"OK Computer": Classic Or Dud?

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Why the FUCK wasn't "Let Down" ever released as a single??

Unknown User, Saturday, 5 June 2004 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link

it was pushed on radio a bit but the band was supposedly horrified with the video that was created for it.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 5 June 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

OKC means less to me than any one of a number of Westerberg's songs because they wrote about the things that alienate society instead of society itself. Compare the pathos in Skyway to android's feelings, and well...

No Surprises is quite beautiful, though.

smirky, Sunday, 6 June 2004 07:19 (nineteen years ago) link

OK Computer is one of those albums I almost don't need to listen to any more, but it's unlikely I'll stop loving it or ever think of it as anything but a classic. AND YOU CAN'T STOP ME AHAHAHAHAHA.

There's not a track on it I'd skip, there's not a moment where I think 'eh, get on with it'; it feels utterly natural in a way that few records do, the way parts move around one another, little hints of melody sneak out from behind the vocals and the bulk of backing. I don't think that's just because it's familiar: it's not comforting&well-remembered, I can't predict it, but it fits together. There is no way it could be any better, and in that sense it's polished; yet it isn't bland or immaculate, the anger to it isn't po-faced but caustic, the resignation isn't ironic but almost glorifies in itself. There's that guitar noise in it, soaring, which has always made me think of hope and the spiralling flight of birds or flames into the sky.

And 'exit music' still makes me cry.

(plus it's a fucking huge leap from the Bends, which is just an indie rock record.)

(hahahaha purple prose attack! for my next trick I will explain how Richey James Feels My Pain--
& thus here is the true glory of OKC: it makes me fourteen again.)

cis (cis), Sunday, 6 June 2004 09:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Rah for Cis! Purple prose is no worry when it's so well written. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 6 June 2004 13:25 (nineteen years ago) link

eeeeee, thank you. :)

cis (cis), Sunday, 6 June 2004 16:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Great, great album -- as long as one doesn't begin to think of it as some sort of coherent Luddite proclamation. So it's "about" fear of technology or whatever; sure, it has all the necessary buzzwords, but now what? So does Zevon's Transverse City. If it were called OK Polluter and had a couple of random references to oil slicks and Exxon, people would be falling over themselves praising it as the definitive statement on the environmental crisis.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Sunday, 6 June 2004 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

"here is the true glory of OKC: it makes me fourteen again.)"

see, some of us hate feeling that way

Patrick Kinghorn, Sunday, 6 June 2004 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I was twenty six when it came out and it was a nice summer, so hey!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 6 June 2004 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I was 18 and into different things.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Sunday, 6 June 2004 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

My friends all LOVED it.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Sunday, 6 June 2004 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Muse expresses the same robo-corp-alienation stuff in amuch more tuneful; and rockin' way and the singer doesn't have that baleful glottal glurp voice thing.

Ian G, Sunday, 6 June 2004 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

in amuch more tuneful; and rockin' way

One key reason why they're so dull.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 6 June 2004 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
ok computer is a beautifu album
the best of all time
the lyrics, the riffs, the voice, the sounds, the noise
it all combine craeting perfection
it`s an experinece!!!!

Adrian, Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I am literally one of three people on the planet who thinks -- and is willing to say out loud -- that Radiohead is completely overrated. It's like saying nothing satisfies your appetite like a plate of babies after a long day of puppy killing. You know. Kinda like that.

Kali (Kali), Thursday, 20 April 2006 16:02 (eighteen years ago) link

You can still say that after reading this thread?

Jedmond (Jedmond), Thursday, 20 April 2006 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, sure, there's only three of you. aren't they about equally hated and revered on ilm? if anything, probably a bit more hated.

oops, xpost.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 20 April 2006 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

The Paranoid Android video is the worst music video ever made.
-- David Allen (Davidalle...), June 5th, 2004.

The statement "you are insane" can only hint at my frustratingly intense disagreement.


Why the FUCK wasn't "Let Down" ever released as a single??
-- Unknown User (unknownuse...), June 5th, 2004.

it was pushed on radio a bit but the band was supposedly horrified with the video that was created for it.
-- Anthony Miccio (anthonymicci...), June 5th, 2004.

Makes sense. I remember hearing Pinfield on 120 Minutes saying that they originally intended to make a video for every song. Also I remember around the time "Karma Police" was released as a video, most of the rock stations were playing "Let Down" instead. I don't think it was until much later in the year that there was any demand to add "Karma Police" to radio playlists.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Thursday, 20 April 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

i take c-mans dog man star and up a generation terrorists or maybe an xtrmntr. ok computer is totaly about town planning isn't it? or maybe it's about pot-heads at the rec i'm not sure. nice noises but big dave gilmour and jaz kooner done 'em better, not at the same time though.

pscott (elwisty), Thursday, 20 April 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

actually fin de siecle is probably better. so add joby talbot to the list.

pscott (elwisty), Thursday, 20 April 2006 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

nice noises but big dave gilmour...done 'em better

I remember returning to the States from a year abroad (i.e., Germany by way of Glastonbury, etc.; circa 1997) and weathering a small, but insistent, chorus of naysayers characterizing Radiohead in general, and OK Computer in particular, as nothing more than Pink Floyd II.

I found and find (see above) this critique/characterization puzzling because, as a fan of Floyd in general, and WYWH, Meddle, Animals, The Final Cut, The Wall, and DSOTM, in particular -- I don't hear the sonic parallel(s). Sure, OK Computer is a 'concept' album and some Floyd albums are, too -- but sonically?

As I own the above (and then some) Floyd LPs, might one of the choir step forward and do some one-to-one matching for me? I'd love to make a back-to-back playlist of the allegedly infringing Radiohead tracks and their Floyd origins.

Zimmer026 (Zimmer026), Thursday, 20 April 2006 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link

The last two tracks on OK Computer are about as Floyd as Radiohead ever get, and the "rain down" bit of "Paranoid Android" does remind me of the last part of "A Saucerful Of Secrets", which might not be complete speculation given that Jonny Greenwood made the rest of the band watch Pink Floyd At Pompeii, jokingly or otherwise.

Lotta Continua (Damian), Thursday, 20 April 2006 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Other than that, there are other prog-era bands that Radiohead have superficial similarities to.

Lotta Continua (Damian), Thursday, 20 April 2006 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic, absolutely so. I was listening to it today and it was still every bit as powerful as I remembered it. Truly, I think it deserves the credit it gets. I never get the feeling that it is cold or inhuman or anything like that, either. To me, its as moving and as emotional as rock music has really gotten.

Harrison Barr (Petar), Thursday, 20 April 2006 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link

More overrated than Radiohead: acting like you're the only person who thinks that Radiohead is overrated.

OK Computer is pretty close to classic. Since then, however, Radiohead has become one of those acts that people get religiously weird about which is pretty uncomfortable.

Sean Braudis (Sean Braudis), Thursday, 20 April 2006 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I heart this album, but it does concern me that it is gradually assuming the status of Sgt. Pepper's or Dark Side Of The Moon, at least where "Best Album Ever" polls are concerned.

Lotta Continua (Damian), Thursday, 20 April 2006 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic!

Tokyo Ghost Stories (Tokyo Ghost Stories), Thursday, 20 April 2006 23:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Gotta admit they touched a nerve with a lot of people, regardless of how strong the album really is. I think it lives up to 2/3 of the hype, but that's purely track-by-track which almost never is the real reason something either catches on or not IMO.

fandango (fandango), Friday, 21 April 2006 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link

"Airbag", "Exit Music", and "The Tourist" make this a classic in my book

joe schmoe (joeschmoe), Friday, 21 April 2006 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic, no doubt!

None of their other output is close in quality though.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 21 April 2006 00:11 (eighteen years ago) link

haha i really must get round to selling my copy of this album!

(whoever said that 'lucky' is secretly the best song was otm, however it still isn't good enough for me to still want to hear it particularly ever)

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 21 April 2006 11:49 (eighteen years ago) link

whats stopping you? guilty pleasure perhaps? ;)

fandango (fandango), Friday, 21 April 2006 11:54 (eighteen years ago) link

haha NO, it's just that i have a massive pile of stuff to sell but haven't organised it yet!

i might just take some action and throw ok computer in the bin or something.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 21 April 2006 11:58 (eighteen years ago) link

give it to charity

it will look nice next to all those Girls Aloud albums ;) ;)

fandango (fandango), Friday, 21 April 2006 12:00 (eighteen years ago) link

It is my fourth favorite Radiohead album!

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 21 April 2006 12:03 (eighteen years ago) link

i keep it far, far away from my girls aloud albums - wouldn't want them sullied

xp

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 21 April 2006 12:04 (eighteen years ago) link

it's a lot better than 'dark side' or 'sgt pepper'. not quite as good as 'what will the neighbours say'.

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Friday, 21 April 2006 12:05 (eighteen years ago) link

mental note: lex owns a radiohead album

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Friday, 21 April 2006 12:05 (eighteen years ago) link

"Climbing up the Walls" is my favorite when I listen to the album, though I can see why some hate it. "The Tourist" is good but slightly worse than the rest and it could be argued that it's unnecessary.

How do the OKC haters feel about the artwork and the visual themes generally? Before I heard anything I liked off the album, I had to admit the album cover was really appealling and interesting. Especially because I hated the cover art for The Bends with a passion. Pablo Honey's cover was bad, too. No one can argue that OK Computer isn't the first decent Radiohead cover art, right??

richardk (Richard K), Friday, 21 April 2006 12:06 (eighteen years ago) link

oh i think it's better than sgt pepper yes!

all radiohead cover art &c is kind of hilariously awful in its relentless confusing of cryptic nothingness with Big Meaningful Messages - ok computer no exception. i can't really remember what their other albums looked like.

mental note: lex owns a radiohead album

not as of...TONIGHT, bubba.

(btw the reason 'lucky' is tolerable and the rest isn't for me is because on 'lucky' there is this one great moment where thom yorke sings really low, and it turns out that when he does that his voice is kind of rich and great! but when he sings high, ie 99% of the time, it is a quite, quite disgusting noise.)

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 21 April 2006 12:12 (eighteen years ago) link

1. doesn't know anything abt UK geography
2. can't swim
3. can't ride a bike
4. owns a radiohead album

RJG (RJG), Friday, 21 April 2006 12:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I hardly ever listen to these guys anymore ...but i have much more of a soft spot for Kid A than this album. probably because i enjoy warm synths a lot more than cold guitars

lemin (lemin), Friday, 21 April 2006 12:25 (eighteen years ago) link

"The Tourist" is good but slightly worse than the rest and it could be argued that it's unnecessary.

I cannot accept this.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 21 April 2006 12:44 (eighteen years ago) link

'the tourist' is a bit toooooo floyd.

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Friday, 21 April 2006 12:45 (eighteen years ago) link

me too

fandango (fandango), Friday, 21 April 2006 12:46 (eighteen years ago) link

you're a bit too floyd?

25 yr old slacker cokehead (Enrique), Friday, 21 April 2006 12:48 (eighteen years ago) link

ahaha... it was my redundant usenet style way of saying "ditto" "I agree completely with that" etcetera.

Time to get off the computer for a while methinks ;)

fandango (fandango), Friday, 21 April 2006 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic but Kid A blew me away more than Ok Computer did.

Stone (stone), Friday, 21 April 2006 14:09 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

I finally added this to my iPod and joy is mine.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 9 August 2008 23:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Absolute classic. This is one of those records that has always and consistently been an undercurrent in whatever musical identity I've had at a given time. Not embarrassed to say.

soundofair, Sunday, 10 August 2008 00:08 (fifteen years ago) link


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