slint -- _spiderland_: classic or dud

And the guitars/drums/bass actually sound seasick, which is awesome.

Well, they were VERY good (album + 2 track EP + new song (not 20 minutes like in Amsterdam - other track?) ), but I'm still having trouble with the whole concept of playing full albums. Anyway, yay!

i nominate this thread for some of the worst writing on ILM. no wonder these people no longer write about music.

hi steve!

who's that on bass? it isn't todd cook.

according to (Dutch mag) Oor, it is indeed Todd Cook:

( http://www.oor.nl/deruit_concertverslagen_details.asp?id=513 )

Britt Walford: drums/vocals/guitar
Brian McMahan: vocals/guitar
David Pajo: guitar
Michael McMahan: guitar (yes, his brother)
Todd Cook: bass

(according to that same article, that is)

this is definitely not todd cook:

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crap, damn:

http://bp1.blogger.com/_oDP6_P0g4gc/RlLmlr1HKoI/AAAAAAAAAWs/fxv9cL-fe4E/s1600-h/508472584_c612cac472.jpg

wtf i hate nu ilx. go here:

http://bp1.blogger.com/_oDP6_P0g4gc/RlLmlr1HKoI/AAAAAAAAAWs/fxv9cL-fe4E/s1600-h/508472584_c612cac472.jpg

that's not todd cook.

Ah. That certainly is the guy who played bass yesterday.

Does this mean that dutch journalist got it wrong? Journalists getting things wrong, I thought that was impossible? :-(

looks like a de-bearded todd brashear:

http://www.wandwvideo.com/images/toddwrobot.jpg

wow!

I'm pretty sure that's the same guy, yes!

There's now a bootleg of the Amsterdam show, and the final track only looks like being 10 mins, according to the tracklist.

I only heard about that on some forum, by the way. Maybe they meant it felt like 20 minutes?

The instrumental part in "Washer" right after "promise me the sun will rise again..." is so fucking creepy.

it gets all slow and heavy and GOD it is so depressing.

PRIMAVERA MUTHAFUCKAS!

Brussels pix

http://www.soundslike.be/pictures/?pictureID=22

(yes, Pajo was wearing a Lamb Of God tshirt)

Put this on for the first time in a few years last night, blew me away yet again, absolute classic

Whereas I listened to this for the first time a few months ago, and was just... 'meh'.

I completely love this album, and was actually fortunate enough not to have had it played up as a total 90s indie classic (which, in any case, I really think it is, btw) before hearing it. Maybe 4 years ago, one of my older brothers (who first heard it when he was in college back in the early 90s) just put it on after I played him some Mogwai. We were talking a little bit about early 90s indie very generally, and he just kind of casually said, "oh, this is Slint, you'll probably like this." I was totally blown away.

Liked it at the time, but didn't love it. Feel the same about it now. A couple times in between, I've heard it and been blown the fuck away, but mostly it just sounds nice. Requires a specific frame of mind and kind of attention, I guess. Feel much the same way about Mogwai and Godspeed!, two of yr higher profile Slint spawn outfits.

But I totally agree w/ sundar et al about how hard it is to hear this record without experiencing a parallel rush of distaste for the huge, boring museum rock culture it seems to have generated, or at least anticipated.

i bought it because of the cover photo and the intriguing band name, and grew to really love it despite later finding that it was a CLASSIC

Tweez>>>>>>>>>>>>Spiderland to these ears.

Classic. The s/t For Carnation record is just as good, if not better.

"I MISS YOU!"

been listening to this a lot lately, its been the soundtrack to hanging out in my room and sulking lol

It is the soundtrack to a very emotional day for me here too.

Most go back to this. Not listened to it since being wildly underwhelmed by the reunion shows. But just thinking about it gives me shivers. What's the one that ends with the same chord repeated for 30 seconds? Best ending in rock.

Been thinking about "Good Morning Captain" the past couple of days. ILX is on my wavelength as usual.

i feel bad for anyone who thinks spiderland is anything but a dud, and i have to admit i hated it for a while and then i heard the ending of good morning, captain. 'nuff said, this is a top 10 album if there ever was one.

Like Spiderland okay, though it's not a personal favorite. Some amazing moments and a great command of flow, texture, dynamics, but it's all a bit too pinched and inward-looking for my taste. Not sure what the opposite of musically "generous" is (selfish doesn't seem quite right), but whatever it is, Slint have it in spades, and I'm not a fan. Plus I kinda agree with whoever way back when that it's hard to separate Slint from their million bazillion lemon-sucking "post-rock" followers -- from Tortoise to Mogwai to Pelican. I tend to prefer bands who're willing to risk looking like douchey, glitter-encrusted bozos to those who're content to glower and scour from the Corner of Eternal Darkness.

jesus christ stfu

http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv105/NAPOLEONROFL/youlikethis.jpg

What? I don't like it. Why should I?

tbf it is kind of a willfully ignant position to not be able to tell slint from mogwai from tortoise from pelican given that they all sound completely different

I know they sound different, and I can see why the comparison seem offensive. That said, I'm not saying I can't tell one from the other. I see Slint as having kicked off a serious and lasting interest in gloomy, exploratory post-rock that's now expanded out in lots of different directions. Including Pelican probably stretches the net too far to make sense, for which I formally recant, but I often think of Tortoise, Gastr del Sol, Mogwai, GYBE! and Explosions In the Sky as the children of Slint (some more direct and others more distant). From there, it's not a huge leap to the more metallic present-day stuff -- with like Godflesh & Neurosis being at least equally influential.

"...I can see why the comparison might seem offensive."

If, on the other hand, the objection is to crap like "lemon-sucking 'post-rock' followers" and/or "glower and scour from The Corner of Eternal Darkness", well then yes: I should be shot.

classic for originality, but the record has never appealed to me to play more than maybe once. its a little boring.

I really wanted to like it and spent time trying to get through it. Then once it clicked and was a pretty emotional experience but I've never been able to go back to it. Spoke to a few people that feel the same way. Maybe once is enough.

rules

it's kinda cool that, by being the first band to talk over music, or 'beats', slint invented rap.

actually, scratch that. forgot about wham.

slint invented rap? are you insane?

anyway, classic.

no, prettylikealaindelon, i do not think that. i corrected myself. take the time to read before you rush to judging people's mental health.

wait, you think that wham invented rap? are you insane?

please take the time to educate yourself before you rush to say that a pop group from circa the mid 80s (many years after the 'invention' of rap) infact invented rap.

Roberto sometimes misspeaks - I believe he meant, and this is an uncontroversial opinion I think, that Wham perfected rap - as Roberto knows, there were others before Wham, like C.W. McCall for instance, but it was Wham who really solidified the genre musically