Lloyd Cole And The Commotions: Classic Or Dud

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How did you know about this? And why did you not tell me?

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 9 October 2004 10:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Huh, the answer is a bit wanky. It wasn't open to the general public, it was a private party for friends and family. I am neither, and only found out about the gig a couple of hours before it happened, but was very lucky to be able to grab one of a limited number of guest list places with people I knew, and then couldn't really invite anyone else. Which sucks, really.

Ally C (Ally C), Saturday, 9 October 2004 11:01 (nineteen years ago) link

That's OK, my days of skanky freeloading are probably well behind me anyway. I am glad you enjoyed it.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 9 October 2004 11:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I did. Thank you. I did.

Ally C (Ally C), Saturday, 9 October 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I am glad why people like music as much as they did.

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 9 October 2004 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Me too.

The set and the banter sound magnificent.

Could the trouble with the phone be the blood?

the bluefox, Monday, 11 October 2004 12:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Something to do with electricity. More Lloyd tomorrow!

Ally C (Ally C), Monday, 11 October 2004 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

To-morrow?

To-day?

the bluefox, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 10:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I was wrong and unnecessarily offensive upthread. Lloyd is great, (well with the Commotions anyway).

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 11:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw the 'deluxe' edition of Rattlesnakes, and thought wtf?

But then I read the contents and warmed slightly. And did not buy it.

I kinda went off him when we went to see them at wembley arena, and it was all so 'another day another gig' dull for him, seemingly.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 11:24 (nineteen years ago) link

OK then. More Lloyd.

Last night at the Barras - the anticipation in the air, me feeling like a fraud after last week, the awful support artist ("please buy my album..."), the smell of the place once again.

Lloyd to rapturous crowd: "This is weird, isn't it?"
Rapturous crowd: "YES!!"

He looked GOOD, clean shaven and from a greater distance - if he'd dyed his hair, you could almost have been fooled into believing it was 1984 again, if you wanted it to be.

Add to previous set - Four Flights Up and Patience. Cor.

Neil Clark is some kind of demi-god, I suppose. His lines are so articulate, aciculate even, carving their way through sweaty air and hearts and bones and plastic pint glasses.

Lloyd: "I don't know if I speak for the rest of the band, but I'm really old."

I read something about 'Rattlesnakes' being an album of instant nostalgia; I don't know if this was nostalgia or not - it was poignant, certainly. People around their forties rushing down to the front to be close to Lloyd, having grown out and back into that kind of devotion perhaps, or never having lost it but simply having nowhere to place it, to make it relevant; my friend's brother's tale of catching the minibus after school in '85 to see The Commotions play; songs relating to old girlfriends; the final, grand last stand, LC gathering the troops together for, what, not even a bow, just the sense and grace and excitement of being a band again, before walking off. That was moving. A long way down, indeed.

Ally C (Ally C), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and. Simon Pegg was there. I want more Lloyd reporting.

Ally C (Ally C), Friday, 15 October 2004 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link

So do I.

What, Simon Pegg out of Shaun of the Dead?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 18 October 2004 15:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, that Simon Pegg. Weird. Where is the Pinefox?

Ally C (Ally C), Monday, 18 October 2004 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link

He is probably 'working'.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 18 October 2004 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Went to the Commotions gig on Friday and thought it was awesome, shame there'll be no more of it. Almost as good: LC's slightly uglier brother Jimmy Carr sitting BEHIND us. Question: "What's the ultimate LC song?" - Possible Answer: "Brand New Friend".

ludesse (ludesse), Monday, 18 October 2004 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
It is odd that The PF has never reported back on this thread.

In other Lllllloyd news: Dave Eggars 'I was a teenage Lloyd Cole fan': http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/fridayreview/story/0,12102,1353957,00.html

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 19 November 2004 10:23 (nineteen years ago) link

When I was 14, listening primarily to music made by not-tough British songwriters - Aztec Camera, Prefab Sprout, the Smiths - my favourite artist was Lloyd Cole. His music was melancholy, crinkly voiced, understated and very smart. He had a Dylan-esque way with words, and had clearly read widely. I trusted him implicitly, wanted more time in his brain, and was ready to do his bidding, whatever he deemed necessary. It was while studying his first album, 1984's Rattlesnakes, that I found Joan Didion. In an interview, Cole said the song Speedboat was based on Run River, her first novel. Feeling as if I'd been given a divine directive, I rode my Huffy down to the library and read the entire book, there in the back by the bathrooms, where the fast kids went to give each other hand jobs. Didion became a major influence on my young mind - I plowed through everything she'd written - and I still wonder if I would have discovered her without Cole. Either way, I thank him. I also wonder what the connection was between the lyrics and the book, because I've read both many times and - no offence to Cole - it's totally goddamned unclear.

Perhaps because the song is actually based on Renata Adler's novel, ahem, 'Speedboat', Dave?

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 19 November 2004 10:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know what a Huffy is, but that library sounds quite unusual, certainly a far cry from Swadlincote.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 19 November 2004 11:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I have missed a load of posts.

Must read Cook's reporting back!

And thanks, Doc.

the bellefox, Friday, 19 November 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

"Rattlesnakes" is based on Didion's "Play It As It Lays".

Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:00 (nineteen years ago) link

rattlesnakes still holds up quite well after all these years. i am listening to it right now to find out which my favourite record of 1984 is. i had made up my mind before that it is the smiths hatful of hollow but i am not so sure anymore. lloyd cole sounds so grown-up in comparison to morrissey. his tunes are extremely classic but they miss the spark, the punch and urgency of the songs on hatful of hollow. i am not sure if that sageness is a good thing. it all is very romantic but in an old man's way. who is not looking ahead. but who is looking back on his life or something. even the four bonus tracks are close to perfect. one thing is sure. he doesn't trespass the border which separates beauty from schmaltz. johnny marr's guitar is more innovative than lloyd's. that's pretty clear. but nothing to hold against lloyd, i feel.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 17:52 (nineteen years ago) link

six months pass...
I finally caved in and got the Rattlesnakes deluxe thingy from the HMV sale. I was surprised how well I know some of the words. But I didn't think it was that good really, certainly no better than Big Country's The Crossing. By which I think I mean three good songs. The productions sounds tinny and squeaky clean. LC's voice is pretty bad, I think. The only thing that didn't bother me was the lyrics, which I thought were quite clever.

I will exchange it for something more suitable, I think.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 10:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I've asked this elsewhere but could someone explain what LC is on about in 'Charlotte Street'? I feel he is making some very specific references (NY Times, union card), which I'm not getting.

The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 11:14 (eighteen years ago) link

The productions sounds tinny

OTM. I used to be very fond of this record but lost my copy years ago. I recently replaced it and wished I hadn't bothered. I couldn't believe how badly the production had dated.

frankiemachine, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 11:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I have the greatest-hits somewhere. Lloyd Cole's problem is that Robert Quine doesn't play on enough of his records; then again, that's a problem I have with all the records Quine plays on.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 12:07 (eighteen years ago) link

the london review of books? initially it was an insert in the NYRB and it was started because the TLS was on strike.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 12:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I have been in their shop today. It has a very squeaky floor.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I finally caved in and got the Rattlesnakes deluxe thingy from the HMV sale. I was surprised how well I know some of the words. But I didn't think it was that good really, certainly no better than Big Country's The Crossing. By which I think I mean three good songs. The productions sounds tinny and squeaky clean. LC's voice is pretty bad, I think. The only thing that didn't bother me was the lyrics, which I thought were quite clever.
I will exchange it for something more suitable, I think.

-- PJ Miller (pjmiller6...), May 25th, 2005.


"Easy Pieces", maybe..

Amiii Stewart (Amiii Stewart), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
The deluxe double Rattlesnakes package is £7 in Fopp at the moment. Conside this my top tip for today.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 19 January 2006 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Today is Mr. Lloyd Cole’s Birthday as he turns 44 today. Still think Rattlesnakes is a classic from the 1980s… So it’s time to bump this thread and will need to read it tomorrow.

BeeOK (boo radley), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 13:01 (eighteen years ago) link

It is not on to hate a musician because you affect to despise their fanbase. You can imagine hating a homophobic Jamaican star, for instance, but it would not be because their fans are all yardies.
And I don't have a problem with Lloyd's pretentious lyrics namedropping novelists, etc.
my problem is with his voice. it sounds like he's swallowing his words. some say they like it's cracked quality, but all the power and the feeling has disappeared down those cracks, and all you have to go on are the words... tom waits he ain't.
that said, i own forest fire and still think it's a great record.

dr x o'skeleton, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 13:34 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
FYI sirendisc.com lists LC's new album, titled "Anti Depressant," to be
available in the UK on 18 Sep 06. Lloydcole.com says nothing.

DAVE's secret to fortu-Oh look! Shiny! (dave225.3), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

If it's anything like his last one... (shudders, pours more wine)

Mallory L . O'Donnell (That Bitch Camille), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.sanctuaryrecords.co.uk - also, no information. ~T-46 days, you'd think it'd make their list of "upcoming releases".

If you dig into the http://www.lloydcole.com forum, there are rough MP3s of new songs, which seem close to _Music in a Foreign Language_ in style.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Thursday, 3 August 2006 13:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I am not sure about the title.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 4 August 2006 06:13 (seventeen years ago) link

OH NOES I HAD BETTER CHANGE IT THEN

L Cole (noodle vague), Friday, 4 August 2006 06:20 (seventeen years ago) link

The Young Idealists (mp3
Woman In A Bar
New York Sunshine
Antidepressant
I Didn't See it Coming (mp3)
How Wrong Can You Be?
Everysong
I Am Not Willing
Slip Away
Travelling Light
Rolodex Incident

DAVE's secret to fortu-Oh look! Shiny! (dave225.3), Friday, 4 August 2006 11:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't change it, Lloyd. I am not being a fuck you smugster. It is a nice title really, like Athlete's Foot Powder or Haemorrhoid Cream.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 4 August 2006 11:34 (seventeen years ago) link

didnt morrissey say something of him like "He's a wonderful person, much more interesting than anything he's ever recorded."

Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Friday, 4 August 2006 11:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Eew, get her.

DAVE's secret to fortu-Oh look! Shiny! (dave225.3), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:50 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
Firstly - thanks for an interesting thread all.

Well, classic. An under appreciated one, for sure. His first solo album LC has the potential to launch him into significant recognition in the USA, but the circumstances did not gel per chance.

I have briefly met Lloyd twice, both times at Mercury Lounge in NYC. First at a Del Amitri (they are friends w/ LC) concert - where after listening to my drivel re my fav LC songs, he predicted (correctly) that I may like his next disc Love Story. The next time was in the late afternoon when he was having a beer while doing his set list for a benefit concert (for Elephants). I was asking the bartender for tickets when he modestly told me that it was not going to be a real LC concert for he would only be playing 5 or 6 songs even though headlining. The concert was quite good, and luckily introduced me to the female Lloyd Cole in the form of one Karen Iris (http://www.karenires.com/).

Ranking the discs:

1 Lloyd Cole X *****
2 Rattlesnakes *****
3 Love Story *****
4 Negatives ****1/2
5 Don't get weird ****
6 Easy Pieces ****
7 Bad Vibes ***1/2
8 Mainstream ***
9 MIFL ***

we will bypass Etc and Plastic Wood for side projects... looking forward to anti-depressant.

For those wondering what LC would perhaps sound like if he was born in Pennsylvania, sang even more about betrayal, had a fragment of Dylan in his voice, and played quitar more often like Robert Quine -- consider Kevin Salem's Ecstatic and/or Soma City.

Of course LC also gets classic bonus points for being a big influence on Matthew Sweet's GIRLFRIEND disc, even recommending to him to rename, rock-up and imclude the title song.

JEFF OBRIEN (JOBRIEN), Monday, 2 October 2006 01:49 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Antidepressant is pretty good. It probably cannot logically be one of my favourites of Lloyd's LPs, as there are already about four of those. But at the moment it remains, after many listens, the one I most want to hear again. It contains one or two real sparklers and deep melancholic slides.

I saw Lloyd live on Sunday, with Neil Clark and a malfunctioning computer. They seemed a tad under-rehearsed. I think they should have ditched the computer and concentrated on playing guitars together. And why does Lloyd so often insist on ending songs early, and stopping Clark from taking cool exciting solos where they belong?

I was struck by how good a song 'Past Imperfect' is, for a songwriter so far into his career.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 10:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw him/them last night. It seemed quite "together" to me. I rather liked the laptop instrumentals he played at the start of the show (4 or 5 one-minute long ambient things). Most disappointed by song selection: no "Undressed", nothing from "Weird On Me" (my fave Lloyd LP) except Butterfly, nothing from "The Negatives"... but they did a fantastic version of 2cv in answer to a punter's request.

Half the PA wasn't working for half the set, and Neil's monitors were malfunctioning too.

harvey.w (harvey.w), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 11:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Harvey, what was the set exactly? I wrote Sunday's down, and wondered how it might change.

the pinefox (the pinefox), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 12:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I have applied to go and see The WHO on Sunday, but it is some kind of lottery.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 12:53 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
It [Buckfast] has become a favourite with young people in Scotland, who celebrate it with nicknames such as Commotion Lotion and Wreck the Hoose Juice. Its supposed prevalence in some neighbourhoods east of Glasgow has led the area to be branded the Buckfast Triangle.

I did not get to see The Who, apart from via the red button on my handset.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 12:55 (seventeen years ago) link

When I saw Lloyd he was good, although I feel Neil Clark somehow doesn't work so well outwith the context of the Commotions. At times it was very good, at times he felt superfluous. But I liked Lloyd's range - I'm pretty sure he played at least one song from every single album in his canon. That's impressive.

Ally C (Ally C), Sunday, 12 November 2006 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Why?

the pinefox (the pinefox), Monday, 13 November 2006 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Because tours usually consist of "play entirety of new album plus a couple of old songs", also many artists have periods of their career they're not fond of and won't choose from. I just like breadth. I like overview. Good overview, Lloyd.

Ally C (Ally C), Monday, 13 November 2006 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link


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