ha, I am more bothered by how out of tune the backup vocals get than I am by the lead singer
this dude isn't my favorite new vocalist or anything but he certainly knows how to write for his own voice
― PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! PIES! (HI DERE), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 17:40 (fourteen years ago) link
That SFJ article on Brighten the Corners is apt. Pavement did often deploy signifiers of upper-middle class privilege in their lyrics (which were at least as abstruse and literary as Vampire Weekend's). They made the class connection quite explicit in "You Are a Light", off their following album. Malkmus sings about a university exchange program: "Senior year abroad/I ripped the pea out of the pod/In store for three months of exile in Spain/Where was the danger?" and then rhapsodizes about a fast car: "I drive a stick. Gotta love it. Automatic/Everybody's gotta ride in something". That last line especially, with its languid wistfulness and self-aware irony, is proto-VW.
― o. nate, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:12 (fourteen years ago) link
Have not read this yet, but there's an interview up on PopMatters:
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/feature/119497-the-kids-dont-stand-a-chance-an-interview-with-vampire-weekend/
― ksh, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link
The interview's with their drummer, actually.
― ksh, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Hearing them today (in the background at Borders) made me think that the Graceland comparisons weren't just facile, but that both really do contrast the average-white-guy voice with the instrumentation.
― rogue whizzing (Eazy), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Well, I’d never played drums in a band before this (Laughs). That was because, the first couple of practices we had I was supposed to play guitar. But we kinda couldn’t find a drummer and I could kinda play, so I thought I’d try and do something.
I hope I play parts that are fairly unique. But at the same time ... I don’t really know what I’m doing, in some respects.
― velko, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Awesome!
― Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link
drumming for me in general is like... a huge plus if it's AMAZING (like say, on the first bloc party album) but otherwise rudimentary drumming doesn't bother me at all. i guess i think of spoon who doesn't have a great drummer but mics their drums well and gets great sounds, which is cool.
― ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:30 (fourteen years ago) link
that live version is great -- & ezra is wearing sneakers
― ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:34 (fourteen years ago) link
a lot of people and drummers think jim eno is an excellent drummer though
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:34 (fourteen years ago) link
i probably don't know shit about drumming idk -- i can't think of any spoon song where i'm like "holy shit the drumming!"
― ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:36 (fourteen years ago) link
i think a lot of it is how well he blends into the songs and how he really lives by the band's commitment to minimalism and economy in his drum parts. like there's nothing "complicated" about the drum part on "the way we get by" for example but i can remember every single fill he plays in that song.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:38 (fourteen years ago) link
i think spoon's drumming is impressive to me because the band as a whole seems so drilled-down. britt daniel doesn't do much on guitar either but they do a lot of rhythmic interplay with simple elements. it's a more-than-sum thing
― goole, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:39 (fourteen years ago) link
i guess when i said "not great" i meant "very economic and tight"
― ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:39 (fourteen years ago) link
actually i think "trouble comes running" from the new one is kind of remarkable because he's actually going kinda nuts for most of it, i guess because it was intended to just be a demo?
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:39 (fourteen years ago) link
lol'n
― 15 y.o. girls hellhole ratface (Lamp), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link
even people who think they don't care much about drumming would notice the difference if vw had a really good drummer, imo.
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:43 (fourteen years ago) link
(but i think there's been a general devaluation of drumming in general in a lot of indie rock. there are good drummers out there, but an awful lot of bands seem to see it as sort of an afterthought. or that's how it sounds to me, anyway. bass playing too, for that matter. devaluation of the rhythm section. o god i'm rewriting that sfj essay...)
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:45 (fourteen years ago) link
this thread made me think i might like spoon who i had never gotten before and based on a couple of youtubes i could be more into them than i thought i would be, i mean are they something i would like?
― plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:49 (fourteen years ago) link
ehhh, i don't think so?
― ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:50 (fourteen years ago) link
no one really dislikes spoon, per se
― ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:51 (fourteen years ago) link
(i know that's not actually true but)
some people like "don't see what the big deal is" but spoon are deliberately low key so it follows or something
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 6:43 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is 100% true for their first album and like 10% true at best for their 2nd i think
― max, Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link
¿r u saying no then?
― plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link
try
"paper tiger" or "you got yr cherry bomb" or "the way we get by" or "i summon you" or "the beast and dragon adored" or "1020 AM" or
― ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link
drumming is better on the new one, but ... well why go into it all again. i just think they'd be a better band if they had a really good drummer. but i still wouldn't like them probably, so who cares what i think?
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:54 (fourteen years ago) link
who indeed
― plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:56 (fourteen years ago) link
they do a really great job of compensating for a mediocre drummer on this record (great drum sounds, lots of cut-up live drums mixed with lots of programmed beats, hardly any straight live playing)
― rinse the lemonade (Jordan), Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:41 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― rinse the lemonade (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 23:56 (fourteen years ago) link
spoon are safe and unremarkable and there are a lot of people who take comfort in that sort of thing. they are good snuggie listening.
http://bobbeckstead.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/SnuggieGreen.jpg
― scott seward, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link
hmm i kinda maybe need a little more novelty to get hooked tbh
― plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:23 (fourteen years ago) link
The ghost of my snuggie still lingers.
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:23 (fourteen years ago) link
― plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 11:56 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
lol
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 00:35 (fourteen years ago) link
If you want to get into Spoon, check out Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga, which is quite excellent, and only about 36 minutes long.
― kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 01:00 (fourteen years ago) link
The closer, "Black Like Me," is probably my favorite Spoon track.
― kshighway (ksh), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 01:01 (fourteen years ago) link
eh i think the thing abt these guitar pop records is that you cant guarantee someone will like them, i mean its prolly like with Its never been like that, you either click with it in a way that elevates it or not, you cant talk someone into liking it bc its USP is pretty negligible yeah?
― plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:51 (fourteen years ago) link
In general, I don't think it's possible to talk someone into liking something. The most you can hope to do is talk them into listening to it enough that if it's something they're meant to like, they'll give it enough of a chance for it to click. But you can't guarantee that it will click.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 17:55 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i think that its pretty hard to point out something abt this that might make someone listen to it with a different intention, like when my friend libby was like "oh hey, did you notice that taylor swift is an awesome lyricist" and at first i was like really but then i was like yes u r right and the lyrics became the key to how i liked it. Like i think most things have some novelty factor that often works as a point of entry for getting it, like with phoenix its that it sounds like a formica version of the strokes, and that bateman blankness becomes the punctum i guess, but most of these bands peddle a variation on a theme, and just bc i obsessed over something quite similar doesnt mean im gonna really be that bothered with listening to spoon (or not i dont really know, but its not grabbin me str8 off)
― plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 18:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Give them time. Some days (not just snuggie days) nothing else will do.
If you want "novelty", the two most sonically novel Spoon albums are Kill The Moonlight and the new one.
Boy, am I glad we're not talking about Vampire Weekend anymore.
― Did you say you were going to mangle the light? (staggerlee), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 23:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Spoon; Vampire Weekend of 2010?
― samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 23:55 (fourteen years ago) link
i think you can totally be talked into liking/disliking things & it happens on ilx all the time
― average gangsta rap from average gangstas (deej), Thursday, 4 February 2010 00:37 (fourteen years ago) link
agreed. i often listen to things for the first when i'm in a bad mood and doing something else at the same time, and then decide i don't like it for the longest time and invent some moronic reason about it--it's nice when someone comes along and talks some sense into me.
― samosa gibreel, Thursday, 4 February 2010 00:43 (fourteen years ago) link
still like this but man "diplomat's son" is a miss and a half
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 February 2010 02:53 (fourteen years ago) link
how so?
― Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 February 2010 02:55 (fourteen years ago) link
maybe i need another couple listens to process it but it seems totally formless and boring--i don't think this band's sound palette is interesting enough that they should do long instrumental passages, and then the vocals come back in really briefly at the end which sounds like it's supposed to be a gotcha moment but instead just seems weird and incomplete.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 February 2010 02:58 (fourteen years ago) link
I like how the sweetness of Koenig's falsetto fails to mitigate the hardness of the lyrics; he can't separate how awesome his experience with this guy was from how cruelly they treated each other.
― Inculcate a spirit of serfdom in children (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 February 2010 02:59 (fourteen years ago) link
i'll read the lyrics closely but still think these guys should not do 6-minute songs
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 4 February 2010 03:01 (fourteen years ago) link
yup
― rasta batman gigolo (k3vin k.), Thursday, 4 February 2010 03:01 (fourteen years ago) link
i love the melody on that -- i think of the last three songs on this CD as pretty much one song
― ratface killah (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 February 2010 03:05 (fourteen years ago) link
this is the only song on the album I like! and I like it a lot!
― iatee, Thursday, 4 February 2010 03:16 (fourteen years ago) link