I'd hate to hear what lj thinks of Mick Jagger and any other sixties rock singer ever that had "swagger" when singing about a desirable female.
― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:32 (fourteen years ago) link
there's the odd belter or bellowed moment where it's very obvious/deliberate (listed these earlier) ; also moments where she goes squeaky and misses the note
xpost i'd hate it if maybe LJ thinking modern brit indie was a bit rapey maybe had to become its own thread and not bother us here: that would be terrible
― thomp, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:33 (fourteen years ago) link
"You call that singing?"
― that guy who doesn't get it but doesn't know he doesn't get it (M.V.), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:35 (fourteen years ago) link
I'll deal with iii because that's where the meat of the argument is (although 'tone colour' is something I think varies naturally rather than intentionally - prove me wrong)...
my claim is that if yr aesthetic choices involve a lot of deliberate error, people are perfectly justified to say "well, i don't like error, and i don't care if it is deliberate" - cf. bad free verse, novels written in one paragraph, out of focus photos - & i think this is a category of objection which on some level goes beyond mere personal taste
The issue here is whether Newsom is making errors, or valid musical choices. Unless she's failing to do something she's trying to do, I'd never accuse her of error. Is she failing to do something she's trying to do? I know some artistic choices can sabotage others, and thus the failure is that of creating a cogent artistic statement - I'd venture to say that if she does make an error, this might be it. But how? I think her voice works well enough with her instrument.
generally dislike the Stones fwiw - and yeah, they're pretty monstrous when it comes to women, although this doesn't have much to do with my opinion of them. at least they were a little more straightforward about their sexual wants. didn't sugar-coat it in false sensitivity.
― joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Nah, pretty much not even worth the discourse at this point. Back to Newsom talk please.
― you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:37 (fourteen years ago) link
what are you guys doing to the great thread of love
can't we get back to the edenic time on this thread when we were all united in lols @ unicorns
gotta get back to the garden guys
― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:41 (fourteen years ago) link
― joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:36 PM (49 seconds ago) Bookmark
Moral: you have to be creepy. You have to make your fuck-want clear from the beginning, even if you choose to go smooth and disguise it as "romantic interest". I understand that the romantic interest route is very popular.
― epic board man (history mayne), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link
here I'll start:
http://unicorns.wizardio.com/images/unicorn.jpg
A THIMBLE'S WORTH OF MILKY LOLS
― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link
http://i.friendfeed.com/d089b9a8bdd910dbdf258265e09014ac822484fe
i kind of think of this every time someone complains about her mentioning sex
― thomp, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link
http://curvature.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/fiona-4.jpg
― joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:55 (fourteen years ago) link
What is she doing, that is 'wrong' and improvable?
The stranglulated nasal whine that was putting a ton of forced stress on her vocal chords is what gave her nodes; the new way she is singing is freer, more open and healthier. You can tell that entirely from the timbre of her voice on older records vs that new song Iposted.
btw weren't you supposed to be banned from ILX until you finished grad school?
― Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link
this thread needed LJ, grad school be damned
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link
http://jhstrega7.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/the-killing-of-the-unicorn.jpg
Cheers Dan, that's a pretty good explanation, although it's more of a technical point than a criticism of her art (although I appreciate that for you it's that too).
I uh...got the batsignal, what can I say. Plus I figured that a forced ILX ban wasn't something I needed; it's a bit like an admission of defeat, and an unnecessary measure. I just need to edit myself from now on. Keep it low-key. Done with great success thus far, I'd say.
― joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:59 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.silverlocusts.com/Graphics/dandelion_book_cover.jpg
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link
hey, am i really liking about 1/2 of this album!
the other 1/2 does not offend me. have no idea why her voice offends. irritates, i guess. offends?
reflexive diatribes against "ivy league"/"privilege" (however they might apply to J.N.) = some straight up B.S.
― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link
did you play the clip of one of her old songs with her old way of singing?
― Jack the Dude-Kicker (HI DERE), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 19:41 (fourteen years ago) link
mills college is sort of a west coast seven sisters i guess
― velko, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 19:44 (fourteen years ago) link
The stranglulated nasal whine that was putting a ton of forced stress on her vocal chords is what gave her nodes;
was wondering about whether or not this was the case
― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 19:45 (fourteen years ago) link
She was probably singing from her throat rather than her diaphragm, a common mistake made by untrained singers that can easily lead to thin, reedy tone and jacked up vocal cords.
When I saw her perform on the Ys tour, she seemed to have this under much better control, but I guess it was too little too late.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 19:50 (fourteen years ago) link
bob dylan's larynx must look like a craggy mountain range at this point
― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Indeed, indeed, everywhere one goes these days, one risks hearing another of these hillbillies or jass singers braying and squawking from a neighbor's gramophone.
― that guy who doesn't get it but doesn't know he doesn't get it (M.V.), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 20:39 (fourteen years ago) link
who's responsible for this http://huggingthenewjoannanewsomalbum.tumblr.com/
― tylerw, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link
BOOK DEAL
― ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 21:32 (fourteen years ago) link
None of those people are really hugging the record though. The first dude almost is, I guess.
― ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 21:34 (fourteen years ago) link
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ky97tpjLzi1qzxv7po1_400.jpg
Which one of you is this?
;)
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link
i knew it was you!
― ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link
then why did u ask
― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link
http://cdn1.libsyn.com/dsco/Having_One_on_Her.jpg?nvb=20100224212639&nva=20100225213639&t=068740464a68973e866a0
― mottdeterre, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link
http://fuckyeahjoannanewsom.tumblr.com/
― ksh, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Heaven has no words for the way you and your friends have treated poor Louis.
― Turangalila, Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:00 (fourteen years ago) link
lol I did come in a bit brashly with the off-topic feminist mudslinging, even if it was to illustrate a defence of JN whom up until yesterday I was pretty sure I didn't like much
― joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:05 (fourteen years ago) link
That was a line from the title track, LJ. :P
― Turangalila, Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:06 (fourteen years ago) link
clearly that's her take on the whole LJ-ILX debacle
― Turangalila, Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Ha! Well as JD said, she's totally hopped on my bandwagon; lyrical dedications are the least I expect. I may have to give this record a listen at some stage - I'm not bursting at the collar to do so but I've completely made my peace with JN. May she fulfil her vision. Like I said amid the sound and fury, Ys should have been indexed, marketed and released as a single piece, and I'm a little hesitant to deal with an album of hers that contains so many discrete bits of music. I can't imagine listening to the individual songs of Ys.
― joagga lousome (acoleuthic), Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Sawdust & Diamonds and maybe Cosmia work pretty well by themselves imo. But then I'm one of those people who think the rest was dragged down by VDP's orchestral muck.
Laurie & I got this new one on LP this past Monday but haven't really listened, I think we will tonight.
― sleeve, Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link
it will change your life
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:40 (fourteen years ago) link
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kyblvkt2Tq1qzclhao1_400.jpg
appears to be both sleeping and drinking champagne in the back of a car - 1st class WKIW material.
I have listened to this album and I like it. Won't be sure how much it's changed the world till I listen to it in my magical hidden cave, tho.
(as one of the crazy overenthusiastic fans I can't work out how much I mean that.)
― FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:44 (fourteen years ago) link
@tylerw @ksh @Mr. Que
It was me, loves! Mwah! (Re: http://huggingthenewjoannanewsomalbum.tumblr.com/)
― Ursell Anning, Thursday, 25 February 2010 00:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Hahaha! So great. And I'm quoted next to Stereogum, The Village Voice, and Carles under the title. Thanks!
― ksh, Thursday, 25 February 2010 01:48 (fourteen years ago) link
I fear the parody blogs.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 February 2010 01:49 (fourteen years ago) link
http://huggingnedraggett.tumblr.com ?
― FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 25 February 2010 01:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Everyone should fear that.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 February 2010 01:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh wow, sweet: Mike Powell reviewed the record!
http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-02-23/music/joanna-newsom-somewhat-simplified
― ksh, Thursday, 25 February 2010 01:55 (fourteen years ago) link
My only thing about the hugging-the-record Tumblr is that none of the people on it are actually hugging the record, except for maybe on guy but it's hard to tell.
― ksh, Thursday, 25 February 2010 01:59 (fourteen years ago) link
*one
all of those "huggers" need professional help
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 25 February 2010 02:00 (fourteen years ago) link
ok...so i've listened to this 3 times through//and the only song i'm not really feeling as yet is Ribbon Bows
― tincub, Thursday, 25 February 2010 02:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Is that second hugger Mike White?
― dylan's craggy larynx (jaymc), Thursday, 25 February 2010 02:02 (fourteen years ago) link
hey, that village voice article isn't terrible!
― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 25 February 2010 02:14 (fourteen years ago) link