I HATE APPLE

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I *still* use my Pismo Powerbook for e-mail and playing out live. When it does die I'll be very upset, as it's the best computer I've ever owned. Never given me a problem. Can't say the same for a few friends whose iBooks and TiPowerbooks have become fairly worthless in less time than I've owned my PBook.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 06:14 (nineteen years ago) link

i dunno, my 1998 wall street powerbook had a lot of fucking hardware problems.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 06:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Your results may vary. I'm just saying, for a long long time it wasn't uncommon for them to run forever without a glitch. Not universal, but not uncommon.

sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 06:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Which may still be the case, for all I know! The "I hate Apple" thread is probably not the best place on the internet to get all your Apple information.

sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 06:23 (nineteen years ago) link

mmm... I do see a trend, though. A disturbance in the force.

sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 06:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I still like Apple, nonetheless.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 06:30 (nineteen years ago) link

when will thinkpads have silver brushed metal cases?

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 06:36 (nineteen years ago) link

It seems as though 99.99999% of the "fuses that blow" are to do with the LCD screenZ0r, which raises to this observer the distinct possibility that humans are not meant to be teaching little crystals to dance on their points. If one recalls the crystal's prodigious reputation for mysticism and its facility at keeping time, it is tempting to draw any conclusion other than the most insensibly horrible inevitability, the dawning dread of which is at first too umentionable to contemplate: the crystals are communicating with each other, they have access to our alarm clocks, and are simply watching and waiting, toying with us, before unleashing an unprecedented productivity loss as the world sleeps til noon. THE CRYSTALS ARE ALIVE, BLAST YOU. In any case, my crystals pout on me in the summer, they start sulking after half an hour or so and won't get turned on no matter what I do. You'd think air conditioning would help but it doesn't. It's seasonal, for some reason.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 06:54 (nineteen years ago) link

My colleague with an iMac G3 maintains that Macs are more reliable, easier to use and all round better than PCs.

Perhaps that why he calls it 'bastard' and 'oh you motherfucker' so often?

mei (mei), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 12:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Apple's laptop price/performance ratio is now more than competitive with other PC manufacturers. The idea that you pay some kind of premium price where A is the cost of an x86 system of comparable specifications and the Macintosh is A*2 is really old hat at this point.

Also this is secondhand information, but I would suggest that the Sony VAIO line is just as "overpriced" performancewise and just as likely to have some kind of stupid hardware failure in the first two years as any Macintosh product.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 13:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I want a SparcBook.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 13:40 (nineteen years ago) link

the Solaris 10 desktop is going to be SWEET.
a Sun laptop is kind of totally stupid though. Get a Nintendo DS instead.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 14:13 (nineteen years ago) link

When I was working on Solaris 2.8 or whatever the fuck it was I noticed how far ahead their X desktop was in terms of basic usability compared to early OS X Finder. Not nearly as pretty but I had a 3 button mouse and could make as many workspaces as I wanted. YO STEVE WHERE ARE MY SWITCHABLE WORKSPACES THAT I CAN ASSIGN DIFFERENT BACKGROUND GRAPHICS TOO AND NAME STUPID THINGS

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 14:17 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG I miss Solaris now. WHERE IS MY OLD SPARC20????

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link


Dan, is your old SPARC20 UP YOUR ASS?

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

a Sun laptop is kind of totally stupid though. Get a Nintendo DS instead.

I wonder how long before Linux runs and is usable with WiFi on it. It'd be cool to netboot it and use it as an X terminal.

YO STEVE WHERE ARE MY SWITCHABLE WORKSPACES THAT I CAN ASSIGN DIFFERENT BACKGROUND GRAPHICS TOO AND NAME STUPID THINGS

There's actually an API for this in OS X that a ton of the free workspace switchers use. I saw one particularly good workspace switcher that added a folder named "Desktops" to your home directory, allowing each desktop to have items unique to it as well as the global "Desktop" items.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link

CDE was pretty nice, but the integration level with X11 user applications was awful. My school has a number of CDE Sun boxes in the main computer lab on campus that only us UNIX Wizards with work accounts can use. Its too bad they don't have like ... a reasonable web browser on them. I think Mathematica is installed though. :D

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck an X terminal, I want world-routable pictochat and packet voice comm apps. thing has touchscreen, 802.11 and microphone, do math.

but back on topic
I mean seriously though why do I have to go download an extra application to make all my files visible on OS X? On Solaris I just told it to stop hiding shit and boom, even .. becomes a clickable directory. THAT'S HOW IT WORKS STEVE

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:10 (nineteen years ago) link

It's very ironic that Apple is making completely boneheaded Microsoft-circa-1992 moves her in terms of the usability/customizability of their operating system after intentionally moving towards the geek OS which pretty much lets you customize everything as long as you aren't scared of being a computer nerd.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

LCD monitors, is it normal for warranties to NOT cover fixing them if pixels go out? Like is it normal for the warranty to require the screen to be basically totally dead before they'll fix it?

Most LCD monitor warranties require you to have a certain percentage of dead pixels before you can claim. It's usually about 5%, which is a hell of a lot given that one or two pixels in the centre of the screen can be damn offputting.

caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

That can't be right. At least, I hope that's not right. A 1600x1200 monitor has 1,920,000 pixels. Five percent of that is 96,000. That's a lot of dead pixels. Can you imagine what that monitor would look like?

sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link

How about doing a google search and finding the Tom's Hardware article that exhaustively discusses the various LCD replacement policies and ISO standards compliance of several major manufacturers? That sounds like a lot of fun.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

If I wasn't too lazy, I'd hunt down the warranty on my own monitor when I get home and check what it actually says.

Thinking about it, I don't think it's a flat percentage figure - and there are separate limits for dead and miscoloured pixels.

The general point - that there have to be quite a lot of dead pixels before you can think about sending the monitor back - is true, though

(and 1600x1200 TFT monitors are still vv expensive, so might have different warranties - all the TFTs I've come across in the past year or so have been 1280x1024)

xpost: well, yes. But as i said, I'm too lazy to do, like, *research* myself.

(why do you think I've got a blog?)

caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

It's very ironic that Apple is making completely boneheaded Microsoft-circa-1992 moves her in terms of the usability/customizability of their operating system after intentionally moving towards the geek OS which pretty much lets you customize everything as long as you aren't scared of being a computer nerd.

-- The Ghost of Dan Perry (djperr...) (webmail), March 16th, 2005 10:20 AM. (Dan Perry) (link)

What are you talking about specifically?

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

caitlin are you implying that you have interns for your blog?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link

No, I'm implying that I never do any research before posting anything :-)

caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Tom, I suggested X terminal because I don't know about the storage specifications for the DS. Hopefully someone will make a Hobbyist OS designed for the platform built on top of Linux or L4 or Mach or whatever....

But being able to acess X apps remotely would be cool. I wonder if the DS can do OpenGL.....

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm slightly talking out of my ass but mostly referring to the complaints upthread that in order to change certain system settings you have to download someone else's third-party tool as opposed using the correct csh/tcsh command (most of which I've now forgotten).

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Do you mean the hidden files in the finder thing? There's some commandline utility to unhide them, but I see no need to use it.

I don't manage /usr/local/bin using Finder.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

AND I think you can edit some plist or something to turn off all file hiding.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Didn't you used to make fun of Macs, like a little while ago? Before you got one?

Dan, yr totally OTM.

This is the only thing on Mac's entire website that I can find that specifically references the LCD issue: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=22194 I was actually searching for the "solution" the tech offered the girl which involved "massaging" the affected area with a q-tip??? He said "the instructions on how to do it are all on the website though" and I cannot find them! Maybe he meant some other website, and not Apple's.

And yeah, I know, LCD's, they ain't gonna replace them for one or two pixels out, right? But it struck me odd that there wasn't like a 5% type of figure being thrown out, that the thing would have to be pretty much DEAD for them to even be willing to do anything at all.

Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

That's nice, Jon. The way I see it if I want to futz around in a *nix shell environment I can do it for fucking free.
I paid for this Finder and I want it to have some rudimentary administrative functionality. Like it used to.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Many of the usability complaints being thrown around here remind me of the usability complaints people had with Windows 3.1 back in the day.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Why do you wanna futz around with /usr/bin in Finder?

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know Jon maybe I just like knowing I can do the same shit on The Greatest Fucking OS On Earth that I can do with, you know, fucking Fedora.

http://slagheap.net/etherspoof/
http://wiki.ethereal.com/CaptureSetup_2fCapturePrivileges
http://www.macguru.net/~frodo/Tripwire-osx.html

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Are you mad that apple doesn't provide you with GUIs for all your favorite UNIX applications. Why should I have to open Terminal.app to use TCPdump?

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link

It is totally possible to generate OS X packages of any of those applicatons. Solution: you don't have to futz around.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Would you like me to generate an OS X package of anything for you?

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes. I want you to generate an OS X package that makes it so I can configure and administer my machinery the way I want to without having to consult a fucking computer scientist.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Why don't you buy OS X Server?

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Why don't you lick my balls?

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

DAN PERRY IS OTM

JON WILLIAMS HAS NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION

Jon, there is one problem with OSX that you never, ever, ever get on these threads and it leads you to argue with me or Tracer or Tom or basically anyone else who doesn't feel like having to open Terminal and remember UNIX commands and go through lengthy compile processes just to get control of their own goddamn computer that they paid $3000 for. You DON'T have to go through these hoops on Windows (post like 2000ish). You DIDN'T have to go through these hoops on older Mac OSes. You DON'T have to do this with other systems. If you WANTED to do that you could just FUCKING LOAD RED HAT INTO A MUCH CHEAPER MACHINE. That's the problem here, Jon, not whether or not you could, theoretically, go into UNIX and go through a series of commands to do xyz if you know quite a lot about UNIX. I know it's theoretically possible. I also know that I didn't have to do that on OS9 or on my PC to get it to do things I wanted to do. It shouldn't take me hours to make iTunes work the way I want it to, is what I'm saying. I shouldn't have to search the help function to figure out how to double space paragraphs in iWork. By making things "easier" they're making it harder.

Mac OSX basically has two modes: complete retard or computer scientist. For everyone who falls in between--which is the majority of what seems to be their market, old Mac users and switch over fairly-knowledgable Windows 2000/XP users--this is really super gay balls bullshit and I hope they change this little smugness phenomenon on their next OS because I'd really like a Powerbook or Powermac but quite frankly if I'm going to have to use UNIX commands and shit in a terminal app ANYWAY to get what I want done on a regular basis on the computer, I'm not going to buy a fucking Mac.

xpost because he's already spent $4000 on a computer that acts like a flakey tempermental coke head?

Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't have any problems with my mac. I am one of those who falls in between. : /

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link

no problems using it that is. I don't really use it for too much fancy tho really, I guess.

the build quality could be a whole lot better. but I have an uncle who works at apple so I get it all cheap (maintenance &.) fr free anyway < /flounces off, smug as all hell>

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Tom, posting from Ally's computer doesn't make me listen to you.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

What UNIX commands are you needing to use? I only see them being needed for compiling bullshit or touching thing THAT YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO FUCK WIT

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

give me one fucking example

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

*insert GIF of dogs going at it here*

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link


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