Eno/Byrne's My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts Reissued?

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I heard "America is Waiting" last night on public radio, and even on my tinny car radio speakers the new mix sounds really GOOD!

Daniel Peterson (polkaholic), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link

The good:
The music sounds great. I like the new cover art and the included short essays in the booklet are great.

The bad:
Another one of these damn cheap cardboard sleeves. You know, the ones that are so tight that it's a bitch to extract the jewel case and you're going to end up destroying it anyway or throwing it out since it has nothing inherently useful.

mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I really want to like this but it isn't quite hitting me. Perhaps it would have seemed more revelatory had I been 26 when it first came out instead of now? At worst it sounds a bit like a big digeridoo/drum circle, at best it makes me think of an auditory counterpart to this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/24/The_Medium_is_the_Massage_cover.jpg

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmm. That's an. . . interesting take.

I first heard it when I was 20 (in 2000) and it was quite possibly the record that made the fact that something special had been doing on "post-punk," that the Talking Heads and Elvis Costello and Siouxsie & the Banshees and Gang of Four and Wire records I loved weren't abberitions. I think it startled me because it was borrowing from music from around the world *without* being awful hippie "world music," which I didn't know was the modus operandi of art/underground music of the time.

It probably says something that your ears are no so accustomed to the hybridisation this record captures that because of its relative simplicity you associate it with hippie appropriation from an earlier time (a la Beatles re: sitars, hippies re: drum circles, Paul Simon a la "Me and Julio").

I.M. (I.M.), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, yeah, had I written a longer post I was actually going to say that part of my brain knows there's something smarter going on than just hippie appropriation of "world" music (especially since I remember reading a great article by Byrne dismantling the concept of that very genre), and yet Byrne seems, perversely, to have had a huge influence on less intelligent world music that has come since, and with which I associate a lot of the kind of vocal sampling and percussive jamming that happens on this record. But I also just find a bit dull - very repetitive, not very dynamic, etc.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 22:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I bought the reissue... I'm still very much into the record, years later. The structures are very repetitive, there's no forward motion, if you're expecting songs that develop & transition then this stuff might sound unfinished to you, usually when they've run through all their sounds the track simply fades out. a lot like 'another green world'. this record is about sound design and raw weird juxtaposition -- the textures, the details, the feel, I like better than 'catherine wheel' & 'remain in light', this record's still a mystery.

which is why I'm so allergic to the packaging on this reissue putting so much energy into making a case for it's 'importance', the new digital cover, the essays, the many boring pictures of them in the studio taking up full pages... the original packaging was perfect and author-anonymous. the new record ditches the sample attribtions in favor of a long winded toop essay about how important this record is. it's a fine essay, but bundling it with the record even puts me off and I love this record.

also... the new tracks are worth hearing but they're even more ephemeral and inconclusive... great to hear, but they do dilute the impact of the original record. calling them 'side 3' instead of 'auxillary' is going pretty far.

I've been enjoying the bad reviews the reissue's gotten though, they're validating... this record still isn't for anyone

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 22:45 (seventeen years ago) link

But there's other repetitive, non-dynamic music I like, I just don't find this all that interesting sonically.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link

really? wow

well, ok then. for me the sound design is the main appeal on this record. I'm hooked three seconds into the first track.

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I like the first track actually. That was what got me to buy the record.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link

>because of its relative simplicity you associate it with hippie appropriation from an earlier time (a la Beatles re: sitars<

George Harrison was actually a fairly decent player - nowhere near the way that Hindustani classical players can play, but I think the Beatles used sitar well and he wrote some good songs after having studied No. Indian classical music some. Mike Heron of the Incredible String Band was also a decent player.

How is this album a more "intelligent" use of world music elements?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 23:17 (seventeen years ago) link

How is this album a more "intelligent" use of world music elements?

Well, for starters, Eno & Byrne don't attempt to sing the melodies themselves, knowing they couldn't do it as well as the music that was inspiring them. For me that differenciates it from appropriation--they aren't standing off from afar worshiping the purity of something, they're unafraid of recontextualisation, but they're not going to try to pretend to be the source. It's like the way hip-hop musicians can respect the originality of the breakbeats sampled, but not be afraid of creating something new. Much as I enjoy the Beatles cute use of the "exotic," it comes off as basically an adornment, rather than an integral element.

It's like a record I heard of my parents' friend, wherein a group of aging white hippie women decided they wanted to create a record of "Native American" songs and chants, out of some (to my mind) misguided desire to honour "the" culture. When you want to recreate "world musics" like that, it seems to me you've got to bear an incredible responsibility to understand the music on its own terms--which if you did might make it clear you aren't in a position to recreate it. Eno and Byrne aren't beholden to that responsibility because what they're creating is overtly a fantasy--not a facsimile. I imagine they hoped that if someone were pulled most especially to the vocal melodies in the pieces, that person would seek out original recordings. They weren't seeking to replace the originals--whereas plenty of people only know the Sitar as a sound in the Beatles music (though I'm not sure that's entirely the Beatles fault).

I.M. (I.M.), Thursday, 27 April 2006 02:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess I always figured Byrne is as much or more interested in globalization and media effects than in "authentic culture" of other parts of the world. But this record falls a little flat to my ears regardless of that.

I also wasn't really so much thinking of the early hippie indulgences in "Eastern" music as just bad drum circles I observed in college. And I was also thinking of bad "World" music artists that seem to think their unique blend of hip-hop elements and traditional Kora music, or whatever, is really innovative. I give Byrne and Eno more credit than that in terms of their inentions, but the sonic results of the former and the latter aren't all that different to my ears.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 27 April 2006 02:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I.M., I don't see how your argument about how Bush of Ghosts recontextualizes world music, is not mere appropriation, doesn't attempt to replicate the original music (or replace the original music) without understanding it fully or understanding its cultural context implicates the Beatles in any way. I think a song like "Within You Without You" is also a "recontextualization" and a fairly serious one. I don't find it cute and I don't think it uses properties of Indian music as mere adornment.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 27 April 2006 03:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I put "recontextualization" in quotes, by the way, because it strikes me as a buzz word used to talk about "intelligent music" in which the "recontextualization" that is going on is perhaps the main aesthetic factor in the music. (And this being the case, if you want to talk about the music, you end up talking about this factor and you call it "recontextualization.")

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 27 April 2006 03:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Well to a certain extent it's a "recontextualization" for anyone from one culture to perform the songs of a geographically distant other culture. I mean if a folk singer sang a coal mine song at Carnegie Hall, it wouldn't have mattered how true to the tradition he was because he'd have been singing it in Carnegie Hall and not in a coal mine.

I'd venture that the difference between Harrison and Byrne in this case has more to do with the type of "recontextualization" they're interested in -- with Harrison it seems like it had more to do with experimentation and spirituality, with Byrne it seems to be more about anxiety and dislocation.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 27 April 2006 03:33 (seventeen years ago) link

http://bush-of-ghosts.com/remix/bush_of_ghosts.htm

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, looks like I joined this party wayyy too late for the YSI files -- any chance anybody would want to email me the mp3s of the deleted "Qu'ran" and "Jezebel Spirit"?

.... pretty please....?

Pober Saltine, Thursday, 11 May 2006 06:44 (seventeen years ago) link

You're not allowed to ask that any more, unfortunately.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 11 May 2006 06:53 (seventeen years ago) link

George Harrison was actually a fairly decent player - nowhere near the way that Hindustani classical players can play, but I think the Beatles used sitar well and he wrote some good songs after having studied No. Indian classical music some. Mike Heron of the Incredible String Band was also a decent player.

How is this album a more "intelligent" use of world music elements?

-- Tim Ellison (thefriendlyfriendlybubbl...), April 26th, 2006.

This is only tangentially related, but Jon Pareles and David Lewiston (Nonesuch Explorer series dude) were just on Soundcheck on WNYC talking about what "world music" is and George Harrison figured heavily in the discussion. The really interesting bits, though, are the parts where Lewiston talks about his first trip to Bali to record gamelan music:

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/soundcheck/episodes/2006/05/10

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 11 May 2006 12:58 (seventeen years ago) link

six years pass...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WSwpm0N8yMA/T8TAFLnG1mI/AAAAAAAAANY/tEZrq_u-Wxw/s1600/scan0001.jpg

http://mywalloftapes.blogspot.com/2012/05/life.html

still hissy, mastered very quiet, but still, better fidelity than the Ghosts bootleg

Milton Parker, Monday, 11 June 2012 20:29 (eleven years ago) link

four months pass...

Unfortunately, that's gone.

I recently pulled this out again as I got interested in finding out how Eno was using his AMS DMX delay box to do the cut-up vocals on this (that's been unsuccessful).

But a few days ago, I found an interview from 1980 with Eno in which he talks about MLitBoG a bit -- and plays a few rough mixes he'd done of "America Is Waiting" (sans vocals, which he calls "Garbage Disco"), "Mea Culpa" (just the synth arpeggio and vocals), and a very early version of "The Carrier" (I think -- I get some of those tracks on the second side mixed up). Pretty interesting stuff:

http://ubu.com/sound/eno.html

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 8 November 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link

oh, cool, think i've just heard an excerpt of that interview. thanks!

tylerw, Thursday, 8 November 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link

Rough mixes supposedly from a cassette Byrne gave to a guy when he was living in Alphabet City in the late 70s/early 80s. By far the best quality boots I've heard of this material.

http://bigozine2.com/roio/?p=1121

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 9 November 2012 02:04 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

Holy shit, this sound pretty familiar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIas_yxduDw

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 October 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

Admittedly late but what am I missing here, Josh? Is that supposed to be a groove Eno and Byrne appropriated?

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 31 March 2017 13:46 (seven years ago) link

Kind of reminiscent of Regiment?

PURE, BEAUTIFUL OIL (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 05:02 (seven years ago) link

No resemblance at all. A groove's a groove's a groove.

Max Florian, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 09:54 (seven years ago) link

five months pass...

So this is being reissued again, on vinyl this time, with additional bonus tracks:

http://hhhhappy.com/my-life-in-the-bush-of-ghosts-set-for-vinyl-reissue-with-new-surprises/

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 14 September 2017 04:54 (six years ago) link

four years pass...

that's really interesting, thanks!

thinkmanship (sleeve), Thursday, 11 August 2022 17:12 (one year ago) link

The Rolling Stone article mentioned towards the end is fascinating as well:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-album-reviews/my-life-in-the-bush-of-ghosts-252823/

I was expecting "sampling isn't real music" but it's a lot more nuanced, and encapsulates all of the criticisms that were levelled at world music many years later. Eno and Byrne just brush it off in their article.

So, I guess people from the past weren't a bunch of stupid racists after all. It also reminds me that I haven't read anything at all by Marshall McLuhan. He was huge before I was born, but when I was young it was all No Logo and whatever else you were supposed to pretend to read to be hip. McLuhan was a bit old-hat back then. I learn from the internet that he wasn't a real Marshall. That was just his name.

Ashley Pomeroy, Thursday, 11 August 2022 19:30 (one year ago) link

I never thought that Pareles review was able to land a convincing blow. Like: "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts does make me wonder, though, how Byrne or Eno would react if Dunya Yusin spliced together a little of 'Animals' and a bit of 'The Paw Paw Negro Blowtorch,' then added her idea of a suitable backup. Does this global village have two-way traffic?"... Is he really suggesting he thinks they'd be upset? Seems like they would each have died to hear what that would have sounded like!

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 11 August 2022 19:47 (one year ago) link

No Dunya Younes albums on Spotify

curmudgeon, Friday, 12 August 2022 15:52 (one year ago) link

seven months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR715ql1-Fk

MaresNest, Friday, 24 March 2023 19:55 (one year ago) link

that is awesome

tylerw, Friday, 24 March 2023 20:14 (one year ago) link


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