasts - Two Dancers
11.50 Junior Boys - Begone Dull Care
11.50 Julian Casablancas - Phrazes For The Young
11.47 Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx II
11.42 Emeralds - What Happened
11.37 The Yeah Yeah Yeahs - It's Blitz!
11.18 Maxwell - BLACKsummers'night
11.17 Oneohtrix Point Never - Rifts
11.15 Lady Gaga - The Fame Monster
11.05 The Mountain Goats - The Life Of The World To Come
11.04 Fuck Buttons - Tarot Sport
10.91 The Juan Maclean - The Future Will Come
10.89 Henrik Schwarz, Âme and Dixon - The Grandfather Paradox
10.75 Moderat - Moderat
10.62 Dâm-Funk - Toeachizown
10.57 Ben Frost - By the Throat
10.57 Tonetta777 - YouTube output for 2009
10.38 Shackleton - Three EPs
10.33 Converge - Axe to Fall
10.33 Japandroids - Post-Nothing
10.17 Telefon Tel Aviv - Immolate Yourself
10.00 Pains of Being Pure at Heart, The - The Pains of Being Pure at Heart
9.94 Gucci Mane - Burrprint 3D
9.85 Grizzly Bear - Veckatimest
9.68 Horrors - Primary Colours
9.67 Super Furry Animals - Dark Days/Light Years
9.67 The Very Best - Warm Heart Of Africa
9.65 UGK - UGK 4 Life
9.58 Cortney Tidwell - Boys
9.53 Rihanna - Rated R
9.50 Tim Hecker - An Imaginary Country
9.33 Mos Def - The Ecstatic
9.20 Girls - Album
9.20 Fontän - Wintherhwila
9.20 Lady Gaga - The Fame
9.06 Memory Tapes - Seek Magic
8.93 Telepathe - Dance Mother
8.92 Neko Case - Middle Cyclone
8.81 Ciara - Fantasy Ride
8.63 Nite Jewel - Good Evening
8.60 DOOM - Born Like This
8.60 Omar Souleyman - Dabke 2020: Folk And Pop Sounds Of Syria
8.40 OOIOO - Armonico Hewa
8.36 Baroness - Blue Record
8.30 Kings of Convenience - Declaration of Dependence
8.27 Matias Aguayo - Ay Ay Ay
7.83 Jon Hassell - Last Night the Moon Cam Dropping Its Clothes in the Street
7.83 Redshape - The Dance Paradox
7.80 Various - Five Years of Hyperdub
7.70 Jeremih - Jeremih
7.67 White Denim - Fits
7.36 Gucci Mane - The State Vs. Radric Davis
7.29 The Field - Yesterday and Today
7.21 Annie - Don't Stop
7.14 Zu - Carboniferous
6.80 Dominique Leone - Abstract Expression
6.60 Dinosaur Jr. - Farm
6.20 Ryan Leslie - Ryan Leslie
5.89 Sonic Youth - The Eternal
5.00 Yo La Tengo - Popular Songs

btw I like the "Two Dots" song posted upthread

al, my enthusiasm for the material makes the question of "is this an album or not?" moot to me in the same way that the freeway stuff gets a pass from you. in my mind, listing a collection of autotune stuff is VERY much like listing a mixtape or a demo; it's a low cost alternative to going out and finding a deal that still allows you to get your story told.

the lonely island guys have been doing online shit for forever and if snl hadn't picked up dude, that album almost certainly WOULD have been released as a serious of youtubes! t-pain shows up in both LI and autotune's videos only the autotune guys can't afford a boat.

i understand your gut response, but it comes off a little like "it's okay if i like the material but pretentious if i don't"

I guess I don't see the point to being pedantic about whatever an "album" is or why it even matters that we have to keep Best of the Year collections to whatever that definition is. What's the benefit? I'm not sure why we have to be so rigid about coloring within the lines when they're our lines in the first place.

wow tbh i thought autogoon cru + R&B cru was a more ... marginal group on ilx than theyve apparently become

― average dump from average gangsters (deej), Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:27 PM (3 hours ago)

who tf r the r&b crew

al, my enthusiasm for the material makes the question of "is this an album or not?" moot to me in the same way that the freeway stuff gets a pass from you. in my mind, listing a collection of autotune stuff is VERY much like listing a mixtape or a demo; it's a low cost alternative to going out and finding a deal that still allows you to get your story told.

the lonely island guys have been doing online shit for forever and if snl hadn't picked up dude, that album almost certainly WOULD have been released as a serious of youtubes! t-pain shows up in both LI and autotune's videos only the autotune guys can't afford a boat.

i understand your gut response, but it comes off a little like "it's okay if i like the material but pretentious if i don't"

― forksclovetofu, Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:27 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I wasn't making loopholes or exceptions for the stuff I like, I was explaining why I listed them (i.e. if Lonely Island never got signed to a major label and just put their stuff on web videos, or if Freeway's website series never got compiled as an official mixtape, they wouldn't have been on my year-end list, they'd just be songs I liked and wrote about/endorsed elsewhere).

plus the whole thing of taking a medium that is like 50% visual and putting in the context of a bunch of strictly audio recordings is a big can of worms for me. i realize this is totally OCD or worse to really these kinds of "the line must be drawn HERE!" standards about it, but that's just how i feel.

nxt yr i am voting for my holiday photos

i can diggit if it's where you're at.
truth be told i rely very little on youtube for visuals in music; it's more commonly a listening thing

<3 the other 4 of you who voted for mayyors, whoever you are

Me! Love that thing.

Me too!! Did you hear that Woodhouse joined the Intelligence?? Dream matchup imo.

Lusine - A Certain Distance -- 3 points, 1 votes

i could have sworn i ended up leaving this off my ballot at #21, does that mean someone else here has actually heard it ??

oh just saw 'two dots' posted upthread. great track.

I think it was me who voted for it...

Finally caught up with this thread. Should check out more of these albums (but I'll work through the metal list first). My ordered ballot IIRC:

Nels Cline - Coward
NOMO - Invisible Cities
Vijay Iyer Trio - Historicity
John Zorn - Filmworks XXIII: El General
Mew - No More Stories / Are Told Today / I'm Sorry / They Washed Away // No More Stories / The World Is Grey / I'm Tired / Let's Wash Away
Bad Plus (Joined by Wendy Lewis), The - For All I Care
Ekkehard Ehlers & Paul Wirkus – Ballads
Bell Orchestre - As Seen Through Windows
Animal Collective - Merriweather Post Pavilion
John Zorn - O'o
Jim O'Rourke - The Visitor
Gary Burton, Pat Metheny, Steve Swallow & Antonio Sanchez - Quartet Live!
Bibio - Ambivalence Avenue
Evan Parker Electro-Acoustic Ensemble - The Moment's Energy
Isis - Wavering Radiant
Clark - Totems Flare
Prefuse 73 - Everything She Touched Turned Ampexian
Krallice - Dimensional Bleedthrough
Dirty Projectors, The - Bitte Orca
Zombi - Spirit Animal

Nels Cline - Coward

Kept meaning to hear that!

Clark - Totems Flare

Damn I forgot about that - really good imo.