rolling stupid fruity crazy swag thread

i think Gucci has a certain influence on a lot of latter trap and/or swag rap, but a lot of times his influence is harder to distinguish from the more dominant (or at least more easily recognizable) influences of Jeezy in the fomer case and Soulja Boy in the latter case. "sea-change" is of course a pretty strong overstatement, but it's deej, what're you gonna do.

well gucci has the force of personality thing (like how the few differently perfect "gucci" enunciations sum this up) as well as the crazy wordplay and like pushing a few themes further and further out there.

but beyond that honestly i'm not sure how much of the newness deej hears in things is "objective". seems like he fiends for something that he recognizes as innovation and then he meditates on that, which is obv. cool with me because it generates really good ideas, deepens understanding, and just plain points out interesting stuff in the music.

forks there is a thread on ilm where you can read the answer to your question typed out a dozen times over by the same poster you put it to.

well i think to a huge degree the notion of 'innovation' is a fiction anyway. but as ive pointed out too many times before to have to keep repeating, the nature of his rapping is whats pretty groundbreaking imo, the way hes created a style that allows him to release as many songs as he has while keeping them all lyrically fresh -- that he could release what would have been a career's worth of music in the 90s in a single year in 2009, and have it all be really consistent & listenable, by picking a pretty narrow set of themes & coming up w/ tons of variations (taking sides: high like a) giraffe pussy b) an owl c) eagle on california reefer d) do you see the trees? e) like a skyscraper etc etc etc on to infinity), is pretty amazing. i mean, compare to projects like freeway's month of madness where each track is diminishing returns from the one before ... his way w/ a hook & his persona & humor make this 'work' & maybe im not articulating this well enough but i think theres absolutely something here that isnt being done before. And sounds extremely diff from lil wayne's market invasion -- i mean, hes created a hundred individually different songs in a single year (more than that actually) -- not freestyles over existing beats, but hundreds of songs, and of course they're of varying quality but they mostly 'work'

aka samosa gibreel otm

are other rappers going to pick up on it? id say its likely it will have a lot of diff influences, but its not like the evolution of rapping styles behaves in an entirely predictable pattern. but hes still one of rap's biggest performers & will unavoidably have a huge influence so im not really sure how it could be anything less than a 'sea change' the same way it was for wayne, for jay-z, for juvenile, for pac, for too short, for tons of other rappers who've impacted the evolution of how-rappers-actually-rap

Noun, 1. deeja vu - the uncanny sensation that you are having a debate about Gucci Mane that you have already experienced before

i mean everyone thought the bomb squad was 'groundbreaking' & then no producers really picked up on that style afterwords & instead it was the chronic's style that became the 'sea change.' im saying that from a rapping perspective if i was a gambling man id put my money on gucci being closer to the chronic than to nation of millions in terms of aesthetic influence

haha im trying to add on new points to make it worth your while \Oo/

dont really think 'sea change' is all that great of hyperbole though

i mean, if we're talking about it w/in the realm of 'rapping styles' his is pretty a) singular b) popular c) novel d) functionally effective

which are probably the four keys for that kind of impact right??

tbh 'sea change' is one of those phrases that i'd shy away from ever using so it's not really for me to say whether you're using it wrong or not

sea change: it's not just an album in the beck discography

yeah samosa otm, see also these couple of posts tho you left out "eazy e drop top so my car is roofles". pretty sure i read that thread before after googling lemonade lyrics when state v radric leaked btw. i wasn't talking just abt gucci but also nu-bay etc. obviously if you were horribly wrong, it wouldn't make the sense it makes. really the only problem i have with it is the contrarian thing where you might shit on other acts even if u don't think they're wack, as if they're stealing ur guys shine or omg lol @ ppl listening to the wrong stuff. don't think you do much of that, but i'd hate to see you shitting on yelawolf a few articles about him down the line.

*"roofless"

call the car rofls

the one thing that gucci did was force his way into a deal/career with big street mixtapes that were all original songs. obv doing original mixtapes in of itself isn't novel, but putting them out at the rate that he did dwarfs even the stuff wayne did imo because so much of his tapes -- no matter how good they were -- were freestyles over existing beats or just raps over new beats. gucci's mixtapes have fully formed songs & tons of them could've been hits if they were pushed (and "wasted" itself was)

lol yes "call the car" and he didn't even leave it out wtf

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh4P0z2d5gt7za0u71 speaking of wtf

ahaha i love diddy

i don't fuck with fake hoes
i only touch j. lo's

^ dope line

well not so much that i think they're stealing shine or w/e but just that imo its kinda important to see gradients of ... not quality but like, impact, and popularity (im avoiding "importance"), and, like, perspective? aesthetic contributions? i dont know. trying to deal as honestly as possible w/ what appeals about certain acts to me. i mean, theres a reason j stalin resonates to me more than pill & i think that the difference is worth noting

the cool thing about the pill/gibbs/whoever debate to me is that its finally putting down the lie that this was ever about 'realness'/drug raps being the important focal point in, like, the split btween media-friendly critically acclaimed raps & unacclaimed populist rappers. like, that theres an actual aesthetic debate going on here for me that isnt & has never been about 'oh these dudes are rapping about drugs ergo GOOD' which is kind of how these arguments would get caricatured in the past ... but now gangster rap is on both 'sides' of this debate

that yo gotti tape is great, but what the fuck's with 'women lie, men lie.' it's the single and the most novel-sounding song, yet it's got the two worst verses (besides yung la, who i otherwise like too) on the entire tape on it. it's such a wasted opportunity.

it's a single!

this been posted?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73LfWaEjg5Y

beat is kinda ridic

Soulja Boy Tell 'Em is slowly becoming one of my favourite artists :S

'check out my grill ... george foreman' is bad but 'all black everything feelin like a blind man' is good

i could see dude becoming a major artist just by incorporating all the diff influences together that he works with

'all black everything feelin like a blind man' is good

yeah, that was my favorite line on first listening

i could see dude becoming a major artist just by incorporating all the diff influences together that he works with

― average gangsta rap from average gangstas (deej), Sunday, February 7, 2010 2:16 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

"turn my swag on" is kinda like... drumma boy + wayne?

yeah this beat is wild

i think the hook is all soulja boy actually. that atonal sing-song is pretty much what he brings to the game.

i mean more in terms of rapping, the foreman grill line is like off our young money thread, the blind man line is gucciish
& he raps like post-lil wayne style, plus that lil b weirdo influence

the fast verse at the end is the best part imo, also kind of guccish

all black everything even my pinky ring
never say "who are we?" look at the jewelry

haha i wouldn't assign horrible george forman lines solely to young money

& yeah he explicitly bites gucci with the thunder/lightning thing

xp it's the construction, not the punchline itself

(although obv the punch is played x infinity)

"To beat me you're gonna need George and four men" is prob still my fav foreman ref, Punchline on Stretch & Bobbito, late 90s. </yrgrandpa>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS4pfAv-e7Q

future hit imo

i wouldn't mind hearing that all over the place

i'll just put this here

http://thequietus.com/articles/03662-this-month-in-us-hip-hop-by-neil-kulkarni

cut out the railing against nothing, the first six, often huge, paragraphs and edit the seventh and it seems okay to me as one guy's wrap up? think last time i read dude he was talking about the "nowness" of foo fighters tho so you know

lol i can't tell if he's joking repeating SR's "Yung Doc" line or not, i remember another response article at the time mentioning "the Gummi Bares" in earnest though.

this is kinda off topic

but have you guys ever read "Can't Stop, Won't Stop" by Jeff Chang?

loving this book, really well researched and really gives you the actual accounts of stuff that exists more as legend anymore, like kool herc's parties, the early 70s warriors-type gangs like black spades, nomads, etc; the rise of the zulu nation, grandmaster flash coming up, etc...

really good book

yeah it's pretty good on the early stuff building on Toop and Hager though the urgent journalistic style veers from compelling to kinda lol at times.

i liked the specificity of the research like drawing on NYT articles in the early 70s about fires and insurance fraud to give a sense of the bronx as this left for dead bombed out place in the wake of the cross-bronx expressway, plus the contention that the undermining of the panthers by cointelpro etc. created the vacuum for those pre-zulu nation gangs to form. never really considered that before.

all the bronx stuff was great, he seems to do a good job of research...also i didn't know how crazy jamaican politics and the gangs were in kingston

yeah he gets a little too effusive at times, writing wise...but lots of really cool little tidbits, like i just read a couple paragraphs on how some of the the graffiti pioneers are annoyed that history has made graffiti part of hip hop, when it predates hip hop and a lot of them didn't even listen to hip hop...then it says ZEPHYR and his crew actually listened to the Grateful Dead and Hot Tuna and were influenced by Roger Dean's Yes album covers...which totally makes sense if you think about how he did the Yes logos and titles so stylized, as being a real building block in graffiti writing