theo parrish s/d

s: the two 'Essential Selections' 12"s with Marcellus Pittman !!!

Yes, do search them. I've been particularly enjoying "Equality of Patience" off volume two recently.

theo is the man, i have nearly everything he's ever done. my favorite underrated thing he did is this:

http://www.discogs.com/release/114976

this is really good. i'd never heard the origial 'falling up' before getting it!

thee local shoppe had a copy of 'sound sculptures vol 1' last time i was in. wonder if it'll still be there next time. that 'synthetic flemm' track is siiiick.

"Synthetic Flemm", "Soul Control", "They Say", and "The Rink" are ALL sick but in different ways. I'd recommend getting it as soon as possible. Thanks for the recommendation on that Skooby Laposky pipecock. I'm checking it out on Emusic now.

the original is nicer than the CC remix

"the original is nicer than the CC remix

-- moonship journey to baja"

assuming youre talking about falling up, i agree wholeheartedly. i was one of those people hammering on the original off the beatdown comp years before the rmxes. i liked the C2 rmx when it dropped, but it was not stellar enough to stand up to the repeated plays that it got. now i want to buy that double pack just to get the original on a full sided pressing! the technasia rmxes were embarassingly bad, too. ick.

Yeah, I wish that release was just the original and the CC remix cause I heard the Chateau Flight Remix and it just seemed kinda pointless.

Anybody know anything about this: http://www.discogs.com/release/1114923. I want it right now.

"Anybody know anything about this: http://www.discogs.com/release/1114923. I want it right now.

-- matt2"

yeah i need to get that one myself, i really liked the Duminie 12" on sound signature, some nice sounds on that joint......

Holy shit! Look at the expanded version of Sound Sculptures, Vol. 1:

http://www.ustem.org/dopejams/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=37&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=2479&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=33

Hideous link, I hope it works. I can not wait.

And it looks like it's going to contain the "Goin Downstairs" track folks were talking about upthread. Again, very excited about this.

^^^
Why I didn't include the original release in my '07 year-end poll ballots/lists (as with Newwworldaquarium's Dead Bears).

Ah, so you knew this was coming in expanded form? I heard that a cd version was coming but I didn't expect this. Someone on his myspace already did the tell-me-it-isn't-so about there being tracks on the cd that weren't released on vinyl.

the vinyl that is out is called "volume 1" and the pic on that page is of the vinyl cover (you can see the vinyl catalogue numbers). its possible the CD contains all of what could be "volume 2" on a later vinyl release, that seems to be the way he does things (like with the First Floor LP/CD). the 3 chairs album on CD has tracks on it that did not come out on wax, though none of them was as good as that in the basement jam. i NEED that shit on wax.

Yeah, I can't imagine that one not showing up on vinyl at some point. I'll bet you might be onto something with the Vol 2 bit.

More an educated hunch (as noted by pipecock, it tends to be his MO with diff't formats), matt2.

looking forward to this appearing on my year end list again...

http://www.discogs.com/release/955865

C1 Twisted Friskie Biscuits

did he retitle this track or remove it altogether?

A question: is the sound on the Ugly Edits bootlegs OK? Presumably they were just mastered from the original white labels, rather than a proper master so I'm thinking not. They're much cheaper, though!

the original ugly edits sound kinda poopy as theyre just recordings of records chopped and sampled into low bit rate samplers. boots of them sound even poopier. if you can get the OGs, get them.

So are any of the Ugly Edits currently available from places like Forced Exposure (these: http://www.forcedexposure.com/labels/sound.signature.html) "legitimate"? How can one really tell? For instance, this one (http://www.discogs.com/release/123113) is obviously one of the bootlegs, but are the ones with the spray painted catalog numbers the real thing?

"but are the ones with the spray painted catalog numbers the real thing?

-- matt2"

yes, those ones are real. the first batch of 1-5 did not have spraypainted numbers on them, i have 4 and 5 as straight up white labels and i know 1-3 came that way as well. then from 6 on, they did the spray paint for all of them, as well as the second batches of 1-5 (which is where i got my originals of #1-3). afaik, none of them have been repressed in at least 3 years now.

Thanks for the info pipecock. I've got downloads of most all of them, and just haven't made myself pay the $17+ per 12" for the vinyl yet. I wanted to make sure get the real ones when I did.

what are you guys even talking about? it's not like TP paid for those samples and I wouldn't be surprised if random people reissued it seeing how easy & lucrative it can be. I like some of those OK but the whole thing was kinda sordid from the start.

i only have 7 and 10 i think? maybe its not ten. which one has 'journey to the light'?

what are you guys even talking about? it's not like TP paid for those samples

I think the questions were just meant to be about sound quality, not sampling & bootleg ethics

i.e. if you buy a boot of a boot does it sound like shit

"what are you guys even talking about? it's not like TP paid for those samples and I wouldn't be surprised if random people reissued it seeing how easy & lucrative it can be. I like some of those OK but the whole thing was kinda sordid from the start.

-- blunt"

well, no matter what the legal aspects are, the original Ugly Edits were relatively bad sounding. the bootlegs of them (recorded from vinyl) sound even worse. and people try to pimp them off as originals, which means you are paying more for a worse product.

anyway, why does your irritation extend only to the Ugly Edits? nearly all of the early KDJ and Sound Signature records are basically illegal disco edits, they just have a color label on them. who cares? bootleg edits are part of the culture, deal with it.

illegal edits are the unsung heroes (well, maybe not anymore) of dance music. i'm no theo parrish scholar, but some of my favorite things by him are the underground cd-r dj mixes he did. the edits are like condensed versions of those.

blunt, I understand what you're saying, but that's why I said "legitimate". Cause I had heard before that the bootlegs (of these already rough sounding bootleg-ish edits) had even worse sound quality.

those mixes are the bawm. yeah I think the ugly edits are vastly overpriced. the early kdj/ss releases are generally too rearranged to be considered edits, in a typical or reverent sense IMO, they're often stripped to bare loops of a disco break.

xpost I'm not really worried about the sound of those records, as you guys can tell by now. crank that mutha up & eq the hell out of it!

my favorite ugly edits are the wonky ones a la d.byrd loop/"got a match?" dialogue etc

I've had the 2xCD version for five days now, and I'm pretty much ready to go ahead and declare it a masterpiece. He definitely made it to be listened to as an album, shortening and mixing together many of the previously released tracks and with interludes/bridges all over the album. And while I absolutely want the new tracks to be released on vinyl, I'm glad that he released all of this as essentially two mixed cds. Of the new stuff, I have to say that "Black Music (I Love You)", "Love Triumphant" (this one may easily become an all-time favorite), "Sundown Town", and "The Interplanetary Gangster Edit". Incredible release.

Um, this part:

Of the new stuff, I have to say that "Black Music (I Love You)", "Love Triumphant" (this one may easily become an all-time favorite), "Sundown Town", and "The Interplanetary Gangster Edit".

Should be:

Of the new stuff, I have to say that "Black Music (I Love You)", "Love Triumphant" (this one may easily become an all-time favorite), "Sundown Town", and "The Interplanetary Gangster Edit" really stand out.

i saw him out two weekends ago, the last hour or so of his set was just straight theo productions, new and old. he really is an exceptional dj, even if his mixing can be pretty iffy

Yes I agree. I've only seen him dj once, but spotless mixing is really not the point (neither in his dj sets nor his productions actually). He has an incredible way of making you move, though.

"a slow lurching shuffley house groove replete with out of time massively swung hi hats and a guy singing "we're going downstairs, we're going downstairs" or something for like 15 minutes."

assuming you figured this out by now?

my question is: why should i care? is this when theo jumps the shark?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/unclebutta/TheoHuxtablemessedupshirtCosbyShow.jpg

alright, alright! i jumped, ok?

"assuming you figured this out by now?

my question is: why should i care? is this when theo jumps the shark?

-- moonship journey to baja"

what are you talking about?

we're going downstairs? who cares?

I'm as dedicated to Theo as one can be and I have to agree with vahid on this one. I'm pretty certain I wish "Goin Downstairs," "Stomp Yo Feet," and maybe even "The Interplanetary Gangster Edit" were all dubs. In each of these, I feel like the vocals distract from what the track is doing and don't really add anything of interest (to me). Still really like the album, but I realized yesterday that I want those three to not have the vocal stuff going on. That is decidedly not the case with "They Say" and "Soul Control" however.

so the CD labeled "CD 1" contains the tracks labeled "CD 2" in the booklet, and vice versa

does that make mine collectible?

Nah, I think they're all like the vahid. Discogs mentions it and mine's that way too.

wow, i don't know what to say about that but that "going downstairs" track is completely bananas. i think it was Rick Wilhite who dropped it at DEMF last year, it was one of the highlights of the festival. at the time, i didn't know who it was that did it, it was only when the CD came out that i finally could ID it. it is a dancefloor monster.

Don't get me wrong, I still love the track just not the vocals.

finally got my fancy stereo unpacked and set up after moving, had the first chance to listen to the new album in an, uh, acoustically favorable setting (ie not on an ipod, car stereo or boombox) ... and fuck, it's goooood.

"love triumphant" is incredible, but i couldn't even *hear* the african percussion until now. definitely a devil-in-the-details type of track.

wow @ "cry freedom" speech in "sundown town"

Yeah, "Love Triumphant" has definitely ascended to the upper echelon of Theo tracks in short order. Still loving the album as a whole.

Just in case interested parties haven't seen this, here's another potentially controversial statement from Theo: http://www.moodmat.com/?p=977

Pipecock's blog has some discussion here:
http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/07/14/interesting-interview-with-theo-parrish/

Dissensus has some discussion here:
http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=7992