Orbital C/D

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I dunno I think the cohesion and consistency of Orbital 2 is kinda overrated - an artist album that works like a DJ set is a good idea obv but, y'know, DJ sets that work like DJ sets are pretty cool too.

Plus with Orbital 2 you get this amazing run from "Lush" through to the end of "Remind" but the "cohesion" of the rest is only notable in comparison to the schizophrenia of Snivilization. Most of the allegedly unique qualityies of Orbital 2 are present in Middle Of Nowhere as well (the excellent flow of the first three tracks; "Nothing Left" as a sequel to "Halcyon" only even vaster).

Orbital 2 is still an amazing album obv, but I'm not sure if its qualities are automatically superior to Snivilization - whose perversity and restlessness frequently captivate me.

Of course if Orbital 2 had the full version of "Impact (The Earth Is Burning)" it might *well* be unbeatable.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 04:48 (twenty years ago) link

there's an even bigger version of "impact?" the one on orbital 2 is well over ten minutes, if i recall.

in sides is still an unreal experience start-to-finish. 2 benefits quite a bit from tracks running together, but i hardly notice the transitions on much of in sides, even when they incorporate a change in beat and key. they're cleverly done.

rgeary (rgeary), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 05:10 (twenty years ago) link

The reworked version of Impact USA was the best version of Impact - they tidied up the melodic bit at the beginning slightly and then prolonged the messy apocalyptic Cry For Survival bit at the end with loads of extra squealy noises on top.

The best version of Impact was the one played on the MoN tour, where they reversed the parts so you got the hard bit first and then uplifting first section kicked in later. Destroyed the concept, but sounded incredible (especially when it was sandwiched in between Spare Parts Express and Know Where To Run as part of a continuous mix).

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:36 (twenty years ago) link

InSides is the most coherant thing they've done. Incidentally, dodgy as The Altogether may have been, all the haterz overlook the 9 minute majesty of MELTDOWN, especially the sublime closing section. More of that please.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:38 (twenty years ago) link

i put the altogether dvd on last night and cracked on with stuff with that in the background .. tis a grower .. found myself really digging it far mroe than originally.
anyone heard that soundtrack album thats in the HMV sales ? worthy of 6 shiny coins ?

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:23 (twenty years ago) link

If I ahd to take two into outerspace with me it'd be 'Brown' and In Sides, definitely.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 09:26 (twenty years ago) link

'The Altogether' remains unfairly misjudged. people always think David Gray and Tool when they should be thinking FUNNY BREAK, LAST THING, TENSION, OI, PAY PER VIEW, SHADOWS and MELTDOWN

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:07 (twenty years ago) link

STEVEM COMPLETELY OTM (and also the David Gray song is actually great if you pay attention to it and aren't busy going "I AM FAR TOO COOL TO LIKE SOMETHING WITH DAVID GRAY ON IT FNAR FNAR FNAR")

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 13:13 (twenty years ago) link

matt otm re: meltdown - there's just so much wonderful stuff going on in that track. i can't believe at first i completely dysmissed that track and now it's one of my fav's.

dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 13:54 (twenty years ago) link

Yup, Snivilisation's my fave, too. Glad to see some luv for it here!

Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 16:16 (twenty years ago) link

It's all about "In Sides". That album cannot be touched. It's a toss up between that and "Loveless" for the best album of the 90's.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

Orbital for Glasto 2004
http://www.efestivals.co.uk/news/040421c.shtml

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:04 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sorry, but The Altogether is *not* unfairly misjudged - even if you took off the David Grey track it would be fairly uninteresting and flat-sounding. "Meltdown" is good though.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:29 (twenty years ago) link

Tim, don't be sorry about it - it's fucking rubbish.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:33 (twenty years ago) link

stevem and I have magic ears.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:34 (twenty years ago) link

I'd ask you to lend me them, but I'm sure it'd still be rubbish.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:35 (twenty years ago) link

In what universe can "Funny Break", "Pay Per View", "The Last Thing", and "Meltdown" be considered flat or rubbish?

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:43 (twenty years ago) link

A universe where the group's previous work exists and is known.

"Funny Break" is nice obv but its stand-out status is relative to the rest of the album; it falls short of most of their previous vocal numbers.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:27 (twenty years ago) link

"After 15 years working together as Orbital, Paul and Phil Hartnoll have announced that their forthcoming LP the “Blue Album” will be their last. Following the album’s release on 21st of June, Orbital will play Brixton Academy on 25th of June followed by their last ever English live show, closing the second stage on Sunday June 27th at Glastonbury.

“I think we feel that Orbital has run it’s course,” says Paul Hartnoll. “We’re both pursuing different avenues with our music. And we’ve been sat, as brothers, in the same room for 15 years now–and studios are always confined spaces–I think it’s time for a change.”

Since their first single, ‘Chime’ entered the top 20 in April 1990 Orbital have released six albums and developed a live show that evolved, by common consent into one of the landmark performance shows of the last decade. They have helped to shape and develop both the character and credibility of electronic music far beyond the disposable anonymity of the first white labels and the acid house scene that they came from. In 1989–when Chime was recorded onto their dad’s cassette player–no–one expected things to come this far, least of all the band themselves.

The brothers extra–mural interests have all informed the character of The Blue Album, the bands seventh, which evolved gradually over the course of 2003 with the band free from record company expectations and schedules for the first time since their career began. “If anything,” says Paul “It’s closer in character to our first album than our later ones, if only because we made it in our own time and for ourselves.”

Fans will recognise the trademark Orbital sound when they hear it. Familiar themes from previous albums, such as religion, are also present.
“There’s a couple of references to that,” says Paul. One of my favourite tracks, “You Lot” has got this speech from Christopher Eccleston from this fantastic drama called The Second Coming. I just really loved that programme and that speech is quite typically orbital, like our other track Forever, that’s got a speech halfway through and I really love the sentiment behind that. That whole programme was about the second coming, obviously, and God.”

“We’ve got another track [One Perfect Sunrise] we did with Lisa Gerrard who was in Dead Can Dance, singing on it. That’s a spin off from something we wrote for a Sunrise scene, in another film …that’s turned out well.”

Noted for their collaborations, Orbital’s last album is no exception
featuring work from fellow sibling legends, Sparks.
“We were wanting some vocals on the track Pants, something fairly odd, and thought Sparks would be perfect,” says Paul. “It turned out they’re quite up for a bit of collaboration and said yes when we approached them. After we’d asked them I set about listening to some of their recent work and was pleasantly surprised to find it was even more bonkers than their original stuff. It was all done across the Atlantic, via file sharing and CD’s, and when we heard it we realised it was really a track in it’s own right so we remixed it and it’s ended up here as Acid Pants, it’s own thing.”

Another audible influence on the album is that of legendary transsexual composer Walter/Wendy Carlos. “Absolutely,” says Paul, “I tried to do something with a sort of Clockwork Orange feel, and that became ‘Bath Time’ . It started off by being hummed in the bath on tour before I was about to go and meet everyone for a pint in San Francisco. Got out of the bath and scribbled it down on my laptop and finished it over last summer, adding little bits in buses and vans while I was travelling. And it went on from there. It became like Clockwork Orange and Kraftwerk combined. Electronic music for electronic musics sake, dodging all real instrument sounds. Wheras ‘Easy Serve’ is weird supermarket muzak, almost like hospital muzak. Maybe it’s a supermarket where they only sell hospital items. Here’s the lip section…Either way, it’s not going to be a coffee table album. But then we’ve never done one of them. Maybe a coffee table album at three in the morning, when everyone is blind drunk and no one can remember anything anyway.”

With the album complete the band are turning their attention to their final show at Glastonbury. An appropriate venue for a farewell as it was here, exactly ten years before that Orbital delivered a live show that Q magazine listed as one of the fifty greatest live show of all time. “It’s nice to know that we’re finishing, it’s not many bands that do that. They tend to just fade away. And it’s nice to have our last gig at Glastonbury. It’s gonna be a party set, a best of Orbital. We’re not gonna sit there and try and promote the new album. I think if we’re gonna do a last gig we should do distilled set of all the best stuff we’ve done. And that’s what we’re gonna do, play all the stuff that’s stuck around for all this time because they are the favourite ones. This will definitely be our last ever live shows,” confirms Paul, “Although I’m sure Status Quo keep telling themselves the same thing.”

Read on for details of how to get tickets for the last UK indoor gig @ Brixton."

http://www.loopz.co.uk/begin.html

Let me repeat this:

“If anything,” says Paul “It’s closer in character to our first album than our later ones, if only because we made it in our own time and for ourselves.”

Ugh, that's definitely not what I wanted to hear.

turkey (turkey), Thursday, 22 April 2004 03:39 (twenty years ago) link

Wow! Thanks for posting that!! The bit about it being like their first album bothers me not a bit. I liked the first one, but part of its appeal was just that it sounded so different to anything else at the time. I wouldn't expect them to go back to using the same SOUNDS they were using then, and remember they are a lot more experienced now.

Ned had said the best version of "Chime" was on the Satan Live CD thing...I beg to differ, I think there was a Joey Beltram mix I have on vinyl somewhere that really exploited the bell sound nicely...it was the first time I ever heard Orbital and my jaw dropped. Both that and the "Chime Crime" version on the Mutations EP made the album version of "Chime" seem slow as molasses when I finally heard it.

bimble (bimble), Thursday, 22 April 2004 04:27 (twenty years ago) link

Although I felt "The Altogether" was hugely disappointing, and the idea of a new album that sounds like their first doesn't excite me, I am quite saddened that they're calling it quits.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 22 April 2004 04:48 (twenty years ago) link

"legendary transsexual composer Walter/Wendy Carlos"

Jeez!

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 22 April 2004 04:54 (twenty years ago) link

Fucking hell, I've never seen Orbital live due to lots of unfortunate coincidences, I need to go to that Brixton gig. Could anybody put me up for the night in Londoinium if I made the pilgrimmage?

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:39 (twenty years ago) link

When they play out Chime for the last time at the end of the Glasto set is going to be mentalism. And kind of emotional as well, but then the Hartnolls are to me as Radiohead are to Melissa, so...

Nick, I would totally put you up but will be at Glasto, sadly.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:45 (twenty years ago) link

the disposable anonymity of the first white labels and the acid house scene that they came from

I like disposable anonymity.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 22 April 2004 09:02 (twenty years ago) link

Capitalist!

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 22 April 2004 09:03 (twenty years ago) link

I think their final album should be a forty-five minute track along the lines of "Impact" or "Nothing Left" but even bigger. fuck this "more like our first album" shit. Orbital should just give into their prog-rock inclinations at this point.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 23 April 2004 01:40 (twenty years ago) link

The danger of that is we could get "Mother 2004" if they're not careful.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 April 2004 01:45 (twenty years ago) link

Do you mean the Goldie track? I would have thought the obv difference is that Goldie sucks at prog ("Inner City Life" excepted). Orbital are great at prog - "Out There Somewhere" and "Nothing Left" are both around twenty minutes anyway aren't they? "Are We Here?" is like sixteen yeah?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 23 April 2004 01:49 (twenty years ago) link

Do you mean the Goldie track?

Yes (and point taken, it's just that much as I like this vision and that I agree they handle long songs really beautifully, I fear the results of an off day! but this is all wishful thinking, alas...)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 April 2004 01:51 (twenty years ago) link

Nick, man don't give up! If I hand picked 50 of my favorite artists, only a few would touch Orbital in a live setting.

bimble (bimble), Friday, 23 April 2004 02:48 (twenty years ago) link

I heard You Lot and One Perfect Sunrise yesterday - the former is very Snivilisation while the latter is Halcyon-Belfast with added festival-friendly hands in the air vibe. These two tracks alone elevate the record miles above The Altogether in my estimation.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 23 April 2004 13:01 (twenty years ago) link

I listened to _Snivilization_ yesterday and while I completely agree that it is better than _The Altogether_, I don't think it makes _The Altogether_ useless, unlistenable or irrelevant.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 April 2004 13:04 (twenty years ago) link

How did you hear them, you bugger?!

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Friday, 23 April 2004 13:05 (twenty years ago) link

I took the CD off my shelf and put it in my discman!

...Oh, you weren't talking to me.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 23 April 2004 13:06 (twenty years ago) link

You can consider yourself a bugger as well though, Daniel.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Friday, 23 April 2004 13:18 (twenty years ago) link

Definitely classic up to and including the brilliant "In Sides". Not quite so classic after that.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 23 April 2004 13:35 (twenty years ago) link

I haven't been particularly interested in either Orbital (or music festivals) since Snivilisation, which, 'Are we Here?' aside, I found to be a let down after Orbital 2...but something about that interview makes me really want to go to see the final Glastonbury show.

Quick Chime question: there's a mix (not the Beltram or Ray Keith ones) or version with a faster, housier beat than the original and a 'chime' sound that follows the bassline that I've been trying to ID for years. It would have been a pre-1995 release...anyone have any suggestions?

mmmsalt (Graeme), Friday, 23 April 2004 14:07 (twenty years ago) link

Okay, this couldn't be less like The Altogether...

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 17:10 (twenty years ago) link

That sound you hear is the sound of waves of disappointment crashing over me once more.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 17:14 (twenty years ago) link

First impressions - it's definitely embracing its inner prog... there's a kind of self-consciously BIG sound to the whole record - but in that it uses a lot of the worst cliches about 'epic' dance music - huge swathes of echo slathered over everything, long synth string chords, regular portentous stabs of sound - in a lot of ways the production's like a late 90s trance record. It's huge-sounding, but without any of the intimacy and texture that characterised InSides or even Snivilisation in parts. Also the tunes aren't much cop - I've gone off the aforementioned Sunrise quite a bit.

You Lot is pretty good - the rant over the top of it works and it's got some backbone and urgency to it, and Acid Pants certainly lives up to its name, but overall it sounds like a bad 90s act trying to imitate Orbital at their peak. I'll try and do a track-by-track later, once I've listened to it again.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 17:24 (twenty years ago) link

Haha Matt I bet you a dollar that regardless of what you say I will love this album.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 17:32 (twenty years ago) link

I'm hoping it'll grow on me - there are maybe three tracks I can see blaring out at Glastonbury but that's it. There's something of that trademark Orbital sound that you can hear right through the other albums missing though... it feels kinda empty.

There's a really nice plinky piano-led one in the middle called Bath Time, though.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 17:45 (twenty years ago) link

Snivilisation. The Middle Of Nowhere and The Altogether all have the same ratio of bad/weak tracks. 'Science Fiction' bores me completely. 'Philosophy By Numbers' is a bit dull frankly, 'Quality Seconds' and 'Crash And Carry' are cool but throwaway. don't bother voicing your disagreement with me here as i concede Sniv is still the better album because of how awesome Forever, ..Duck Feet, Sad But True, Kein Trink Wasser, Are We Here and Attached are. i think The Altogether is alright by me because it's their poppiest album and this is some sort of relief/nice change from the progno of the other works (Meltdown excepted)

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:32 (twenty years ago) link

listened to Way Out yesterday while going along the Hudson River and remembered there are only two tracks on TMON i dont like (Style, I Don't Know You People)

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:34 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, I think my speakers might have been set to a dodgy setting - this sounds much better on my PC without vast echoey noises.

You Lot makes me want to touch myself in my special place. I think the middle section will really appeal to fans of Selected Ambient Works II.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 19:57 (twenty years ago) link

Haha I am such a sad Orbital fan that I even love "Style"!

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 19:58 (twenty years ago) link

It also has a Boards of Canada 1969 style vocoder line on it. Gorgeous, in fact.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 19:59 (twenty years ago) link

I freely admit that "Style" is their weakest single and etc etc, but THEY SAMPLE DOLLAR COVERING ERASURE AND HAVE A REMIX THAT FEATURES A BAGPIPE MARCHING BAND!!!!

xpost MATT STOP TORTURING ME PLZ

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 19:59 (twenty years ago) link

Is this on SLSK yet?

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 20:01 (twenty years ago) link


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