that live version is great -- & ezra is wearing sneakers
lol'n
― 15 y.o. girls hellhole ratface (Lamp), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link
even people who think they don't care much about drumming would notice the difference if vw had a really good drummer, imo.
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:43 (fourteen years ago) link
(but i think there's been a general devaluation of drumming in general in a lot of indie rock. there are good drummers out there, but an awful lot of bands seem to see it as sort of an afterthought. or that's how it sounds to me, anyway. bass playing too, for that matter. devaluation of the rhythm section. o god i'm rewriting that sfj essay...)
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:45 (fourteen years ago) link
this thread made me think i might like spoon who i had never gotten before and based on a couple of youtubes i could be more into them than i thought i would be, i mean are they something i would like?
― plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:49 (fourteen years ago) link
ehhh, i don't think so?
― ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:50 (fourteen years ago) link
no one really dislikes spoon, per se
― ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:51 (fourteen years ago) link
(i know that's not actually true but)
some people like "don't see what the big deal is" but spoon are deliberately low key so it follows or something
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 6:43 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is 100% true for their first album and like 10% true at best for their 2nd i think
― max, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link
¿r u saying no then?
― plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link
try
"paper tiger" or "you got yr cherry bomb" or "the way we get by" or "i summon you" or "the beast and dragon adored" or "1020 AM" or
― ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link
drumming is better on the new one, but ... well why go into it all again. i just think they'd be a better band if they had a really good drummer. but i still wouldn't like them probably, so who cares what i think?
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link
who indeed
― plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:56 (fourteen years ago) link
they do a really great job of compensating for a mediocre drummer on this record (great drum sounds, lots of cut-up live drums mixed with lots of programmed beats, hardly any straight live playing)
― rinse the lemonade (Jordan), Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:41 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― rinse the lemonade (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:56 (fourteen years ago) link
spoon are safe and unremarkable and there are a lot of people who take comfort in that sort of thing. they are good snuggie listening.
http://bobbeckstead.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/SnuggieGreen.jpg
― scott seward, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link
hmm i kinda maybe need a little more novelty to get hooked tbh
― plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:23 (fourteen years ago) link
The ghost of my snuggie still lingers.
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:23 (fourteen years ago) link
― plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 11:56 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
lol
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:35 (fourteen years ago) link
If you want to get into Spoon, check out Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga, which is quite excellent, and only about 36 minutes long.
― kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 01:00 (fourteen years ago) link
The closer, "Black Like Me," is probably my favorite Spoon track.
― kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 01:01 (fourteen years ago) link
eh i think the thing abt these guitar pop records is that you cant guarantee someone will like them, i mean its prolly like with Its never been like that, you either click with it in a way that elevates it or not, you cant talk someone into liking it bc its USP is pretty negligible yeah?
― plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:51 (fourteen years ago) link
In general, I don't think it's possible to talk someone into liking something. The most you can hope to do is talk them into listening to it enough that if it's something they're meant to like, they'll give it enough of a chance for it to click. But you can't guarantee that it will click.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:55 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i think that its pretty hard to point out something abt this that might make someone listen to it with a different intention, like when my friend libby was like "oh hey, did you notice that taylor swift is an awesome lyricist" and at first i was like really but then i was like yes u r right and the lyrics became the key to how i liked it. Like i think most things have some novelty factor that often works as a point of entry for getting it, like with phoenix its that it sounds like a formica version of the strokes, and that bateman blankness becomes the punctum i guess, but most of these bands peddle a variation on a theme, and just bc i obsessed over something quite similar doesnt mean im gonna really be that bothered with listening to spoon (or not i dont really know, but its not grabbin me str8 off)
― plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 18:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Give them time. Some days (not just snuggie days) nothing else will do.
If you want "novelty", the two most sonically novel Spoon albums are Kill The Moonlight and the new one.
Boy, am I glad we're not talking about Vampire Weekend anymore.
― Did you say you were going to mangle the light? (staggerlee), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 23:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Spoon; Vampire Weekend of 2010?
― samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 23:55 (fourteen years ago) link
i think you can totally be talked into liking/disliking things & it happens on ilx all the time
― average gangsta rap from average gangstas (deej), Thursday, 4 February 2010 00:37 (fourteen years ago) link
agreed. i often listen to things for the first when i'm in a bad mood and doing something else at the same time, and then decide i don't like it for the longest time and invent some moronic reason about it--it's nice when someone comes along and talks some sense into me.
― samosa gibreel, Thursday, 4 February 2010 00:43 (fourteen years ago) link
still like this but man "diplomat's son" is a miss and a half
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 February 2010 02:53 (fourteen years ago) link
how so?
― Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 February 2010 02:55 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe i need another couple listens to process it but it seems totally formless and boring--i don't think this band's sound palette is interesting enough that they should do long instrumental passages, and then the vocals come back in really briefly at the end which sounds like it's supposed to be a gotcha moment but instead just seems weird and incomplete.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 February 2010 02:58 (fourteen years ago) link
I like how the sweetness of Koenig's falsetto fails to mitigate the hardness of the lyrics; he can't separate how awesome his experience with this guy was from how cruelly they treated each other.
― Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 February 2010 02:59 (fourteen years ago) link
i'll read the lyrics closely but still think these guys should not do 6-minute songs
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 February 2010 03:01 (fourteen years ago) link
yup
― rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 February 2010 03:01 (fourteen years ago) link
i love the melody on that -- i think of the last three songs on this CD as pretty much one song
― ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 February 2010 03:05 (fourteen years ago) link
this is the only song on the album I like! and I like it a lot!
― iatee, Thursday, 4 February 2010 03:16 (fourteen years ago) link
i really like all the songs on the album except "giving up the gun" & "diplomat's son"
― rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 February 2010 03:17 (fourteen years ago) link
spoon are safe and unremarkable
don't get this at all. spoon's minimal vibe was sort of bracing when i first heard it (i guess, without realizing it, a lot of the rock bands i like tend to fill up every nook and cranny with sound). low had a similar effect on me.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 4 February 2010 03:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Spoon > Arctic Monkeys > Vampire Weekend
― nicky lo-fi, Thursday, 4 February 2010 03:45 (fourteen years ago) link
also, who's out there seeking danger in their listening experience?
― nicky lo-fi, Thursday, 4 February 2010 03:51 (fourteen years ago) link
i am, that's why i listen to these guys:
http://www.metal-rules.com/zine/images/stories/interviews/Watain/Watain_Band.jpg
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 February 2010 03:52 (fourteen years ago) link
not danger. just, you know, a surprise or two. spoon serve a purpose. i have nothing against them. they are solid dadrock or lifestyle rock. you can play them in the subaru while taking the kids to soccer practice and the kids probably won't complain. paste and no depression and xgau approved. like an ikea shelf, only music.
― scott seward, Thursday, 4 February 2010 03:57 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't know what you mean by "danger," but plenty of the people on this board like music that's less, uh, mannered than Vampire Weekend
― kshighway (ksh), Thursday, 4 February 2010 03:58 (fourteen years ago) link
never thought of spoon as dadrock. i guess it could fit.
i dunno. i like surprises, too, but i think spoon's sound was surprising, and they've perfected it. besides, what's especially surprising these days? what's the last song or band that made you think "wow, this sounds like it's floating in from another world"?
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 4 February 2010 04:00 (fourteen years ago) link
I imagine that the large majority of spoon's fans do not own subarus or have kids to take to soccer practice
― iatee, Thursday, 4 February 2010 04:00 (fourteen years ago) link
for the record i will disagree with characterizations of spoon that don't recognize their deconstructionist streak--they're hardly "safe" if you're paying attention. but i'm a stan and can't really talk about this rationally.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 February 2010 04:01 (fourteen years ago) link
my favorite song of theirs is "Writing and Differance"
― kshighway (ksh), Thursday, 4 February 2010 04:01 (fourteen years ago) link
I imagine that the large majority of Spoon fans have not fucked the sons of diplomats after a few spliffs.
― Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 February 2010 04:03 (fourteen years ago) link
oy. one fling in college and they never let you forget it. geez.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 4 February 2010 04:05 (fourteen years ago) link
"what's the last song or band that made you think "wow, this sounds like it's floating in from another world"?"
this happens to me on a regular basis to be honest. or TBH.
― scott seward, Thursday, 4 February 2010 04:12 (fourteen years ago) link
"I imagine that the large majority of spoon's fans do not own subarus or have kids to take to soccer practice"
i imagine differently.
― scott seward, Thursday, 4 February 2010 04:13 (fourteen years ago) link