love in this club and like that new mario song don't seem that out of the ordinary or that much like crunk to me-- just good r&bish songs but nothing worthy of trendwatching as far as polow goes
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:31 (sixteen years ago) link
"falsetto" and "love in this club" being the on-trend ones, "like you'll never see me again" and "i remember" = pretty standard ballads.
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link
sarge: Well, of course. There are always going to be vanilla ballads on r&b radio, but that's not really a trend so much as a fact of life.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link
What's "I Remember"?
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link
do any of the ones just mentioned fit into the "Please don't stop the music" 4x4 trend? isn't "with you" like chris brown's country song ???
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link
keyshia cole
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link
and the way i are and don't stop the music aren't r&b songs and it's kinda stupid for people to treat them as such imo just because they are done by vaguely r&B artists
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link
nope, none fit the 4/4 trend... but you should check out "ditch that" by the-dream if you haven't heard it
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:34 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah some of the album tracks on love/hate and that new ne-yo song are more of where i see the 4x4 trend
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link
love that song
xp house pretty much is r&b though
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Sarge: they aren't really, but their certainly being listened to and absorbed by r&b audiences and more importantly, r&b artists. Also, "Sexyback" is the true starting point of this trend.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:36 (sixteen years ago) link
"My Love" !!!!
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:36 (sixteen years ago) link
for both trends maybe
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:37 (sixteen years ago) link
sarge how are they not R&B
― deej, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:37 (sixteen years ago) link
of those two i could only buy the way i are as r&b because of tim's past and cuz keri hilson is on it, 'please don't stop the music' isn't that far away from 's.o.s.' or 'break it off' or other stuff that rihanna has done
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:39 (sixteen years ago) link
"My Love" = starting point of the trance-synth side of the coin, but "Sexyback" for the 4x4 beat. (Then Timbo got the great idea to combine the two for "The Way I Are".)
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:39 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah "my love" was kind of the start of this whole trance&b thing no?
I can see why sarge wouldn't consider DSTM R&B, since Rihanna is pretty much a pure pop singer
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:40 (sixteen years ago) link
yo americans, if you're so big up on this house r&b stuff, you guys should check out some of the biggest R&B singles in the UK: Kelly Rowland - Work (Freemasons Remix) and Taio Cruz - Come On Girl
― danzig, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:40 (sixteen years ago) link
as for what rev says about r&b people consuming those songs-- if youre talking about radio i think that's only because urban top 40 and pop radio have some type of overlap, i mean the station here that plays ruben studdard and gerald levert would never play don't stop the music or the way i are where as the stations that play flo rida and miley cyrus play those two all day
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:41 (sixteen years ago) link
love in this club is basically a rip of my love imo-- the way the synths are so layered in the first 5 seconds of both, its almost identical
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Okay, so where do things like "Sensual Seduction" and "I'm So High/"She's So Fly" fit into this picture?
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:42 (sixteen years ago) link
well the station that plays reuben studard and gerald levert is like.. urban ac.. which isn't really the go-to format for cutting edge music... but "Way I Are" got played on Ryhthmic/R&B and Urban stations.. as well as top 40/pop.
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:43 (sixteen years ago) link
i think both are great though xp
as for tim-- i've noticed more of like, i don't even know what you'd call it ( i always think of the way he stutters the drums), but like on "ayo technology" or "ice box" or "anonymous" or "elevator". those are the songs i think of when i think of tim's style/trend of the past few years, not really "sexy back" or even the furtado stuff
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:44 (sixteen years ago) link
xp tot he rev: that shit's all coming from Miami
(maybe not geographically but that whole Miami sound which can probably be associated with what we're calling trance/crunk whatever)
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:44 (sixteen years ago) link
"i'm so high" has a sort of electro thing going on, but I guess sonically it would fit with the trance&b type stuff
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:45 (sixteen years ago) link
I would buy the whole "My Love" thing except that it's almost twice as FAST as all the other shit in the trance-crunk trend...
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:45 (sixteen years ago) link
fwiw, the r&b radio station here would never in a million years play Studdard or Levert (or Cyrus), but they certainly have played the hell out of "The Way I Are", and to a lesser extent, "Don't Stop the Music".
Also, "Love in the Club" is totally influenced by other things that have come out since "My Love". There's more than a year's worth of influence cycles left out of that equation.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:47 (sixteen years ago) link
sensual seduction is kind of just a straight t-pain rip that could only be pulled off by a dude with a weird history like snoop-- musically it's not that far off from like 'bartender' or something
i love i'm so high because it sounds kinda timeless to me-- it could be from 3 years ago or 3 weeks ago or 3 years from now imo. no vocoder, no 4x4 shit etc.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:48 (sixteen years ago) link
re: Miami
see: the Runners, Cool & Dre, and now Shawty Redd (not from MIA I know) is really running with that sound...big washy wynths, 120ish bpms, smooth vibe a la "Sensual seduction" it's VIBE music and it rules, watch Lil Wayne get way into this sound
this is getting confusing now
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:48 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah it is lol
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah matrix otm re miami sound-- it's more of a vibe, esp in the airy synths. that ball greezy track is another
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't know if I consider it a "miami sound" per se because Timbo, The-Dream, Polow, Ryan Leslie, etc. aren't from miami
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link
and they've all done that smooth, syhth-washed sound
yes that Grindmode is a perfect example of what I'm talking about...notice Rick Ross's whole album sounds like this besides one Bink production
and Ball greezy, and that Static ft. Wayne, and Shawty Redd "Drifter"
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:51 (sixteen years ago) link
"My Love" is 60 bpm!
otm re Miami as the center of the trance-crunk thing, tho
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Lollipop doesn't really sound like that at all though!
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:52 (sixteen years ago) link
the thing that i think is the difference between grind mode/ball greezy/lollipop/whatever we are calling "miami sound" is the simplicity, like polow/dream stuff is just way busier (not nec in a bad way), but that's what really struck me about "i'm so high"
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Lollipop = "Low" + T-Pain
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:53 (sixteen years ago) link
also spaciousness in the miami stuff
wait low has t-pain on it
Ryan Leslie I'll give you but the otehr stuff is different, it's more of a disco/rnb throwback stuff, which obviously blew up with "Sensual Seduction" but has been bubbling with a bunch of tracks that come more from RnB than they do from hip hop or crunk
"My Love" is 120 bpm in my book
aaaaannnndd "Lollipop" = some weird exception that I have not yet wrapped my head around
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link
it's really cute watching you guys try to conflate about 5 different trends being followed by 50 different artists into one tidy narrative.
― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link
so what I'm saying is "Love in this club" et al DO NOT EQUAL "miami sound"
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:55 (sixteen years ago) link
why do you hate fun alex
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:55 (sixteen years ago) link
alex in b'more: http://www.rondak.org/Images/publicfigs/cop4.jpg
― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 March 2008 20:55 (sixteen years ago) link
wait til "Miami Vice" gets dropped as Weezy's second single (fingers crossed)...see rolling ringtone for a link
I don't think anyone's trying to squash this all into one narrative.
― The Reverend, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:57 (sixteen years ago) link
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yo this was amazing
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:57 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't know if I can agree with you guys painting the "miami sound" as cool and breezy - where does "i'm so hood" fit in? "the boss"? "we takin over"? hell, "drifter" is pretty intense - and isn't shawty redd from atl?
― The Brainwasher, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:57 (sixteen years ago) link
just cuz it comes from MIA doesnt mean it has to fit this sound we're talking about
― Preview of the Matrix 12, Friday, 28 March 2008 20:59 (sixteen years ago) link