Alice Coltrane - S/D

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AND she's still being bigged up by the likes of Thom Yorke, Jonny Greenwood, Keiran Hebden, Adem, Bobby Gillespie

Well do I remember Bobby Gillespie getting into trouble because he tried to exchange his milk tokens for a copy of A Monastic Trio on the day of its release. He got a good skelpin'!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Just one thing regarding this piece by Mark Richardson. Ornette didn't write the string arrangements for "Universal Consciousness." The album credits specify:

"String arrangements by Alice Coltrane, transcription by Ornette Coleman."

Ornette's only involvement with the arrangement appears to have been their literal notation.

In Ornette Coleman's biography, A Harmolodic Life, it also says Alice sat in with Ornette's group at Village Gate, and thus he offered to return the favor by helping her with transcriptions on "Universal Consciousness." His participation in the actual writing of the arrangements went no further than that.

Turangalila (Salvador), Thursday, 18 January 2007 04:36 (seventeen years ago) link

You're correct, thanks for pointing out the error & this should be fixed.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 18 January 2007 05:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I was genuinely gutted about this news, and my working hours this week have been soundtracked chiefly by 'Universal Consciousness', 'A Monastic Trio' and 'Ptah The El Daoud'. I had a ticket to the Barbican show as well.

Daniel Paton (angriest dog), Thursday, 18 January 2007 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Recent live show up here:
bigozine3.com/rarities/?p=161
(sorry, i don't know how to make that an actual link. copy and paste, y'all)

Tyler W (tylerw), Thursday, 18 January 2007 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I got to talk to Roy Haynes for a few minutes when AC and the band played John's 80th birthday celebration in Ann Arbor. He said that after she studied with Bud Powell, she could sound just like him, and often riffed off Powell when in Gibbs's band.

She played a lot around Detroit before the Gibbs band, but her daughter Michelle (who I also got to meet when they were here) said that recording oppt'y was rare for a woman with a small child. Yusef Lateef (who she played with here) used to drive to NY to record and turn around & drive right back. Usually 5 guys in an Econoline van. No room for momma & baby, really.

We are so glad we got to see her play last September. We thought she'd be around a lot longer, but you never know.

A Monastic Trio is probably my favorite.

J Arthur Rank (Quin Tillian), Thursday, 18 January 2007 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link

ten months pass...

I bought "Elements" based on the recommendations on this thread, and I'm really enjoying it: the semi-slow hypnotic groove, the freeish but soulful playing, the echo and tape effects... Are there any other Henderson or Alice Coltrane LPs that would sound like this? I already have "Journey to Satchidananda".

Tuomas, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 11:27 (sixteen years ago) link

I can't speak to Henderson's records from this time, but "Elements" isn't really a typical Alice set. However, I would recommend any of her albums as worth hearing. But if you're looking for the next one you should get, seek "Ptah the El Daoud" which features Joe H and Pharoah Sanders as a double tenor front line.

Sparkle Motion, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 23:19 (sixteen years ago) link

maybe check out 'Lawrence of Newark' by Larry Young.

jaxon, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 23:27 (sixteen years ago) link

or Herbie's "Mwandishi"

jaxon, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 23:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Mwandishi is an excellent suggestion--the 2 disc CD is a bargain.

Sparkle Motion, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 05:59 (sixteen years ago) link

I already have Crossings and Sextant, and I've been meaning to get Mwandishi for years... That Larry Young album sounds very interesting too, I think I'll check that one and Ptah the El Daoud when I visit the local jazz store next time. Thanks for the recommendations!

Tuomas, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 21:37 (sixteen years ago) link

You may also wish to get Eddie Henderson's "Anthonology Vol.2", which contains the albums "Realization" and "Inside Out". The lineup is more or less the same as on Mwandishi, if I remember correctly.
You may want to look at the kozmigroov a-list.
Recently I've dusted off a few of these (after my initial kozmi-kick in 2003 or so) and been particularly fond of Don Cherry's "Brown Rice".

I suppose Pharoah Sanders' albums are probably the best next bet after Alice Coltrane, if you haven't got those already.

Øystein, Thursday, 6 December 2007 11:38 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I would always turn off Ptah after 10 minutes because I felt like it wasn't going anywhere, and because it was all listed as one track I just assumed it was 40 minutes riffing on the same idea.

Imagine my surprise this week when I let it play to the 12th minute.

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 this record now

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 8 February 2009 07:55 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=140743198&m=140701953
^^^ alice's piano jazz interview/peformance. really great.

tylerw, Friday, 23 September 2011 19:19 (twelve years ago) link

wow, just got to the bit where she's jamming a Chopin prelude, beautiful playing.

zappi, Friday, 23 September 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link

Is there any way to download that? Besides recording it?

elan, Saturday, 24 September 2011 16:24 (twelve years ago) link

this is where i first got it -- link still works! http://ileoxumare.blogspot.com/2008/03/marian-mcpartlands-piano-jazz-with.html

tylerw, Saturday, 24 September 2011 18:55 (twelve years ago) link

Thanks!!!!

elan, Saturday, 24 September 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

been jamming the cassette-only divine songs from 1987 and it is blowing my mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvliDHTvxTQ

a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Monday, 30 December 2013 22:19 (ten years ago) link

someone told me there is an LP of this album floating around -- is it a bootleg or something? they should really put out this stuff in more readily available form, it is very good.

tylerw, Monday, 30 December 2013 22:25 (ten years ago) link

Laura Veirs pays tribute on her (awesome) new album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyEOt-qjNH0

a fifth of misty beethoven (cryptosicko), Monday, 30 December 2013 22:30 (ten years ago) link

xp discogs says divine songs got a cd release, and a recent unofficial lp release.

fit and working again, Monday, 30 December 2013 23:45 (ten years ago) link

yeah I heard abt the vinyl boot, didn't know abt the CD

either way this is quickly becoming one of my faves by her, on some kinda cosmic-stax/volt-moroder trip over here

a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 01:05 (ten years ago) link

cd reissue please

the late great, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 01:57 (ten years ago) link

According to this blog post, there are actually four devotional releases.

Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 02:29 (ten years ago) link

Active link to the first of them, "Turiya Sings," imo the best thing she ever did:

http://rootstrata.com/rootblog/?p=4463

J. Sam, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 02:31 (ten years ago) link

HOLD THE PRESSES

http://www.innerpath.com/divine-songs-cd/

a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 06:45 (ten years ago) link

They have this one too...I wonder if they take Paypal?
http://www.innerpath.com/infinite-chants-cd/

Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 11:40 (ten years ago) link

they do! but it's out of stock

ordered a copy of divine songs before you vultures have a chance to make it disappear

a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 15:30 (ten years ago) link

divine songs out of stock now as well

a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 20:53 (ten years ago) link

guilty as charged ;)

sleeve, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 21:07 (ten years ago) link

My copies have already shipped...

Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 21:11 (ten years ago) link

mine too, krishna is totally on top of the logistics over there

a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 21:24 (ten years ago) link

wonder if they're meditating on the origins of this sudden surge in turiyasangitananda demand

a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 21:27 (ten years ago) link

never really investigated the post-impulse period before. looks like there was a devotional-style release on warners in '76 called radha-krsna nama sankirtana... which is actually on spotify....

a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Tuesday, 31 December 2013 22:54 (ten years ago) link

yah i used to have that on LP, kinda wish I still did

sleeve, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 22:59 (ten years ago) link

in general I prefer harp to Rhodes, though

I really like that piano thing she did as a radio broadcast too

sleeve, Tuesday, 31 December 2013 23:00 (ten years ago) link

radha-krsna nama sankirtana

B side of this is kind of an awesome organs/drums duet with Alice and one of her sons.

RID US OF SPACE BORES (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 1 January 2014 05:58 (ten years ago) link

yeah the marian mcpartland radio thing kills, giant steps duet is heavenly

mustread guy (schlump), Wednesday, 1 January 2014 06:40 (ten years ago) link

btw I can't link it right now but googling for the tape above led me to a blog with a mix called Saved from the fire compiling some of these releases, which sounds good so far

mustread guy (schlump), Wednesday, 1 January 2014 06:42 (ten years ago) link

anybody care to re-up that radio piano thing

a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Wednesday, 1 January 2014 08:10 (ten years ago) link

I tweeted that a month or so ago
http://www.npr.org/2011/09/23/140743198/alice-coltrane-on-piano-jazz

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 1 January 2014 16:35 (ten years ago) link

thx man... when I clicked on the previous NPR link it looked like it had disappeared...

a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Wednesday, 1 January 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link

here's a link to the saved from a fire devotional mix schlump mentioned

http://dublab.com/rbma-radio-saved-from-the-fire-the-ashram-tapes-of-alice-coltrane-by-frosty/

but it really just scratches the surface and lacks some of the more jaw-dropping moments from these albums IMO

lost in a turiyasangitananda k-hole rn

a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Wednesday, 1 January 2014 16:47 (ten years ago) link

looks like there was a devotional-style release on warners in '76 called radha-krsna nama sankirtana

I have that on CD (on the Wounded Bird label). This guy right here. It's really good.

Austin, Wednesday, 1 January 2014 17:02 (ten years ago) link

I adore those super obscure Alice things from the 80s, too, would love to own them! They are a real revelation.

I think the first side of that Radha-Krsna thing one is pretty great/uplifting and the second side jam is incredibly bad... easily the worst thing she ever touched, mostly because John's son is a terrible drummer! That 2xcd live thing Transfiguration is 100x better if you want to hear her wailing away endlessly like that. Her wonderful John-imitation with the electric organ is front and center in the mix and sometimes comes uncannily close to his sound.

I recently got a 1970's McCoy Tyner album (Extensions, I think) where she is prominently playing harp which I had never heard of before and that's pretty amazing stuff, too!!! Highly recommended.

liam fennell, Thursday, 2 January 2014 13:33 (ten years ago) link

beautiful, beautiful thread revive

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 2 January 2014 14:22 (ten years ago) link

I recently got a 1970's McCoy Tyner album (Extensions, I think) where she is prominently playing harp which I had never heard of before and that's pretty amazing stuff, too!!! Highly recommended.

This album is part of an excellent Mosaic Records 3CD set gathering Tyner's late '60s/early '70s Blue Note albums, all of which are great.

Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 2 January 2014 15:10 (ten years ago) link

I remember before she died she had another devotional album prepped...I guess it never happened.

"Turkey In The Straw" coming from someplace in the clouds (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 2 January 2014 17:27 (ten years ago) link


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