Who do the British seemingly hate Q Magazine?

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Julio - go for the cheapest, most poor-condition vinyl copy you can find, any hole-in-the-wall junk shop should have one for 5p. If it's from a 'Reader's Digest' box set on .002mm-thick recycled 70s vinyl, even better. All the surface noise and needle skips will make it sound actually interesting!

dave q, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:42 (twenty years ago) link

haha i agree with dave q

geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:45 (twenty years ago) link

'q' in dave q = q magazine obv

(ducks)

geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:46 (twenty years ago) link

I guess you might need a bit of music theory as far as appreciating this stuff goes.

yeah dave- kind of like listening to old blues/jazz records, the noisy/crackly recorded bits add another dimension.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:51 (twenty years ago) link

haha re 'Q' the magazine - I can't actually even LOOK at it any more, it's seemingly gone so upmarket that every time I leaf through a copy I fear a security guard is going to tap me on the shoulder. But then, the way things are going I'll probably soon feel the same re 'The Big Issue'

dave q, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:55 (twenty years ago) link

I guess you might need a bit of music theory as far as appreciating this stuff goes.

good grief no julio!! (unless "i learned to play by playing along with the first 2 omd albums" counts as musick theory)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 11:56 (twenty years ago) link

I haven't read Q magazine for years because I'm not interested in much of the music it writes about. But some people obviously are. Why hatred should be an appropriate response to this I have no idea. I certainly dislike the kind of people who profess to "hate" Q magazine more than I dislike the sort of people who read it.

ArfArf, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:03 (twenty years ago) link

I don't know how many people used the word "hate" yet besides yourself if any. That aside, is it inconceivable that someone think it a bad magazine because they don't like the way it covers music? what on earth would be wrong with that?

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:13 (twenty years ago) link

3 sentences. 3 non-sequiturs.

ArfArf, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:43 (twenty years ago) link

that was a neat sidestep wasn't it?

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 12:47 (twenty years ago) link

4

ArfArf, Tuesday, 4 November 2003 13:43 (twenty years ago) link

'q' in dave q = q magazine obv

If the name of the magazine was Dave Q and content was reflected accordingly, this would be a beautiful world.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 14:00 (twenty years ago) link

'Whatever. I've lost interest in defending music's arguable "timelessness" (and blame Geir for introducing that word to this thread, not me).''

what a cop-out. you agreed with geir!

Yeah, it is a bit of a cop-out, but it was never mind intention to start a thread about "timelessness," but rather about Q Magazine (and I don't see them as interwoven topics.)


Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 14:01 (twenty years ago) link

jesus, I'm losing my mind. It was never MY intention blah blah blah....

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 14:03 (twenty years ago) link

threads going in directions other than originally intended shockah!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 14:26 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, I know, but as you rightly observed, the "timelessness" argument is invariably a dead-end.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 4 November 2003 14:29 (twenty years ago) link

The problem with the Wire is that they have Ads instead of actual reviews.

bypasser Devon, Wednesday, 5 November 2003 09:13 (twenty years ago) link

Alex is right in that being a Brit seems to endow Q with a cultural baggage that is difficult to perceive from here. I haven't read it in a while, but I did find their capsule reviews much smarter and pithier than most writing in American mags, and their tendency to review a whole lot of albums per month quite laudable.

Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 09:29 (twenty years ago) link

"The problem with the Wire is that they have Ads instead of actual reviews."

That's not actually true though is it?

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 10:07 (twenty years ago) link

I think what he's talking abt is the amount of good reviews that the mag gives.

Its a fair point.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 10:14 (twenty years ago) link

Yes it is. 'Ads' implies that there's a paucity of critical comment in the reviews, however, which I don't think the magazine is guilty of. That's probably for another thread, though.

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 10:30 (twenty years ago) link

Btw. speaking of classical music, somebody mentioned the "Moonlight Sonata" earlier on. You realise that that work was more or less Beethoven's "Yesterday"?. And you are right, people are more familiar with that one (and "Für Elise") than they are with his Ninth Symphony (which would be more like his "Tomorrow Never Knows" in a way).

Doesn't this tell you that while cutting edge creativeness does get remembered, it is still the really great tunes that are really remembered?

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 23:20 (twenty years ago) link

I hurt myself yesterday, but I didn't hurt myself today. Doesn't that tell you that yesterday was objectively closer to being the Apocalypse than today is?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 6 November 2003 06:56 (twenty years ago) link

I ask Satan that very question each and every day!

jazz odysseus, Thursday, 6 November 2003 07:18 (twenty years ago) link

Its not replying to geir part 73584652.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 6 November 2003 09:10 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...
THE Q TONE

* Q will be:

Definitive

The inside story

Informative

Useful

Funny… but never whacky

Credible

All encompassing

Accessible

… And it will know what it’s talking about

* The 9 Do’s of Q writing/editorial:

1/ Do be smart, but never cleverer than the reader

2/ Do avoid stock phrases. Q will use language that is its own, not the latest in phrases/words/sayings. We stand apart.

3/ Do be the readers’ guide without patronising them.

4/ Do be irreverent, but do so with authority and affection.

5/ Do fear the pun.

6/ Do take our own view entirely separate from both hype and accepted wisdom.

7/ Do be passionate.

8/ Do be prepared to stick our necks out.

9/ Do deliver the complete picture.

* The 9 Don’ts of Q writing/editorial:

1/ Don’t dumb down for the reader.

2/ Don’t be lazy: ie. Using clichés, praising one artist at the expense of damning another.

3/ Don’t use flowery language.

4/ Don’t assume knowledge.

5/ Don’t be a smart arse.

6/ Don’t force the humour (ie. if a caption is best served with a simple piece of information, use it).

7/ Don’t assume knowledge.

8/ Don’t just ask the obvious question.

9/ Don’t ever write: ‘The best album since…’

MeejaInsider (MeejaInsider), Monday, 2 October 2006 10:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Do avoid stock phrases.

We stand apart.

stick out necks out.

the complete picture.

10. Do assume that all readers have the average mental capacity of a three-year-old Down's sufferer.

11. Do give at least four stars to new releases by major artists for fear they won't give the magazine an exclusive interview.

12. Scratch certain PR agencies' backs and they'll scratch yours. Particularly applicable to those contributors who are contracted to write exclusively about artists handled by one specific PR agency.

13. Do not use language. Emoticons and star ratings are all our thrusting Thatcherkid readership has time to require.

14. Emap shareholders pay your wages.

15. Do be compliant.

16. David Cameron will be the next Prime Minister.

17. Do remember that music has been shit since "Friday I'm In Love" by the Cure.

18. Do not under any circumstances cite track seventeen of the second Bubonique album.

19. We are in charge.

20. Any Trouble are the great hope for 2007.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 2 October 2006 10:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Q magazine - established mainstream music of the 80s and 90s, plus following whatever NME hypes in the 00s

DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 2 October 2006 10:48 (seventeen years ago) link

1/ Do be smart, but never cleverer than the reader

1/ Don’t dumb down for the reader.


AAAAAAHHHHH what's a smart-ass to do????

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Why do they even need all those rules when album reviews are capsuled at only 8- words?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:17 (seventeen years ago) link

The reason why hip-hop and dance-fans hate Q is that Q does write about hip-hop and dance, only they don't give those genres more attention than they deserve.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 2 October 2006 11:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Shouldn't that be: THE 50 GREATEST "Q" DOS AND DON'TS OF ALL TIME!

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 2 October 2006 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link

LOOK, JOHN LYDON AGREES WITH ME!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 2 October 2006 22:39 (seventeen years ago) link

HI ALEX!!!! good to see you on ILM!!

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 2 October 2006 22:55 (seventeen years ago) link

How noble of Q Magazine Lifetime Achievement Award winner John Lydon to speak approvingly of Q Magazine.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 06:35 (seventeen years ago) link

whoops, you mean ‘Inspiration Award.’

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 07:54 (seventeen years ago) link

yikes! that rotating jpg that now adorns the top of this thread! What a rogues gallery (Kate 'n' Madonna 'n' Britney exempted).

also - who the flippin 'eck is Johnny Borrell?

zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

who the flippin 'eck is Johnny Borrell?

The git out of Razorlight, prone to pronouncing his own genius at every given opportunity.

Neil Stewart (Neil Stewart), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link

"because it's for old farts. semi-bald, somewhat overweight high school teachers in their late thirties who worship jimi hendrix's ghost and wish for the second coming of grunge. or U2. or both."

Yo, I don't fit into any of those categories and I read Q.

Although I am vaguely thinking of giving it up in light of the fact that they're going to dump their free CDs and their movie, DVD and game reviews. Of course, if the dumping of the above reviews means longer write-ups per CD, then I might stay.

Another thing is - why the heck do they kiss ass to Johnny Borrell all the ****ing time? His band's 'music' isn't even that good. I bought the first CD, and it was mostly crap, with only one half-decent song. I don't want to even touch CD#2 with a 10-foot pole, thank you very much. And yet they're claiming JB to be the greatest genius of the C21, or something like that. WHYYY?!

GLC (ZakAce), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

oh, the choices choices

http://www.q4music.com/nav?page=q4music.about.currentissue

wonder which one my outer sticks newsagent will have stocked.

odds on for the britney spears cover ? doubtful.

while the choice of folks is obvious on the whole (no hip hop??), the dido one is rather baffling.

should mojo be getting concerned over this new direction i wonder, a direct assualt on the £50 man, or whatever tag they give the poor bugger these days.

though i do like the revised focus back onto music - i may just give it one last go (the dreadful naked courtney love issue was the previous last straw for me)

mark e (mark e), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 23:02 (seventeen years ago) link

is this thread a joke?

baboon2004 (baboon2004), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

"Publishing first"?

Loaded mag did this, years ago. Tons of alternate covers, all were spectacularly good.

After that, they'd jumped the shark. But what a shark!

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 07:25 (seventeen years ago) link

while the choice of folks is obvious on the whole (no hip hop??), the dido one is rather baffling.

apparently the dido one was a last minute change. it was going to be pj harvey - except she answered the question "what does q mean to you now?" with "er, not much, i don't really consider it a music magazine any more" and was immediately pulled.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 07:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Hah! rayyyy for PJ!

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 07:42 (seventeen years ago) link

"surely the equiv. of London Review of Books would be London Review of CDs?"

The London Review of Books doesn't just review books, though - it also carries long, stand-alone articles about politics, current affairs etc. I like the idea of the London Review of Music, I must say.

bham (bham), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 07:45 (seventeen years ago) link

woah that britney cover (tries not to have any feelings for it other than admiration of her impending motherhood)

Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 08:07 (seventeen years ago) link

So, any ideas on how can we go about making the idea a reality? (xpost)

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:15 (seventeen years ago) link

it would help if anyone had lots of spare cash floating around!

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe I ought to go on Dragons Den with the idea.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:23 (seventeen years ago) link

The London Review of Books doesn't just review books, though - it also carries long, stand-alone articles about politics, current affairs etc. I like the idea of the London Review of Music, I must say.

I've often thought about this. The LRB did review a Herbert CD though!

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 09:25 (seventeen years ago) link


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