Kinda like the Tripods when I was a kid. I remember loving that when I was younger, as I remember they televised the first two books of the trilogy, left with a massive cliffhanger and never produced the final series.
― Davel (Davel), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 06:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 12:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 12:16 (nineteen years ago) link
Also, artists of this kind are also extremely aware of their own failings. More often than not, if they don't think they're writing their best, then they'll often quit rather than produce something they're not happy with. He can certainly afford to quit.
Thirdly, it's possible that he was attached principally as a draw to financiers and partners.
― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 12:17 (nineteen years ago) link
This would be a great idea - in the vein of 'The Box Of Delights'. The stage play was very good btw - skipped out the wheelies/Mary Malone, which I thought really diluted the pace of the books towards the end. And the witches rocked - esp. Ruta Skadi.
― Mog, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 12:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Davel (Davel), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 12:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link
I never read the books or saw the TV series -- but! For some bemusing reason, the official Boy Scout magazine Boys' Life serialized all three books in comic book form, one page per montly issue. Lasted something like four years!
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link
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― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link
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― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:02 (nineteen years ago) link
"George touched Anne's **** with her ****, **** and slowly **** up her ****."
― caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link
Am I the only person on this thread who actually likes Mary Malone, by the way?
― caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Davel (Davel), Thursday, 1 July 2004 06:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Davel (Davel), Thursday, 1 July 2004 06:21 (nineteen years ago) link
Who else has seen these, then?
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 5 March 2005 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 5 March 2005 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link
I suppose the movies will be disappointing if they get made, but I hope they do get made just for the controversy. What I dread is that all the anti-church God-killing stuff will somehow get excised and we'll get a movie about a girl who goes to the North Pole and saves her friend Roger with the help of some bears and a guy in a balloon. But maybe Pullman wouldn't allow that.
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 6 March 2005 07:30 (nineteen years ago) link
His Dark Materials = The Matrix Trilogy + Bears
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Sunday, 6 March 2005 10:45 (nineteen years ago) link
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also it pissed me off the way the crowd giggled self-consciously *every* *fucking* *time* the gallivespians appeared. shut up!
― emsk, Sunday, 6 March 2005 12:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― chris sallis, Sunday, 6 March 2005 13:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 6 March 2005 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 22 December 2005 05:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― jones (actual), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 22 December 2005 20:00 (eighteen years ago) link
I was disappointed that Lyra tails off from being the headstrong protagonist to a figure often in need of protection at the hands of her man in the second and third.
I'm surprised he never even tried to underline the message about 'killing God' - it wasn't that the two of them killed God, really - they set him free. 'God' himself was a prisoner of the theocrats, kept alive to ensure their tyranny - that's by far the most subtle metaphor of the trilogy, but he never even points back to it.
Where it shines is the love he shows interaction between characters - the noble gyptians (were they Roma or Irishmen?) protecting Lyra, the witch-councils, all the sections with Mary and the wheeled creatures. When Pullman moved away from his Big Themes and advancing the plot, the writing was truly exhilirating and joyous in a way that I've never encountered in fantasy.
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Sunday, 15 January 2006 07:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 15 January 2006 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link
..One would assume.
― Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Monday, 16 January 2006 14:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Monday, 16 January 2006 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 16 January 2006 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Monday, 16 January 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― emsk ( emsk), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:04 (eighteen years ago) link
(this is all going from slightly shaky memories of the book, though, so I could be wrong)
doesn't he mention some connection to the dutch too?
I don't remember this at all - but, Holland can also refer to a large part of the South Lincolnshire fenland.
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― emsk ( emsk), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link
I'm sure there was something approaching an oil refinary mentioned somewhere. I might be imagining it though.
Before drainage, the Lincolnshire Fens and the Yorkshire marshes were all connected anyway. There was a more-or-less continuous belt of fen from the Wash through to the Trent valley, and it was an important trading route, with Boston, the largest port in the country outside London, at one end.
(the Yorkshire fens - usually called Moors even though they're nothing like moorland as you imagine it - are a large, flat, bog formed where the Trent, Ouse, Aire and Don meet to form the Humber)
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 16 January 2006 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link
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