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What kind of hippies call in The Man?

milo z, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 00:56 (sixteen years ago) link

This is his mug shot -

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/4362/baburningmanburner104zh2.jpg

svend, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:36 (sixteen years ago) link

HERO

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:38 (sixteen years ago) link

They could just rename it this year and call it Burnt Man

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:39 (sixteen years ago) link

burning man is really the lamest thing i can think of

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Our grants manager is out this week because she's at burning man for the 5th year straight. She's a hoola hooper. Blech.

ENBB, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:41 (sixteen years ago) link

why?

xpost

chaki, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:42 (sixteen years ago) link

naked self righteous hippies, aweful art, radical self expression, dust, etc

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:46 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.damer.com/pictures/events/burningman99/people/Image34.jpg
NIGHTMARE VACATION

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:51 (sixteen years ago) link

I can think of a few lamer things.

U R HATAH

schwantz, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:01 (sixteen years ago) link

. "Everyone is looking at it this morning, this big black figure in the sky and that wasn't supposed to burn, saying 'Now what do we do?'"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:05 (sixteen years ago) link

no really it sounds so terrible to me

the desperate search for meaning in some indulgent desert bullshit is really sort of icky

at least thats the impression ive gotten from every attendee ive ever spoken with

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Where does a hyper-jaded cynical person like you ever come into contact with all these wide-eyed naifs? I gave my real take on Burning Man WAAAY upthread, so I won't repeat myself, but I think that you are (probably deliberately) getting a weirdly skewed take on the whole deal.

schwantz, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:21 (sixteen years ago) link

it was good drunk fun in the desert the one time i went. i can't understand the vitriol of someone who has never been.

jergïns, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Searching for meaning is like, so desperate.

schwantz, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Where does a hyper-jaded cynical person like you ever come into contact with all these wide-eyed naifs?

ha perfect! funny how closely radical inclusion, immediacy, civic responsibility, whatever; resembles bitter accusatory escapism.

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:32 (sixteen years ago) link

zing!...?

schwantz, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:34 (sixteen years ago) link

to answer yr question i can think of 5 people i know who are repeat attendees. and im sure ive talked to some others at parties or something.

the search for meaning isnt necessarily desperate, it's actually pretty much universally human. but in this case it does look pretty pitiful. sort of a christian rock concert vibe in it's aggressive abandonment of critical intelligence and intense devotion to concept.

as for the it's just a big party argument. im sure you could just go for the fun. but it seems most burning people do attach way more importance to the thing. most parties dont have manifestos.

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:40 (sixteen years ago) link

also i just have a really hard time w/hot dusty environments and loud freeeaaky people

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:43 (sixteen years ago) link

fair

jergïns, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Speaking of The Man

Wall Street executives at Burning Man? You bet. Though there’s nothing farther from the cutthroat, moneymaking world of Wall Street than the anticapitalist, anticorporate festival of radical self-expression known as Burning Man, we found several New York business executives and Wall Street types who are heading out West this week and staying through Labor Day. In the dusty, storm-ridden desert flatlands north of Reno, Nevada, is a place dubbed Black Rock City, home of the biggest little countercultural festival in the world.

“I first went out there in 2003 because a classmate from the Stanford Business School had an art project on the playa,” says a senior executive for a major Wall Street company, who asked not to be named. One of the main draws for him and most of the other 50,000 participants expected this year are the massive collaborative art projects, like last year’s giant Belgian Waffle or the 50-foot stick figure that gets torched at the end of the week—the burning man that gives the festival its name.

“That’s the attraction. You create something from nothing, it’s remarkable for a short period of time, and then it’s gone,” says the executive, whose own participation includes cooking gourmet meals and distributing them for free to the masses. Other attendees contribute three-dimensional creative works, all of which result in a temporary psychedelic city of art and theme camps on “the playa,” the ancient lakebed where the event is held.

The Stanford classmate in 2003 created a multimedia installation that paid tribute to the sun, with trapeze artists performing at sunset, music synchronized with the sunrise, and, thanks to the creative tinkering of a couple of Silicon Valley engineers, a sound system with light projections. “You could actually watch the sound emanating through the light across the playa.”

But this is hardly the first time business people have attended the festival. Past attendees from the business world include Amazon C.E.O. Jeff Bezos, Google co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin, and Google C.E.O. Eric Schmidt, among others.

Of course, because the nature of Burning Man is to leave all commercial trappings behind, the organizers of the event are loath to tally the number and type of professionals in attendance, although a spokeswoman noted that “we do have a large group coming for their corporate retreat this year. They are building an art project.”

And the business folks who go (albeit anonymously, in the spirit of the event) say they get something out of this nonhierarchical, open-society environment. “When I return, I think I’m a far better executive, in terms of innovation and creativity,” says the senior executive. “And each year that I come back, I’m better for it. I think my team and my company are better for it. I stay creative and expose myself to new ideas.”

Leslie Bucksor, a partner in a New York financial-consulting firm, and his wife, Cory, will be camping out with his business partner this year; this will be his 10th year on the playa. And he may do business, if the necessity arises. In 2002, Bucksor left the camp three times to work on patent applications at Bruno’s Casino and Country Club, a nearby desert dive. “If it’s the only way I can be there, I will do it,” Bucksor says. “It’s such an important experience for me.”

Leaving the playa is the only way to conduct business in this commercial-free zone. Cell-phone coverage and internet access are very limited, and there’s no commerce whatsoever. The mini-countercultural civilization survives on gift giving; even bartering is not allowed.

But if no cash changes hands on the playa, it certainly does ahead of time. Going to Burning Man is not cheap, with presale tickets starting at $195 and going up to $350 at the gate. Plus, attendees have a massive preparation list: food, water, tents, sleeping bags, glow-in-the-dark anything, bikes, and goggles and dust masks for surviving the dust storms. And more and more participants are stepping up the experience with decked-out R.V.’s and luxury camps equipped with extensive high-tech elements and semipermanent buildings.

James Okura, who runs his own art-production company, sets up an air-conditioned fake-fur-lined tent and tunnel system he calls the Geisha House. “We provide chilled sake in an office watercooler and Japanese snacks. Our motto is ‘You are your own geisha.’ ”

“People have definitely stepped it up for luxury,” says a hedge fund trader in his thirties, who’s going this year with some heavy hitters in media and finance. “This will be my first year going in an R.V.: The Four Seasons version of Burning Man.”

Newbies are in for an exercise in surviving in a very noncompetitive, open atmosphere—attributes that are exactly the opposite of the Wall Street and hedge fund worlds. It’s not for everyone.

“The Wall Street crowd at Burning Man is very small,” says the hedge fund trader. “I would not encourage anyone I work with to go. I see how people are in this business, and I would not trust them to engage the experience as it should be engaged.” He went for the first time in 2001 with friends from San Francisco.

The trader is afraid the playa will be polluted with what he refers to as the “aggressive indulgence that is part and parcel of New York City, particularly of those in high-powered, high-paying jobs.”

Such people may have the wrong idea about the festival. “People think it’s a big drug-sex thing out there when it’s really, really not,” the trader says. “It couldn’t be farther from the truth.”

Celebrities such as Sting, Courtney Cox, and Robin Williams have been known to go in previous years, but there are no V.I.P.’s at Burning Man, and that’s part of its appeal. “The Burning Man spirit,” says the trader. “I’ve seen it overwhelm people out there. If everybody went once, the world would be a cooler place.”

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:48 (sixteen years ago) link

it isn't nearly as dogmatic, in person, as you might imagine.

i should probably qualify all i say with "I went 10 years ago." i wonder how much it's changed.

jergïns, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Finally something that the hippie and the hedge fund trader can agree upon - the hopes that "aggressive indulgence" won't spoil the playa

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:50 (sixteen years ago) link

more like Earning Man these days amirite

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:52 (sixteen years ago) link

the hopes that "aggressive indulgence" won't spoil the playa

Don't hate the playa, hate the sunburn.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:00 (sixteen years ago) link

i should probably qualify all i say with "I went 10 years ago." i wonder how much it's changed.

Well apparently, the burning of the Burning Man takes place on Tuesdays now.

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:05 (sixteen years ago) link

i like how he's being charged w/arson for burning the burning man

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:08 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.kqed.org/topics/local/gallery/images/sadstare345x549.jpg
whaaa the radical self-expression decommodification and immediacy was supposed to be on saturdaaay ;_;

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:13 (sixteen years ago) link

call the police

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:13 (sixteen years ago) link

burner dude i crown thee King 'That Guy'

tremendoid, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:15 (sixteen years ago) link

jhøshea u sound like a dik

chaki, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:17 (sixteen years ago) link

fu lol

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:21 (sixteen years ago) link

chaki likes it when people express themselves in a controlled, disciplined, tightly anarchic manner.

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Sleepy Hippie: So how was the eclipse?
Wacky Hippie: THEY BURNED THE BURNING MAN LAST NIGHT!
Sleepy Hippie: Wow, that was some nap I took. I thought today was Tuesday!

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:33 (sixteen years ago) link

sleepy hippie otm

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:34 (sixteen years ago) link

The only other time I've seen the words 'the playa' used so much was in a Cormac McCarthy book.

badg, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 04:22 (sixteen years ago) link

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/KarenAK/BurningMonkVietnam1963.jpg

gabbneb, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 06:04 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.clusterflock.org/52107956_496c943a3a.jpg

gabbneb, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 06:05 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.monkfish-abbey.org/wp-content/images/monkfish_burning_man.jpg

gabbneb, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 06:06 (sixteen years ago) link

http://boingboing.net/images/naked-people-and-ship-xj.jpg

gabbneb, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 06:06 (sixteen years ago) link

I still love Shakey's "one of the central catchphrases"

gabbneb, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 06:11 (sixteen years ago) link

and only incidentally because it sounds like quoting from Chairman Mao

gabbneb, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 06:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Playa Suicide

A Burning Man participant was found dead this morning, hanging from the inside of a two-story high tent, according to Mark Pirtle, special agent in charge for the Bureau of Land Management.

The apparent suicide would be the festival's first in its 21 year history, Pirtle said.

Pershing County coroners are investigating the scene and preparing to remove the body. Pirtle said the man was hanging for two hours before anyone in the large tent thought to bring him down. "His friends thought he was doing an art piece," Pirtle said.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 31 August 2007 04:24 (sixteen years ago) link

three years pass...

do they light people on fire at this, or

markers, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link

roll call. my first year. who else went?

Milton Parker, Monday, 6 September 2010 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link

did it make you more or less misanthropic?

sarahel, Monday, 6 September 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link

more like suggesting ban

am0n, Monday, 6 September 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link

this is a pretty interesting thread. living in san francisco, my reactions were similar to the bile expressed at first: even though I liked the idea, the impression given by the most vocal supporters was always alienating, and it seemed that each year the window was closing at it skewed further towards one big rave

and basically -- it's all true, every single negative thing you hear and see about it, you will absolutely encounter there, and the ugly parts tend to be the loudest and therefore provide the first impressions. but at the periphery there are still those things that can only happen in that environment, and you can only really understand what they are by going.

the first three days were profoundly demoralizing. the cost of realizing a temporary autonomous zone that lets you do whatever the fuck you want is the horror of learning what the majority of other people get up to when they get to do whatever the fuck they want. but there was much more to the festival, quietly going on everywhere. and it is impossible to sum up for you, other than when a survivalist camping environment reaches the size of a small city, there is a very different social order at work. and you can compare it to the social order of the city you live in.

and as it went on the initial wave of depravity faded a bit. the people who'd shown up for the wrong reasons were dropping away as casualties. the partying had a different feel by friday -- once the dust storms started kicking in, with visibility often going down to about 30 feet, the only people still dancing were the ones who were prepared. there are 20 stories I could tell, but in that climate, even the hedonism gained a conscious, survivalist aspect.

it's as depressing as it is inspiring, and the frightening aspects are only going to keep getting louder. but there are still things that can only happen there, even now that this festival has reached 60,000 people.

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:31 (thirteen years ago) link

maybe a major difference between your experience and my experience, is that you actually enjoyed raves in the early 90s, and i didn't.

sarahel, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:33 (thirteen years ago) link


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