I hate Lance Armstrong.

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I wonder what is meant by "selling out"? I see this term often, but do not fully understand it. We have collaboration here, not a nice thing to call somebody a collabo. From what I have seen and read, Mr. Armstrong seems remarkably loyal to his frends, and Nike and Oakley were the only sponsors to support him after his diagnosis. Oakley even put him on the payroll so he would have insuarnce during his treatment. Cofidis and the rest droppped him like the hot potato, which certainly puts them on his bad side.

It seems consistent with his mentality to support those who supported him. Nike was also the company that gave the start money for the LIVESTRONG bracelets, which has provided millions to cancer research.

Gerard_D, Monday, 25 July 2005 09:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I wonder what is meant by "selling out"? I see this term often, but do not fully understand it. We have collaboration here, not a nice thing to call somebody a collabo. From what I have seen and read, Mr. Armstrong seems remarkably loyal to his frends,

He only remains loyal if you do what *he* wishes. The amount of enemies he has far outnumbers his friends.


If Armstrong was "decent" guy, he'd have retired after his fifth win

If Lance Armstrong was a TRUE INDIE ROCKER he wouldn't sell out and do Nike commercials and would currently be dating Karen Osomeone so cool we haven't even heard of her yet, not Sheryl Crow.

Kind of ridiculous to demand that Lance retire, but Eddy Merckx did not participate in the '73 tour because of criticism that he won all the time. I think it's not about decency. It's about a wish that there's more competition (for first place). If Lance participates, he'd need to fall flat on his face to see him lose. So yeah I hope he retires.

nathalie's body's designed for two (stevie nixed), Monday, 25 July 2005 10:32 (eighteen years ago) link

He only remains loyal if you do what *he* wishes. The amount of enemies he has far outnumbers his friends.

Yes, he is an exacting individual, undoubtedly one of the MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY sorts. The point I had tried to make was that he is backing Nike's marketing, likely as a response to the support they have given him when was being treated, and afterwards with the livestrong racelets, among others.

Gerard_, Monday, 25 July 2005 11:23 (eighteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
CNN:

Leblanc - Armstrong fooled us all

Wednesday, August 24, 2005 Posted: 1623 GMT (0023 HKT)

Leblanc (right) congratulates Armstrong after his seventh Tour win
PARIS, France -- Tour de France director Jean-Marie Leblanc claims Lance Armstrong has "fooled" the sports world, over new allegations he used a performance-boosting drug.

Leblanc's comments come a day after L'Equipe reported that six urine samples, provided by Armstrong during the 1999 Tour, tested positive for EPO.

"For the first time -- and these are no longer rumors these are proven scientific facts -- someone has shown me that in 1999 Armstrong had EPO in his body," said Leblanc.

"The ball is now in his court. Why, how, by whom? He owes explanations to us and to everyone who follows the tour. Today, what L'Equipe revealed shows me that I was fooled. We were all fooled."

Leblanc called the latest accusations against Armstrong shocking and troubling.

Armstrong, a frequent target of L'Equipe, vehemently denies the allegations, calling the article "tabloid journalism."

"I will simply restate what I have said many times: I have never taken performance-enhancing drugs," said Armstrong.

Armstrong, who retired from professional cycling after winning the Tour a month ago, was not immediately available for comment regarding Leblanc's latest remarks.

EPO, formally known as erythropoietin, was on the list of banned substances at the time Armstrong won the first of his seven Tour's, but there was no effective test then to detect it.

The allegations surfaced six years later because EPO tests on the 1999 samples were carried out only last year -- when scientists at a lab outside Paris used them for research to perfect EPO testing.

The national anti-doping laboratory said it promised to hand its finding to the World Anti-Doping Agency, provided it was never used to penalize riders.

Five-time cycling champion Miguel Indurain said he couldn't understand why scientists would use samples from the 1999 Tour for their tests.

"That seems bizarre, and I don't know who would have the authorization to do it," he told L'Equipe. "I don't even know if it's legal to keep these samples."

L'Equipe's investigation was based on the second set of two samples used in doping tests. The first set were used in 1999 for analysis at the time. Without those samples, any disciplinary action against Armstrong would be impossible, French Sports Minister Jean-Francois Lamour said.

Lamour said he had doubts about L'Equipe's report because he had not seen the originals of some of the documents that appeared in the paper.

"I do not confirm it," he told RTL radio. But he added: "If what L'Equipe says is true, I can tell you that it's a serious blow for cycling."

The UCI did not begin using a urine test for EPO until 2001, although the drug was banned in 1990.

For years, it had been impossible to detect the drug, which builds endurance by boosting the production of oxygen-rich red blood cells.

nathalie starts to cry each time we meet (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 19:03 (eighteen years ago) link

"care for another bottle of Piss De Lance?"
"ah, a 1999 - a fine year"

zappi (joni), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 19:54 (eighteen years ago) link


Armstrong considers shock return

Lance Armstrong
Armstrong to marry singer Crow
Lance Armstrong says he could come out of retirement to try for an eighth straight Tour de France victory.

Armstrong said: "While I'm absolutely enjoying my time as a retired athlete, the recent smear campaign out of France has awoken my competitive side.

"I'm thinking it's the best way to piss [the French] off. I'm not willing to put a percentage on the chances but I will no longer rule it out."

Asked how serious he was, Armstrong replied: "I'm exercising every day."

Armstrong believes he is the target of a "witch hunt" by the French media.

French sports daily L'Equipe reported in August that urine samples taken from Armstrong during his first Tour victory in 1999 tested positive for the banned substance EPO.


There will always be a place on the team for him if he decides to come back
Johan Bruyneel
Armstrong's team manager at Discovery Channel
The 33-year-old, who recovered from cancer, has always vehemently denied taking any performance-enhancing drugs.

He retired in July after winning his seventh straight Tour de France.

Armstrong's spokesman Mark Higgins insists the cycling legend is serious about a possible comeback.

"He's still fit and very much in his prime," said Higgins. " He is not ruling out a return to racing.

"In light of the stuff that's been going on in the past few weeks, a comeback has become appealing.

"At the same time, he's a retired athlete who is very much enjoying being with his children and working with charities. And he just got engaged. We'll just have to see."

Johan Bruyneel, Armstrong's team manager at Discovery Channel, said the door was still open for the star rider to return.

"We could decide during our training camp in December, which will be decisive (for the Tour)," Bruyneel told the Belgian news agency Belga.

"But don't make me say that Lance has already decided what he will do with the rest of his career. That said, we speak for 15 minutes on the phone every day, and for 13 of those we talk about cycling."

"He got back on the bike to train three weeks after the end of the Tour de France. He follows the team's progress closely and it's sure that he's still hungry for success.

"There will always be a place on the team for him if he decides to come back. Anyway, he's still under contract with us till the end of 2006."

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 00:56 (eighteen years ago) link

The 33-year-old Armstrong, who is set to marry rock star Sheryl Crow, is considering coming out of retirement in response to the allegations.

Also because he knows how much I hate him. :-)))))

nathalie's pocket revolution (stevie nixed), Friday, 9 September 2005 13:13 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
so much for that...

Armstrong, Crow announce they're breaking up
Associated Press
Cycling News Wire

AUSTIN, Texas -- Lance Armstrong and Sheryl Crow have split, the couple announced in a joint statement Friday night.

The seven-time Tour de France champion and the rock star announced their engagement in September. It would have been her first marriage and his second. He has three children from a previous marriage.

"After much thought and consideration we have made a very tough decision to split up. We both have a deep love and respect for each other and we ask that everyone respect our privacy during this very difficult time," the statement said.

my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Saturday, 4 February 2006 03:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I love how that "love and respect" is used in every press statement. The last couple to use this was Jessica Simpson and Nick Lachey. I'm awaiting the statement that's honest: "If I come across that twerp aagin, I'm gonna KICK HIS ASS..."

I saw Lance in that Dodgeball film. It almost ruined the film for me. ;-)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 6 February 2006 09:52 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Fuck Armstrong dudes!

The only real champion the world has seen was Marco Pantani "the pirate"...hadn't he been persecuted by italian justice Armstrong would have won no Tours! Just remember Courchevel 2000 at the Tour...

FUCK LANCE!!!!

Max, Sunday, 23 April 2006 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link

As if Marco could keep off the cocaine, amirite folks?

Bring Me The Head of ESTEBAN BUTTEZ (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Monday, 24 April 2006 01:28 (seventeen years ago) link


some disturbing attitudes toward cancer here....full of 'googlers'

woweez, Monday, 24 April 2006 03:05 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...

OH MY GOD he's coming back...IN ADELAIDE??

Nottingham: it's the new Abu Dhabi (King Boy Pato), Monday, 5 January 2009 09:44 (fifteen years ago) link

And apparently (according to Mike Rann), it's the MOST IMPORTANT THING EVER!

I don't like him for the simple reason that I used to supertext-caption the news, and every year the Tour de France and Tour Down Under were a nightmare of demented names and esoteric terms poured out by deranged commentators at nightmare speeds. (Though to be fair, I could at least spell 'Lance Armstrong' correctly, so he should have been one of those I hated least)

James Morrison, Monday, 5 January 2009 22:11 (fifteen years ago) link

the brett favre of cycling

my fingers is a jellyfish (omar little), Monday, 5 January 2009 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link

or roger clemens

my fingers is a jellyfish (omar little), Monday, 5 January 2009 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link

And apparently (according to Mike Rann), it's the MOST IMPORTANT THING EVER!

Oh, don't tell me you're writing into The Advertiser now. Those people are the reason why I left Adelaide.

Nottingham: it's the new Abu Dhabi (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:16 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't think many people realise that Lance is coming back for Astana, so he'll be racing in the glorious colours of KAZAKHSTAN!!

Nottingham: it's the new Abu Dhabi (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 11:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh, don't tell me you're writing into The Advertiser now. Those people are the reason why I left Adelaide.

Er, what?

James Morrison, Tuesday, 6 January 2009 12:25 (fifteen years ago) link

cant believe i ever wasted time opining about this and so annoyingly

Booker van Permalink (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 16:13 (fifteen years ago) link

This is a very rare case of accomplishment completely supplanting douchiness.

't (wanko ergo sum), Tuesday, 6 January 2009 16:18 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

another ex-teammate just came out of the woodwork and fired some accusations in lance's direction.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=dw-wetzel_lance_armstrong_faces_new_allegations_051911

omar little, Friday, 20 May 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link

as far as this guy managing his public reputation, he fucked up by not coming clean years ago when he still had tons of positive cache -- his redemption tour would've come full circle by now, but at this point I think he's generally seen as a massive fraud

J0rdan S., Friday, 20 May 2011 20:05 (twelve years ago) link

I don't think so... he cured cancer and won 7 tours with one ball, he still is a hero in the eye of the typical american sports fan (ie, has no clue about cycling).

it's a meme i made and i like (Steve Shasta), Friday, 20 May 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link

My favorite MSM defense piece of Lance came early this year when referring to Armstrong as retired... yet Lance was racing a stage race in Australia at the time.

Let me try to find it, it was pretty funny.

it's a meme i made and i like (Steve Shasta), Friday, 20 May 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link

i think that the "defiant" reaction to accusations like this is actually kind of revealing. i would think people who were being accused of something absolutely untrue over and over again by some of their closest compatriots would actually react with more palpable hurt and shock rather than some kind of "haters gonna hate" defiance.

omar little, Friday, 20 May 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link

Sports Illustrated 1/18/11:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31751_162-20028841-10391697.html

by Joshua Norman

Doping allegations have followed Lance Armstrong into retirement. (Credit: AP Photo/Mark Lennihan)

Lance Armstrong has tested negative for performance enhancing drugs on countless occasions. He counts among his friends and supporters former presidents and some of the world's biggest celebrities. He is also among the most prominent spokespeople for eradicating cancer and helping those suffering with it.

Regardless, journalists and federal prosecutors just won't let the now-retired legendary cyclist be.

A federal investigator experienced at probing performance enhancing drug use in U.S. sports who already nabbed track star Marion Jones and baseball great Barry Bonds has barely concealed his continued investigation into Armstrong's alleged use of PEDs.

Now, Sports Illustrated magazine has sent two of its investigative journalists on the trail to uncover evidence of Armstrong's alleged use of PEDs. They will report the full findings in the magazine on newsstands on Wednesday, but in the meantime, they have leaked evidence that they believe may link Armstrong to "the saddest deception in sports history."

None of SI's leaked evidence is particularly strong, however.

Included in their key findings are:

- Armstrong had "access" to a drug that boosts the blood's oxygen-carrying capacity in the 1990s called "HemAssist." He has since denied every taking it and never publicly tested positive for it.

- "Lance had a bag of drugs and s---," said former teammate and admitted doper Floyd Landis, when talking about being stopped by customs in St. Moritz in 2003. Agents allegedly found syringes and drugs with labels written in Spanish. Landis claims Armstrong then asked a member of his traveling crew to convince customs "agents that the drugs were vitamins and that the syringes were for vitamin injections." Armstrong has since denied this happened.

- Armstrong's testosterone-epitestosterone ratio was reported to be higher than normal on three occasions between 1993 and 1996, although the evidence for this is spurious. The lab that reported the higher levels has long since dismissed the tests, and all attempts at unearthing them have fallen flat.

- Another former teammate who has admitted taking PEDs said Armstrong was "the instigator" in 1995 when it came to his cycling team using the banned blood booster EPO. Again, Armstrong denies the accusation and has not tested positive for EPO during his career.

it's a meme i made and i like (Steve Shasta), Friday, 20 May 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link

Meanwhile while this article was published he was in the middle of a 7 day Tour Down Under stage race (1/16-1/23/11), earning to a 67th place finish in the biggest race south of the equator:
http://www.tourdownunder.com.au/race/results-2011

it's a meme i made and i like (Steve Shasta), Friday, 20 May 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link

Professional cycling is NAGL

boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Friday, 20 May 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link

nine years pass...

it could be worse. i could be floyd landis

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 1 June 2020 18:56 (three years ago) link


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