rolling stupid fruity crazy swag thread

tbh i recommend googling around & finding jacka's "shooterz" mixtape cuz it gives a broader idea of his persona i think, than a few isolated youtubes

can't find the pack mixtape anywhere, what's the deal with that goons?

"the only rapper who has made any kind of sea-change rap style in the past couple years is gucci"

i think i need to have a clearer understanding of what you mean by 'sea-change' because the first person who comes to mind that's really altered the landscape and sound of hip hop for both new and old cats over the past few years is Wayne.

wayne did before him. his style changes were happening in like '05 - '06

'07

the last couple years = '08, '09 = gucci. lil wayne's style was already pretty established at this pt

so you'd argue that gucci's sound/style/flow/approach has drastically affected the landscape? Can you give some solid, national examples of new and old rappers embracing it for sales/artistic sake? Cause there's not much on, say, even Shine Blockas for instance that feels like it's a song with his imperative guiding it.

imo o'course.

shine blockas is a horrible example dude. thats a boring gucci cameo & nothing like 99% of his work & is generally overrated

anyway wait til monday, im doing a post about a bunch of this stuff

i shd note though that usually you have 'point of impact' which is followed by 'artists influenced' & that just cuz jay-z was changing the game in the late 90s it wasnt til the mid 00s that wayne starting running with that, it didnt mean that listeners didnt notice jay was changing the game while it was happening (although he def wasnt getting that respect from 99% of the corners he does now)

xp um, okay. just seems like most of gucci's best known national songs (and they're pretty much all cameos) like LOL:), Shine, Break Up, Get It don't sound like 99% of his work and his one breakthrough hit hardly sounded purely unique to him either.

i think Gucci has a certain influence on a lot of latter trap and/or swag rap, but a lot of times his influence is harder to distinguish from the more dominant (or at least more easily recognizable) influences of Jeezy in the fomer case and Soulja Boy in the latter case. "sea-change" is of course a pretty strong overstatement, but it's deej, what're you gonna do.

well gucci has the force of personality thing (like how the few differently perfect "gucci" enunciations sum this up) as well as the crazy wordplay and like pushing a few themes further and further out there.

but beyond that honestly i'm not sure how much of the newness deej hears in things is "objective". seems like he fiends for something that he recognizes as innovation and then he meditates on that, which is obv. cool with me because it generates really good ideas, deepens understanding, and just plain points out interesting stuff in the music.

forks there is a thread on ilm where you can read the answer to your question typed out a dozen times over by the same poster you put it to.

well i think to a huge degree the notion of 'innovation' is a fiction anyway. but as ive pointed out too many times before to have to keep repeating, the nature of his rapping is whats pretty groundbreaking imo, the way hes created a style that allows him to release as many songs as he has while keeping them all lyrically fresh -- that he could release what would have been a career's worth of music in the 90s in a single year in 2009, and have it all be really consistent & listenable, by picking a pretty narrow set of themes & coming up w/ tons of variations (taking sides: high like a) giraffe pussy b) an owl c) eagle on california reefer d) do you see the trees? e) like a skyscraper etc etc etc on to infinity), is pretty amazing. i mean, compare to projects like freeway's month of madness where each track is diminishing returns from the one before ... his way w/ a hook & his persona & humor make this 'work' & maybe im not articulating this well enough but i think theres absolutely something here that isnt being done before. And sounds extremely diff from lil wayne's market invasion -- i mean, hes created a hundred individually different songs in a single year (more than that actually) -- not freestyles over existing beats, but hundreds of songs, and of course they're of varying quality but they mostly 'work'

aka samosa gibreel otm

are other rappers going to pick up on it? id say its likely it will have a lot of diff influences, but its not like the evolution of rapping styles behaves in an entirely predictable pattern. but hes still one of rap's biggest performers & will unavoidably have a huge influence so im not really sure how it could be anything less than a 'sea change' the same way it was for wayne, for jay-z, for juvenile, for pac, for too short, for tons of other rappers who've impacted the evolution of how-rappers-actually-rap

Noun, 1. deeja vu - the uncanny sensation that you are having a debate about Gucci Mane that you have already experienced before

i mean everyone thought the bomb squad was 'groundbreaking' & then no producers really picked up on that style afterwords & instead it was the chronic's style that became the 'sea change.' im saying that from a rapping perspective if i was a gambling man id put my money on gucci being closer to the chronic than to nation of millions in terms of aesthetic influence

haha im trying to add on new points to make it worth your while \Oo/

dont really think 'sea change' is all that great of hyperbole though

i mean, if we're talking about it w/in the realm of 'rapping styles' his is pretty a) singular b) popular c) novel d) functionally effective

which are probably the four keys for that kind of impact right??

tbh 'sea change' is one of those phrases that i'd shy away from ever using so it's not really for me to say whether you're using it wrong or not

sea change: it's not just an album in the beck discography

yeah samosa otm, see also these couple of posts tho you left out "eazy e drop top so my car is roofles". pretty sure i read that thread before after googling lemonade lyrics when state v radric leaked btw. i wasn't talking just abt gucci but also nu-bay etc. obviously if you were horribly wrong, it wouldn't make the sense it makes. really the only problem i have with it is the contrarian thing where you might shit on other acts even if u don't think they're wack, as if they're stealing ur guys shine or omg lol @ ppl listening to the wrong stuff. don't think you do much of that, but i'd hate to see you shitting on yelawolf a few articles about him down the line.

*"roofless"

call the car rofls

the one thing that gucci did was force his way into a deal/career with big street mixtapes that were all original songs. obv doing original mixtapes in of itself isn't novel, but putting them out at the rate that he did dwarfs even the stuff wayne did imo because so much of his tapes -- no matter how good they were -- were freestyles over existing beats or just raps over new beats. gucci's mixtapes have fully formed songs & tons of them could've been hits if they were pushed (and "wasted" itself was)

lol yes "call the car" and he didn't even leave it out wtf

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh4P0z2d5gt7za0u71 speaking of wtf

ahaha i love diddy

i don't fuck with fake hoes
i only touch j. lo's

^ dope line

well not so much that i think they're stealing shine or w/e but just that imo its kinda important to see gradients of ... not quality but like, impact, and popularity (im avoiding "importance"), and, like, perspective? aesthetic contributions? i dont know. trying to deal as honestly as possible w/ what appeals about certain acts to me. i mean, theres a reason j stalin resonates to me more than pill & i think that the difference is worth noting

the cool thing about the pill/gibbs/whoever debate to me is that its finally putting down the lie that this was ever about 'realness'/drug raps being the important focal point in, like, the split btween media-friendly critically acclaimed raps & unacclaimed populist rappers. like, that theres an actual aesthetic debate going on here for me that isnt & has never been about 'oh these dudes are rapping about drugs ergo GOOD' which is kind of how these arguments would get caricatured in the past ... but now gangster rap is on both 'sides' of this debate

that yo gotti tape is great, but what the fuck's with 'women lie, men lie.' it's the single and the most novel-sounding song, yet it's got the two worst verses (besides yung la, who i otherwise like too) on the entire tape on it. it's such a wasted opportunity.

it's a single!

this been posted?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73LfWaEjg5Y

beat is kinda ridic

Soulja Boy Tell 'Em is slowly becoming one of my favourite artists :S

'check out my grill ... george foreman' is bad but 'all black everything feelin like a blind man' is good

i could see dude becoming a major artist just by incorporating all the diff influences together that he works with

'all black everything feelin like a blind man' is good

yeah, that was my favorite line on first listening

i could see dude becoming a major artist just by incorporating all the diff influences together that he works with

― average gangsta rap from average gangstas (deej), Sunday, February 7, 2010 2:16 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

"turn my swag on" is kinda like... drumma boy + wayne?

yeah this beat is wild

i think the hook is all soulja boy actually. that atonal sing-song is pretty much what he brings to the game.

i mean more in terms of rapping, the foreman grill line is like off our young money thread, the blind man line is gucciish
& he raps like post-lil wayne style, plus that lil b weirdo influence

the fast verse at the end is the best part imo, also kind of guccish

all black everything even my pinky ring
never say "who are we?" look at the jewelry

haha i wouldn't assign horrible george forman lines solely to young money

& yeah he explicitly bites gucci with the thunder/lightning thing

xp it's the construction, not the punchline itself