Vampire Weekend; Arctic Monkeys of 2008?

hey dudes wasn't there always a rule about googleproofing st0rmfr0nt because you don't want them to see track backs and no one wanted an invasion of those dudes?

um if there was a mod can feel free to googleproof that

lol honestly was not sure if it's an innocent mistake or an attempted thread-nuke

frankly I think their views would be v. interesting in this thread

+ maybe the top 50 of 2009 thread, where race will play an imp. factor in the arguments over who was right

no

they've done everything in their power to come off as a WASP band, so if they're annoyed that people call them a WASP band, well, maybe they should stop wearing polo shirts and singing about cape cod.

― iatee, Friday, January 29, 2010 2:45 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

He keeps patting himself on the back for using upper-class signifiers that people use to leap to conclusions about them or their music, so that's the price of the game he's playing tbh. (xpost)

― some dude, Friday, January 29, 2010 2:45 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

anyways, back to the discussion--i think the issue with this is that WASPness is barely even a living culture these days and critics are kinda ignorant about how they throw it around w/r/t this band. so when some reviewer is like "hey wow look at these white WASP kids who went to Columbia" i don't see what is wrong w/ezra gently correcting peoples dumb preconceived notions.

iatee quit while you're behind

^^^ referring to me being jewish I suppose

when I think columbia I think rich jewish kids, so yeah I guess WASP=columbia is a lazy and wrong association but that might not have anything to do with vampire weekend

wtf is the "balaclava" thing a reference to?

it's what ezra calls his penis

wtf is the "balaclava" thing a reference to?

― ben bernankles (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, January 29, 2010 2:44 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

lol @ u

its a reference to search engine "google"

haha i've been wanting to ask that the whole time but was too embarrassed cuz everyone seemed to know what it was...basically a fancy ski mask, so google sez i guess. or a city in the ukraine

balaclava horchata not even the most wtf lyric on the record:

when I was 17/I had wrists like steel

ew ezra

haha yeah that lyric...

another stellar post over at nabisco's tumblr, fyi

basically a fancy ski mask, so google sez i guess. or a city in the ukraine

Both:

The name "balaclava" comes from the town of Balaklava, near Sevastopol in Crimea, Ukraine. During the Crimean War, knitted balaclavas were sent over to the British troops to help protect them from the bitter cold weather. They are traditionally knitted from wool, and can be rolled up into a hat to cover just the crown of the head.

i posted that more for the suggestion that rappers never caught any flak for homophobic lyrics, and certainly none on the level of the huge protests at his balaclava lyric. plus getting stick for privilege and responding without irony, "what about the fucking blacks?"

hey m@tt, the city, also famous battle, charge of light brigade, tennyson all that

xpost

I think "balaclava" is British slang. Like "anorak." That's the only place I'd ever heard it used prior to VW.

also a balaclava is NAGL

thx y'all i have now officially learned something today.

also that other thing is a mexican beverage!

i feel the "we're not WASPS" is a convenient dodge for them. people throwing around that term are lazy (and technically wrong), but it is also clearly just being used as a term to stand-in in for rich & privileged, i don't think most people using it are like "wow, wonder if ezra is presbyterian or episcopalian" so pointing out "hey, dudes i'm jewish" isn't really addressing what people are finding annoying.

horchata is a delicious, delicious drink. jesus christ, i wish i had one right now. if you're ever in hermosa beach, ca, go to La Penita for a godly horchata, friends.

they are the well-educated sons of well-off professionals who got in to good schools, and there, got to see a whole other level of crazy privilege and wealth, far above themselves. there's a lot of intra-elite observation/discomfort/sniping going on in these records. what they 'are' and what they are looking at aren't exactly the same thing, class-wise

that would be interesting if it was interesting.

i mean, i'm sure there's some kind of smart thing to say about all that that hasn't been said by all the writers before them that have sort of observed the same things. but asserting that that's what they're doing doesn't mean they're doing it well.

no i guess it doesn't?

upper middle-class anxiety in the presence of old money

tips my goal in posting is not to try to get you to like a band

xp yeah and especially when the old money girls are taking a term off to bus around guatemala

Rostam is talking about nabisco's post on the twitter: http://twitter.com/matsoR

And apparently talking to the "Chicago Reader music editor"

http://twitter.com/matsoR/status/8184054742

shamelessly trying to curry favor with whiney

tips my goal in posting is not to try to get you to like a band

and i'm not tryin to get anyone to dislike them. just i think there's a fair amount of suspect stuff said in re v.w., both in terms of how much all their "class" stuff really registers (it feels to me like something heavily inflated by people looking for something to chatter about) and in terms of what they're doing musically. i accept that people like it, that's fine and all, but the critical cases made for them seem weirdly detached to me from the experience of actually listening to them. they are a frail frame on which to hang all this rhetoric. imo.

well true enough, my post above was speaking against the hopperish idea that VW is "just a band of wasps stealing music from africa so they can sing about being rich"

oh hahahaha I am listening to "A Punk" now and did not realize that THIS was THAT song

I don't mind these guys after all

Btw, I think goole is OTM about them being upper-middle-class looking at old wealth, and I think that's why Ezra being Jewish (and I guess the other guy being Persian) is important. There's a whole history of Jewish wealth contending with old WASP money, and I believe that's definitely running through what's going on here, even if it's not explicit. They're also one of the first generations of wealthy Jews (or their parents are, most likely) who don't seriously have to deal with things like restricted country clubs, quotas at Ivy's, etc.

philip roth is better than VW tho imo

http://twitter.com/matsoR/status/8184054742

shamelessly trying to curry favor with whiney

― zvookster, Friday, January 29, 2010 10:01 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

and geir!

ON a HARD COLDPLAY KICK 11:20 AM Jan 25th from web

Philip Roth definitely better than VW, but also writing about a different period of time. I can't see VW relating to American Pastoral or even Plot Against America. They're kinda the (grand)children of Philip Roth.

yeah and Philip Roth's grandchildren probably don't understand him or read his books, either

philip roth had persian friends

portnoy's complaint is definitely news that stays news

FWIW, I wrote an article running next week that explicitly calls Vampire Weekend (esp Ezra) a Jewish band, or at least a band that has something to say about being Jewish. It's more in the context of African influences in music, but I think it's important to identify Ezra as Jewish (as he self-identifies that way) because although whiteness and Jewishness have become hard to disentangle in American contemporary culture, it's still a real issue for a lot of Jewish Americans and in other countries it's an even bigger issue (especially in the countries where Vampire Weekend is drawing on to influence their music). Which is to say that JH's critique of the band isn't just - as nabisco points out - very privileged and white in-of-itself - but super America-centric. As though opinions on whiteness in America (and really: in New York City/Chicago/LA, so not even America) should constitute what it means to be white everywhere.

my gf is trying to get me to have kids and i'm seriously thinking my official stance should be "the world doesn't need any more white people"

Btw, I think nabisco's two things on the JH piece are really tremendous -- if I could say, even OTM.

my gf is trying to get me to have kids and i'm seriously thinking my official stance should be "the world doesn't need any more white people"

― ben bernankles (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, January 29, 2010 5:46 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

u should read nabiscos tumblr pieces

tumblrs white people like

this isn't really the place for it, but that first salinger piece is a lovely, lovely piece of writing