C/D Paul McCartney Solo

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...except it would almost certainly be Band On the Run instead. Boo...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 19:44 (fifteen years ago) link

mc cartney going back behind the drum skins for the first time since the "spies like us" video!

ZionTrain (ZionTrain), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 23:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Paul McCartney II is one of the best albums of the 80s. I listened to it today -- Temporary Secretary is just flat-out incredible.

David Allen (David Allen), Thursday, 14 July 2005 00:08 (fifteen years ago) link

I once said "Temporary Secretary" sounds like Suicide.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 14 July 2005 00:21 (fifteen years ago) link

that out of tune guitar and keyboard loop is genius. i used to put that tune on mix tapes all the time.

ZionTrain (ZionTrain), Thursday, 14 July 2005 00:25 (fifteen years ago) link

You guys gotta hear the bootleg of the originally intended double album version of McCartney II!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 14 July 2005 01:51 (fifteen years ago) link

"Temporary Secretary"'s backing track sounds like a sped-up version of Kraftwerk's "Numbers," which didn't even come out until the following year!

that one's a search, definitely

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Thursday, 14 July 2005 02:21 (fifteen years ago) link

in some other thread there is mention of a remix album someone has done of McCartney II tracks

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 14 July 2005 02:42 (fifteen years ago) link

there is a "temporary secretary" remix that someone did. i heard that also. anyone know anything?

ZionTrain (ZionTrain), Thursday, 14 July 2005 02:52 (fifteen years ago) link

How the heck is Here Today disappointing? That song is brilliant. both lyrically and musically it's beautiful!

MerkinMuffley (MerkinMuffley), Thursday, 14 July 2005 05:15 (fifteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
His website - http://www.paulmccartney.com/main.html - has a track from the new album to consider: "Fine Line".

Must say, the song seems rather excellent, as if he really has upped his game. A more frenetic "Let 'Em In" for these times; typically McCartneyesque, yet with more intensity than he's had for decades. Fantastic ominous piano part... This is without question looks likely to be his finest album since "Tug of War".

Tom May (Tom May), Sunday, 7 August 2005 19:34 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...
"Rock Show" is fairly plodding arena rock fare expressly designed for the then-upcoming Wings Over America tour.

I'd rather call it Badfinger-like powerpop. Which is a good thing.

Generally McCartney solo is at his best with a perfect and polished production, and at his worst when he overdoes his "do it yourself" aesthetic.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 24 November 2006 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...
"Arrow Through Me" is genius, GENIUS. Matthew Weiner OTM.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 12 January 2007 01:19 (thirteen years ago) link

i've been loving the light disco of Goodnight Tonight lately
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izlsX4qLJcs

jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 12 January 2007 01:40 (thirteen years ago) link

Use of the word "genius" reminds me of this...

McCartney II [Columbia, 1980]
Paulie's 1970 DIY sounded homemade--its unfinished musings intimated an appealingly modest freedom. This one was recorded on a sixteen-track with an engineer in attendance. The instrumentals are doodles, the songs demos by a man who scores the occasional hit only to prove he's genius. Which he isn't. C

Tim Ellison = NUMBER ONE ADVOCATE OF YOU-KNOW-WHAT ON NU-ILX!!! (Tim Ellison), Friday, 12 January 2007 02:34 (thirteen years ago) link

"Paulie"

Tim Ellison = NUMBER ONE ADVOCATE OF YOU-KNOW-WHAT ON NU-ILX!!! (Tim Ellison), Friday, 12 January 2007 02:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Next you'll have me defend "Pretty Little Head."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 12 January 2007 03:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Matthew, you had me until "'Mumbo is a smoking rocker..." "A" for effort, though.

Matthew you omitted major non-album singles

1971-85 only:

Yes: "Hi Hi Hi," "Live and Let Die," "I Lie Around," "Country Dreamer," "Junior's Farm," "Mull of Kintyre," "Daytime Nighttime Suffering," "Coming Up (live at Glasgow)," "I'll Give You a Ring," "My Carnival."

Ehh: "Another Day," "Little Woman Love," "C Moon," "Sally G," "Girls School," "Goodnight Tonight," "Lunch Box/Odd Sox," "Rainclouds," "Spies Like Us."

Nae: "Mary Had a Little Lamb," "The Mess," "Zoo Gang."

Dan Heilman (The Deacon), Friday, 12 January 2007 03:29 (thirteen years ago) link

TELL ME TO PRESS!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 12 January 2007 03:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Oops, forgot "Oh Woman, Oh Why." Hearty Yes to that one.

Dan Heilman (The Deacon), Friday, 12 January 2007 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Next you'll have me defend "Pretty Little Head."

Not me. I think he was at a low ebb compositionally on that album and the album before.

Tim Ellison = NUMBER ONE ADVOCATE OF YOU-KNOW-WHAT ON NU-ILX!!! (Tim Ellison), Friday, 12 January 2007 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link

(Don't know if he came out of it after. I've never heard Flowers in the Dirt or Off the Ground.)

Tim Ellison = NUMBER ONE ADVOCATE OF YOU-KNOW-WHAT ON NU-ILX!!! (Tim Ellison), Friday, 12 January 2007 05:09 (thirteen years ago) link

I have no idea how I've not posted on this thread. Huge, huge huge classic. NTI's album rundown kind of captures why, I think - moreso than any other rocker of his generation (exception perhaps Stevie Wonder?) Paul managed to keep knocking out middling-hit (at least) singles in support of middling-good albums that managed to each be distinctive in their own way.

For the fan, his discography is rich with oddities, one-offs, half-baked experiments, overly self-conscious experiments, fully successful experiments, frankly brilliant fusions, unexpected detours, really expected detours, shockingly good rockers, embarassingly boneheaded rockers, sappy ballads, crappy ballads, convincing instant-classic ballads, odes to mooses that use Morse Code, and "The cat in the satin trousers said it's oily." The guy is a one-man landscape of gut pop instincts crossed with idiosyncratic overthought left turns. And if you're satisfied by swingin' tunes and enthusiasm there's so, so, so much to love.

Since his albums have been pretty well-discussed here, let me give a heads-up to a few of his many, MANY unreleased gems and uncollected b-sides. In the category of rockers (whether of the pop, stomp, or 'blooze' variety) there's "Oh Woman Oh Why," ("Oh Darling" done right) "Girls' School," "A Love For You" (tho it goes on too long), "Rode All Night" (ditto), "Daytime Nighttime Suffering," "I'll Give You A Ring," "Back on My Feet" (really dated but great), "Cage" (love the calliope!), "Soily"....etc, etc, etc.....

Ballads: "Suicide" (fragmentary though it is), "Lindiana" (don't mind the awful title), "Love Come Tumbling Down," "My Little Koala Bear," (!!!), "Tragedy" (I think this is a cover),

For weird experiments etc, go for "Boil Crisis," followed immediately by "Waterspout," then "Robber's Ball," then all the unused McCartney II stuff, especially "Secret Friend" and "Mr. H Atom." The unused dancey stuff from the mid-80s is mostly dire (eg "PS Love Me Do") but there are some interesting diversions - "Atlantic Ocean" and "Ou Est Le Soleil" for example. At this point we're starting to get into stuff that's enjoyable mainly for how it adds to the "the man's insane" portrait: "B-Side To Seaside," "Little Woman Love," "Big Boys Bickering," and on and on....

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Friday, 12 January 2007 05:45 (thirteen years ago) link

I love how this thread seems to completely ignore Chaos & Creation In The Back Yard . Which is 95 % brilliant ( and I've never been a "rah! rah! McCartney! - type until before this album. Though I do love me some Wings.)

Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Friday, 12 January 2007 09:36 (thirteen years ago) link

"Twin Freaks" Y'all!

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 12 January 2007 09:56 (thirteen years ago) link

OTM about " Chaos & Creation In The Back Yard". I love the Beatles but have never liked too much Macca's solo output (own "Macca I & II", "band on the run" and "ram") but there is one album from him that I really like and listen to every now and then, it's "Chaos". Might be his best for me. and the best any beatle has released solo. even as good - although different - as some Beatles' stuff !

AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 12 January 2007 11:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Other good Macca threads where I express myself much more clearly than I do here (alert, Casino fans!):

Paul McCartney: Tug Of War

TS: Paul McCartney's "Pipes of Peace" vs "Press to Play"

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Friday, 12 January 2007 14:01 (thirteen years ago) link

D.U.D

Luke Slater (Alan Bean), Saturday, 13 January 2007 00:34 (thirteen years ago) link

no. I like solo mccartney now more than I did when I was a kid and a huge beatles fan, weirdly.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 13 January 2007 00:35 (thirteen years ago) link

there is a "temporary secretary" remix that someone did. i heard that also. anyone know anything?

http://www.discogs.com/image/R-236705-1156668016.jpeg

jambalaya backgammon (grady), Saturday, 13 January 2007 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.discogs.com/image/R-236705-1156668016.jpeg

jambalaya backgammon (grady), Saturday, 13 January 2007 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link

damnit

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?what=R&obid=236705

jambalaya backgammon (grady), Saturday, 13 January 2007 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Paul McCartney II is one of the best albums of the 80s. I listened to it today -- Temporary Secretary is just flat-out incredible.

Temporary Secretary"'s backing track sounds like a sped-up version of Kraftwerk's "Numbers," which didn't even come out until the following year!
that one's a search, definitely



A Macca story i've heard recently regarding how the song 'Temporary Secretary' came about:

the lyrics go:

Mister Marks Can You Find For Me....

I Need A
Temporary Secretary, Temporary Secretary
Temporary Secretary, Temporary Secretary

The background information is that Howard Marks, one of the UKs largest cannabis importers, had a business in Carlisle Place, Soho, just around the corner from Macca's MPL office on Soho Square, with a 'front' of offering word processing and secretarial services as a money laundering facility (and lived there as well).

This is alleged to be a 'coy reference'.




Bob Six, Sunday, 25 March 2007 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Macca with Beatles is of course unsurpassable, but my three favourite albums by him have all been released by Paul McCartney rather than Wings, so I guess I pick solo over Wings then.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 26 March 2007 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link

A friend and I have become obsessed with the late seventies studio-rock vibe of "Arrow Through Me," so gorgeously sung and arranged that it makes me wish he'd recorded more like it.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 March 2007 00:37 (thirteen years ago) link

Just listened to "Golden Earth Girl" from "Off the Ground." The production is much better than the rest of the album and it has a real pretty melody- classic McCartney balladry. The lyrics are pretty bad, though. What I do is just pretend he's singing cool nonsense shit like on "Red Rose Speedway."

"Fish in a sunbeam, in eggshell eye" (Actually maybe he is just singing nonsense)

ColinO, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link

"Distractions" from "Flowers in the Dirt" is another gorgeous one. The lyrics are even pretty good.! I dig the "And I Love Her" vibe of the guitar solo.

I've been in a hardcore McCartney phase for a couple months- so many overlooked gems in his catalogue.

ColinO, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link

So now he's left EMI and signed to Starbucks' label!

or something!

Mark G, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Or possibly Tarbuck's label.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link

(Didn't he go to school w/ Lennon? or summat?)

Mark G, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Oho! He was in the same class! If only Lennon had forsaken the drugs and politics and taken up the great game of golf instead, why he'd still be with us, turning out on a Weybridge Sunday morn with Brucie and Lynchie and Conneryy!

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
"Arrow Through Me" is the awesomest. "Old Siam, Sir" is the second-most-awesomest. This would lead one to believe that "Back to the Egg" is amazing. It is not.

The best Paul solo song is "Monkberry Moon Delight," though.

Davey D, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link

Maybe!

Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Sooo what might you know about that Macca II boot, Tim my man?

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:39 (thirteen years ago) link

I've pulled out McCartney II again, and I'm struck by how much some of the instrumentals remind me of Low.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link

I've got an old vinyl 2xLp version. The sound quality is a little wonky, though not horrible. It's very interesting in many ways. There were more instrumentals and some other wacky tunes that were left off. Also, there was a lot of editing on that album and weird issues with tape speed manipulation (an interesting factor that goes back to things like "When I'm 64," doesn't it?). The final version of "Coming Up" is edited/pieced together, for example (and there's a longer version on this bootleg). Also, "Summer's Day Song" was an instrumental. Basically, my perspective is the thing pwns in its original form and you only got glimpses of that on the released version.

The thing about "Monkberry Moon Delight," though, is that it doesn't really stand out on Ram. You listen to that side and it's not a better composition than "Long Haired Lady" (there's an underrated one!) or "Back Seat of My Car." Ram just basically rules. It's got to be the most underrated album evah.

Oh, and "Listen to What the Man Said" sure sounded awesome on the car radio today.

Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link

awesomes, thanks for the info.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 01:58 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh man, I want to hear that boot! I bet that "Summer's Day Song" sounds eve MORE like "Warszawa" as an instrumental.

Totally OTM about Ram, also. Do you have the Thrillington album? I just got ahold of it and it's increasing my love of Ram immensely.

Every time I hear "Listen To What the Man Said," I love the song itself more and the soprano sax less...

Davey D, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 06:39 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/h0/h694.jpg

There's another Bogey song on the original, longer version of McCartney II called "Bogey Wobble."

Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link

(It's a synth instrumental.)

Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link


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