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Why wouldn't they want to bring controversy to a tame show? Controversy sells too.

Jesse, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:15 (sixteen years ago) link

I had never seen those ANTM shots before, and I woke up with them in my brane. Really disturbing for about ten different reasons, at least five of them political. That shit just should not be. :(

kenan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:18 (sixteen years ago) link

I mean, I've seen Suicide Girls shoots before where it was all "oooh, look, a knife and a bunch of fake blood, I am the sexy undead!" and while it didn't seem wank-worthy, it didn't bother me like those ANTM shots did. I am trying to hash out why.

Later, though, I need a little coffee bump.

kenan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:20 (sixteen years ago) link

I really don't want to talk about this at all and I didn't read most of the above discussion, but I don't understand why fashion should be more criticized for discussing crime than any other art form. No one seems to care that the Smiths have song(s) about child murder, but it's fucked up for fashion designers/photographers to address the subject?

n/a, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:20 (sixteen years ago) link

I finally got netflix movies last night (had to report them all as lost) and watched 30 Rock and Waking Up Dead, because I like movies about bands, touring, etc. It's okay, nothing unexpected...the money stuff is interesting, but I have a hard time believing that everybody in Skid Row is only getting a $20 per diem on a Kiss arena tour. That must be after coke expenses.

Jordan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Why wouldn't they want to bring controversy to a tame show? Controversy sells too.
True, but it was still OTT for that show, especially one watched by so many impressionable girls.

DUDES, my bosses are out today.

KitCat, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:22 (sixteen years ago) link

xxpost it's not "addressing the subject," it's crassly exploiting it. At least Morrissey gets to exude some sadness and sympathy. Couture is not capable of doing that.

kenan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:22 (sixteen years ago) link

I mean, I guess you could say that since fashion is an inherently "glamorous" medium, that it is glamorizing violence, but that raises a whole set of other questions (ie, does not other art about violence also glamorize it; does that mean that fashion as an art form cannot address nonglamorous subjects, etc.).

n/a, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:23 (sixteen years ago) link

"I give you... Derelicte!"

kenan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:24 (sixteen years ago) link

n/a nails part of what I've been thinking about with those photos. I had another thought, but I don't really feel like opening a can of worms since I don't think I have the time to word it the way I'd like.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Jeff, are you doing anything fun for your bday this weekend?

KitCat, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Hahaha kenan OTM.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:27 (sixteen years ago) link

I saw one half of one episode of ANTM and it made me have some really patronizing thoughts about fashion design/photography as art so I don't think I'm going to comment.

Jordan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, I think that ANTM is probably to fashion as TRL is to music as Thomas Kincaide is to painting, so you have to take it with a bucket of salt.

n/a, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:36 (sixteen years ago) link

It's one of those cases where if it's convincing it's too creepy and if it's not convincing it's awkward.

Eazy, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:39 (sixteen years ago) link

So when the dick is Project Runway coming back?

kenan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Though it has been reported that the fourth season will premiere November 14th, 2007, Bravo said in late August 2007 that no date had yet been finalized.

grrr. Fuckers. Tim Gunn is my dad and all, but his new show is just a makeover show.

kenan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:41 (sixteen years ago) link

I've never seen a fashion reality/competition show. I saw about 10 minutes of American Idol in a pizza place next to the Addison red line one night -- it was early on in the process, when they were trying to weed through thousands of auditioners -- and that was kind of interesting because no one was very polished or even had accompaniment.

Eazy, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Too much music gear I want to buy:

New semihollowbody guitar (now looking at this)
Reel-to-reel recorder (but there are so many kinds and prices and I don't know anything about it)
Mixer
Mics
Effects pedals
Other crap I don't need

n/a, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Other crap I don't need

but would totally use and enjoy, that's important, too.

kenan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:51 (sixteen years ago) link

I need like $5,000.

n/a, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:51 (sixteen years ago) link

I think it would be especially bitchin' to get a reel-to-reel recorder but in addition to the above misgivings it's probably a bad idea to simultaneously teach myself to use one properly and record a new FF album on it.

n/a, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:53 (sixteen years ago) link

I would watch a game show called I Need Like $5,000, as long as it involved trivia or a wheel of some kind and not degradation.

Eazy, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Cash Cab! Which is a very satisfying half hour of "lolz god people are stupid."

kenan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:55 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost to EZ -I like it. It reminds me of the Billy Dreamer KITH sketches.

KitCat, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:56 (sixteen years ago) link

nick, it seems your "lazy zing" thread has gone monkey side. Too bad. It could have been beautiful. :(

kenan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 14:56 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm craving jellybeans (!).

KitCat, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:00 (sixteen years ago) link

Obv, there must be some important vitamin in jellybeans that my body NEEDS.

KitCat, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:00 (sixteen years ago) link

This is the awesomest, but $160 shipping/handling! http://cgi.ebay.com/Tascam-388-Studio-8-Reel-to-Reel-8-Track-Recorder-Mixer_W0QQitemZ320157757475QQihZ011QQcategoryZ41480QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

n/a, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:01 (sixteen years ago) link

I went through a phase where I ate starburst jellybeans constantly. Jelly Belly scares me...the good ones are great but the bad ones are enough to make me avoid random assortments. I wouldn't mind some sour patch kids though.

Lucy, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:03 (sixteen years ago) link

xp ROAD TRIP @ VEGAS!!!!

dan m, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:04 (sixteen years ago) link

I love Sour Patch Kids!

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:07 (sixteen years ago) link

They're the best. I eat them until my mouth hurts.

Lucy, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:08 (sixteen years ago) link

john . . . are you on here? I just sent you my first sound art piece to listen to!

sweet tater, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:12 (sixteen years ago) link

also, my husband's favorite jelly beans are the starburst ones. he will eat an entire bag in one sitting & so I'm no longer allowed to buy them for him - per his request.

sweet tater, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, jelly bellies require too much work for me because you have to pick out the best ones. I want a candy I can go to town with.

xp ROAD TRIP @ VEGAS!!!!
I wouldn't wanna go to Vegas again (well, not without the boss's money anyway, ha), but EZ's descriptions of the surrounding areas sounded wonderful.

KitCat, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link

also, my husband's...
:-D

KitCat, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Hi. I will go check my e-mail!

jaymc, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, isn't it still kinda weird to say that?

sweet tater, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I like jelly beans ok but my faves are Sugar Babies, which are kind of like jelly beans. They are the same size and shape.

n/a, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I feel like sugar babies get their own category.

sweet tater, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Jelly Beans are too sticky-in-the-teethy for me.

kenan, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Sugar babies are TOO SWEET for lil ol' me.

I am reading this book at my desk:
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/519QNR6WNZL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg

KitCat, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:20 (sixteen years ago) link

It is extremely easy to read and entertaining. I enjoyed her other book too. It's just funny though, because she's this woman in her 60's who keeps slipping into rants about Kids These Days...

KitCat, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:21 (sixteen years ago) link

I was just talking the other night about how some married guys I know say "the wife" (as in "I gotta go check up on the wife") and it strikes me as self-conscious and goofy and playful, but then other people say it and while I can tell there was originally an ironic intent, it seems to have been lost over time and they just sound like depressed middle-aged men.

jaymc, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link

I will NEVER say "Hubby"

sweet tater, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:25 (sixteen years ago) link

"Hubby Leaf and I went to Jo-Ann Fabrics after work."

jaymc, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:25 (sixteen years ago) link

What about "the old ball and chain"?

n/a, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:25 (sixteen years ago) link

(Note: Sarah wants to go to Jo-Ann Fabrics)

n/a, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:26 (sixteen years ago) link

I go there too frequently it seems.

sweet tater, Wednesday, 19 September 2007 15:26 (sixteen years ago) link


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