this is the thread where the ILM massive teach mark s a *LESSON*

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jel -- (jel), Saturday, 25 September 2004 14:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
i. dear god it is nearly two years since i started this project
ii. i have still not tracked down my vinyl copy of metal machine music = am still not free of the tug of ilm
iii. lady di if you are reading i have not forgotten
iv. i have been kinda busy w.this and that, and this looks likely to continue BUT i really do plan to hack a few more of these, but i nthe meantime

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 1 January 2005 14:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i. hi mark!!
ii. happy 2005 to you too!
iii. update yr blog too if you get the time please!

m. (mitchlnw), Saturday, 1 January 2005 15:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

update on its way (er prob not today tho)!

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 1 January 2005 15:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i. happy new year mark.
ii. I read yr book and enjoyed it immensely.
iii. 'connecting and connecting...'

cºzen (Cozen), Saturday, 1 January 2005 16:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

mark, while we are giving you things to do, I'd like to recommend Ned Sublette's recent Cuba & Its Music (which I assume you know about, and may even have read for all I know).

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 1 January 2005 16:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

you were not very nice to somebody (composer) in your rise and spral (of horrible noise, not yr behind the music rise and sprawl). you know who i mean. listen again. then come to the Real Dirty South (the one where we can't afford ipods and Lil Jon CDs). and make and sell and buy and even listen to loose joints (in the mixtape sense). on the street. keeping your bias normal, your case low, your new year off-white, and represent.

don, Saturday, 1 January 2005 16:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

listen to aussie pop in 80s - wa wa nee "sugar free"

paul grey, Saturday, 1 January 2005 17:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

from failing memory, isn't john oswald is the only person i'm unremittingly nasty to in rise and sprawl (unless you count j!m de r0gat!s as a composer, or mark lamarr)?

(but it's a very long piece so i probbly said a million things i no longer think especially)

i don't own and can't afford an ipod :(

rockist i own records by ned s. but i never read him: but one of the records i really really like - ever-wideining circles, the one he did w.the persuasions - so i will give that book a go some time

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 1 January 2005 17:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I was going to link to my thread about the book, but I think that must be one of the lost threads. Anyway, it's very good, and much of it should be of interest to anyone interested in the musical interactions between Africa, the New World, and Europe.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 1 January 2005 17:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Kind of like a less rockcriticerly, more expansive, Stomp and Swerve, but focusing on a different musical center.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 1 January 2005 17:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yes of course I meant Oswald. It's the name isnt it. Put yr patriotism aside just that much ok? (Larue do you like Irakere? I like the LP ca. '78, from before several of their MVP jumped ship, pretty much literally. Does he talk about them, and/or Charlie Haden's Liberation Music Orchestra?)

don, Saturday, 1 January 2005 18:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The Sublette book only goes up to the 50s. He has a second volume planned. I'm actually not that big a fan of Cuban music per se. I prefer Puerto Rican/NuYorican/Colombian stylings, but still, the basic foundation for salsa comes via Cuba, so I am interested. I haven't liked anything I've heard by Irakere.

RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 1 January 2005 18:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i happy end of 2004
ii miss scanning a ILX thread to get mark's take on the question
iii should mail you a disc of music

nick.K (nick.K), Saturday, 1 January 2005 19:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

haha don i just realised that wz you!!

but i am still trying to codecrack the patriotism gag

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 January 2005 02:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i did in fact grow up near a town named for the fact that a long-ago saxon king called oswald hid in a a tree once (or wz killed by a tree or something)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 January 2005 02:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

but i'm saving the details of that for my sleater-kinner lesson

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 January 2005 02:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Lee Harvey" was what I had in mind (relates to yr. patriotism cause Blair is Bush's poodle and your Prime Minister, nyah nyah, nah nah nah)(Bush is *my whut whut) Intriguing bout the tree (seriously), but I'll wait for the sleater-kinner(?) lesson. In the meantime, more musical recs: RIO BAILE FUNK:FAVELA BOOTY BEATS and Daara J's BOOMERAN and reggaeton too, cos you need a sunny vacation I would imagine (more UK stereotyping but still!)

don, Sunday, 2 January 2005 04:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Sleater-Kinner fuckin suck dog balls

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 2 January 2005 05:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Really? Too bad. Sleater-Kinney's pretty good, though.

don, Sunday, 2 January 2005 05:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
hey mark just wanted to say hi. i dig radio free narnia...see ya.

Destroy A. Monsters (Destroy A. Monsters), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

man that louis prima story justifies ilm in its entirety

acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

di is back so maybe i shd do my tyrannosaurus rex one AT LAST

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

and thx abt rfn -- sorry it's been a bit far-and-few-between lately

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

is your beef with oswald easily summarized?

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i am back! i am here! i am reading! i am writhing with anticipation!

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

that beef w.oswald:
he had an extremely feeble video piece in the show i talk about in the rise-and-sprawl piece, as well as what i recall as a very smug cover interview in the wire round about the same time -- the culture-jamming meme was more than a bit played at that point, but no one challenged him on this

so i wz very grumpy at him -- ppl told me afterwards i was bein unfair, and that's totally possible -- i wz just fed of readin how Amazingly Daringly Subversive he was Pokin Fun at Pop, i think, and never anything abt how else his stuff maybe worked

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ah ok -- his video works aren't my favorite either. I wouldn't call him smug, but he's definitely self-id's as art-world & thus rubs some people the wrong way, especially these days now that 'sampling' seems so obvious as to be politically inert

that 2 CD 'plunderphonic' box is a little indigestable, but I think you might like his 'WX' from 1983 or the revised 'Plexure' if you're curious about how he earned his rep

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

WX = scroll down to final 11 tracks

milton parker (Jon L), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

(just bumpi'nso asto keep 'eh lessons withinteh mark s's visibleness, wellhopefully)

tiit (tiit), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 00:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

(mock me willya?) Um, if i can still make suggestions mark how about "Breaking the Split Screen Barrier" by Kim Deal's garage band The Amps?

Destroy A. Monsters (Destroy A. Monsters), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 22:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

early post by me^

I wish these were still going on...would love to hear him unpack a Breeders/Amps song or two; somewhere around here Sinker talks about having a shot with Kelley Deal

taking drugbs (to make music to take drugbs to) (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 23 June 2011 22:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

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