100 Reasons Why "Ignition - Remix" Is So Damned Great

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103) if the ilx massive takes this thread up to 200 reasons then world domination cannot be far off

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 20:47 (twenty years ago) link

104) and you're right Cozen the "it's like murder she wrote" line is genius

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 20:47 (twenty years ago) link

105) and totally incongruous.

Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 15 June 2003 20:57 (twenty years ago) link

106) well yeah hence the genius

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 15 June 2003 21:04 (twenty years ago) link

106) aye

Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 15 June 2003 21:05 (twenty years ago) link

107) How is it that a man who can make a song as horrible as "I Believe I Can Fly" also create something as perfect and sublime as "Ignition (Remix)"? Somehow the fact that he has made some truly awful songs in his career makes this song even better.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Sunday, 15 June 2003 22:27 (twenty years ago) link

"then I'll take it to your room and--- (beat rat a tats) ---somebody."

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 15 June 2003 23:14 (twenty years ago) link

108)After the "peeing on a 14 year-old" thing broke, R. was a shamed, sorry human being, looking for a hug. Then he realized he could still sell records, and now it's like he revels in being sexy in a kinda lectcherous way. This is his rebirth.

Colin McElligatt, Sunday, 15 June 2003 23:39 (twenty years ago) link

109. It doesn't sound very reggae or Prince to me, but Philly soul. It's really got the same sort of smoothness.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Sunday, 15 June 2003 23:42 (twenty years ago) link

I NEED TO HEAR THIS SONG SO MUTHERFUCKIN' BAD!

Goddamnit! Why I have I not heard this yet. Who DENIES me?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 15 June 2003 23:46 (twenty years ago) link

110. That even though I've thought about it for months now, I still can't figure out what the closing metaphor ("You must be a football coach/The way you got me playin’ the field") means but I still smile everytime I hear it. Someone wanna try to parse that rhyme down?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 16 June 2003 00:25 (twenty years ago) link

"If there's grass on the field..."

Kris (aqueduct), Monday, 16 June 2003 00:28 (twenty years ago) link

What do you guys think of "Snake"?

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Monday, 16 June 2003 00:28 (twenty years ago) link

Cuz who's the football coach? And if it's another woman, why would she be pleased to hear that she's inspired RK to fuck around? Is RK fucking a HIPPIE?!?!?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 16 June 2003 00:31 (twenty years ago) link

Can someone explain what Murder She Wrote has to do with the lyrics? I am totally fucking baffled by that reference.

In context:

now its like Murder She Wrote
once I get you out them clothes
privacy is on the door
still they can hear you screamin' more
girl im feelin what you feelin
no more hopin' and wishin'
I'm 'bout to take my key and
stick it in the ignition

I......can't.....stop.....listening.....to......it.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 16 June 2003 01:12 (twenty years ago) link

About the football reference - you know, she's making him work hard to get her (he's "playing the field" = out to get girls). So he's playing the field, like football. She's, um, like his football coach. Or something. It barely works, but I get it.

111) What does this song have in common with the original "Ignition" besides some lyrical similarities, chiefly the really awful "stick my key in the ignition" vagina/woman = car thing? How is a completely different song on every level a remix?

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 16 June 2003 01:17 (twenty years ago) link

murder she wrote = screaming overheard from behind closed doors?

minna (minna), Monday, 16 June 2003 01:30 (twenty years ago) link

well, it's based on the same drum pattern/sound as "Ignition", although it adds in some hi-hats and stuff, and expands on the famed "bounce bounce bounce bounce".

also, I think "Murder She Wrote" is being employed with the same meaning as "that's all she wrote". that is, it's ovah.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 16 June 2003 01:50 (twenty years ago) link

I don't know. I think of a band like the Ramones who used the same drum pattern/sound all the time, and repeated lyrics too, and yet it is easy to accept those all as being different songs. It's just funny to think of a song which sounds very, very different from another with shared elements being considered an alternate version.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 16 June 2003 01:55 (twenty years ago) link

also, I think "Murder She Wrote" is being employed with the same meaning as "that's all she wrote". that is, it's ovah.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 16 June 2003 02:06 (twenty years ago) link

I guess that makes sense, I'll go with it.

But "murder" and "that's all" have the same number of syllables! Why sing "murder" instead?

So weird! But I like it.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 16 June 2003 02:09 (twenty years ago) link

What does this song have in common with the original "Ignition" besides some lyrical similarities, chiefly the really awful "stick my key in the ignition" vagina/woman = car thing? How is a completely different song on every level a remix?

You have to hear the two side by side on the album for it to really click.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Monday, 16 June 2003 02:11 (twenty years ago) link

Are there any other similarly great songs on Chocolate Factory?

The only R Kelly album which I own is the record with Jay-Z, which has some fantastic stuff on it, "Honey" and "Shake Yo Body" in particular.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 16 June 2003 02:34 (twenty years ago) link

"Murder She Wrote" = Chaka Demus & Pliers dancehall hit from early '90s. There's your reggae link John D.

There's also the whole "I'm-a murder that coochie" vibe there that is mighty distasteful if you think about it much but who's thinking? To think is not TO DO. And that's ALL he wants to do.

Neudonym, Monday, 16 June 2003 03:25 (twenty years ago) link

Are there any other similarly great songs on Chocolate Factory?

The title track and "Snake" are pretty great, but the album, on the whole, is unremarkable.

Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Monday, 16 June 2003 03:36 (twenty years ago) link

Does anyone here remember "You Remind Me of My Jeep" from like three or so R Kelly records ago? Similar idea to "let me stick my key in the ignition" but far more ridiculous.

sammy, Monday, 16 June 2003 04:28 (twenty years ago) link

112) He starts with an apology: "I'm not tryin' to be rude..."

113) How slow is this damn song? You can't mix it with anything. The party slows down like bullet time when the man walks in.

114) Said party is suspiciously like a gender-segregated seventh grade dance: fellas on the left, honeys on the right. The ringmaster's job is to bring them together.

115) Stretch Navigator...yes, a simple Navigator isn't enough to contain this party; however, all overt bling (Cristal, Nav) is strictly throwaway in the verses. The important stuff is in the chorus. Toot toot.

116) *Freakin'?* Who says freakin'? It's like he just finished watching Goodfellas and Casino on broadcast television before he wrote the chorus.

r. geary (rgeary), Monday, 16 June 2003 04:34 (twenty years ago) link

I got so hooked. I think I listened to this song 100 times today.

s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 16 June 2003 05:19 (twenty years ago) link

that chorus is like crack

s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 16 June 2003 05:20 (twenty years ago) link

i like his fat mate doing the bouncy hand gestures behind him in the bit with the shelf of bottles - why he there ?

the nerdy clothing jewellery mix, the crouchy dance, that video is great.

he doesn't have a fro in the vid = it's all about the wanting/ the dreaming, ever been at a cool party but thought damn..if only (x) would happen this would be a McCutchian perfect moment.

s.r.w. (s.r.w.), Monday, 16 June 2003 06:37 (twenty years ago) link

117. It has saved ILM!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 16 June 2003 07:00 (twenty years ago) link

118. The way the chorus sounds totally wistful for an as-yet-happening present ('the weekend' is here!)

119. As noted by Tim F, the fronthanded backhandedness of the bawdy insinuation of those kick drums.

Cozen (Cozen), Monday, 16 June 2003 11:22 (twenty years ago) link

113) How slow is this damn song? You can't mix it with anything. The party slows down like bullet time when the man walks in

There was a spot on the Saturday Show at the weekend where one of Blazing Squad was dj-ing, mixing it with garage. Sounded great.

David (David), Monday, 16 June 2003 11:39 (twenty years ago) link

There's a much faster garagey mix doing the rounds, I hear it a lot in shops. I don't like it, though.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 16 June 2003 11:45 (twenty years ago) link

The Blazing Squad guy was just mixing a garage record over the R. Kelly at what sounded pretty much like its original speed. Not sure what the bpm of the R. Kelly is but it's very slow so it might well be an almost exact half of a typical garage tempo, say 140->70.

David (David), Monday, 16 June 2003 11:55 (twenty years ago) link

120. OK, this far in, and STILL no one has mentioned the best part of the song - the sing-song back-and-forth at the very end of the song, in which R. Kelly trades lines with, um, R. Kelly.

121. Also, I have to reiterate: "And after the show, it's the afterparty/And after the party it's the hotel lobby/'Round about 4 you gotta clear the lobby/And take it to your room and ___ somebody."

NA. (Nick A.), Monday, 16 June 2003 12:30 (twenty years ago) link

This song is seriously one of the worst things on the radio right now. Worse than A Simple Plan. Worse than the new Live single. Worse than the enervated, uninvolving Black Eyed Peas/JT single. It has absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever and every time it comes on the radio I always want to beat R Kelly about the head and shoulders with a bat for the intervening seconds it takes for me to lunge across the room and switch the station.

The beat is horrible. There's no meat or presence to it whatsoever. It doesn't even try to work a mellow groove; it just sits there and farts along like a senile gassy grandmother. R Kelly's singing cadence is HELLA ANNOYING in this song; it's like he's doing a Wierd Al parody of himself with every vestige of humor carefully excised with surgical precision. The song itself is dumb even by R. Kelly standards; the robo-delivery highlights this in the worst possible way.

AND FOR GOD'S SAKE IT HAS THE WORST CHORUS ON THE RADIO. Even Eminem's deeply-embarassing yelping in "Sing For The Moment" is better than this shit. Also, for such an allegedly-catchy song I'm having a really difficult time remembering how it goes.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 June 2003 12:43 (twenty years ago) link

dan perry read the instructions!

minna (minna), Monday, 16 June 2003 13:06 (twenty years ago) link

i made a thread POX: r kelly

minna (minna), Monday, 16 June 2003 13:10 (twenty years ago) link

I resisted this thread as long as I could but in the end I had to say something.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 June 2003 13:12 (twenty years ago) link

no you didn't

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 16 June 2003 13:21 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, i am fucking sick of that shit

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 June 2003 13:25 (twenty years ago) link

at least ned hasn't heard the song so we don't have to sit through another of one of his hilarious timberlake-eminem style "jokes"

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 June 2003 13:25 (twenty years ago) link

bit on the emo side today are we jess

(kidding kidding please don't yell at me)

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 16 June 2003 13:31 (twenty years ago) link

I sense bitterness.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 June 2003 13:33 (twenty years ago) link

I had to say something

no you didn't

There's no law against him intruding into 'your' thread. I like it when people ignore the petty strictures of thread makers. You can always edit out his comment when/if you revise your web page if you think it spoils the 'momentum' (oh and because his post didn't have a number, let's not forget that).

David (David), Monday, 16 June 2003 13:33 (twenty years ago) link

bit on the emo side today are we David

(not actually kidding, my response to Dan was in the spirit fun, not the fun-free dour game yer bringin' - also, this stopped being my thread at #100 if not before, and I uploaded last night)

(ps please number your contributions, thanks)

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 16 June 2003 13:37 (twenty years ago) link

I said if you update it. Some of the numbered posts above 100 are a lot better than some of the earlier ones.

David (David), Monday, 16 June 2003 13:40 (twenty years ago) link

Once I saw the thread had gone up on the website I felt much less guilt about saying something. Then I thought to myself, "Why the hell should I feel guilt about expressing my feelings on this song?"

In the spirit of the thread I'll say one positive thing:

122. The song doesn't go on for 20 minutes.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 16 June 2003 13:45 (twenty years ago) link

123) The "check it out!" - we're having fun in the verses, but here comes that chorus again!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 16 June 2003 13:46 (twenty years ago) link


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