what are barack obama's flaws?

i think a lot of people on this board have demonstrated a fair amount of disappointment in the prez since the brown election for his unwillingness to make a strong stand on the senate bill. i know ive been disappointed.

Alfred, asking anything else of the president would be like asking him to shoot lasers from his eyes

btw I demand that he shoot lasers from his eyes right now

I didn't write that!

(didn't mean to c/p max's comment there, that was for a diff. post, <3 max)

Can we at least agree that the spectacle of the president bowing before the likes of Mike Pence as I type is pretty disgusting?

― Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, January 29, 2010 1:32 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

eh disgusting or not i think its a pretty savvy political move for him

this doesn't sound like "bowing" to me:

"In a remarkable exchange, Obama took Republicans to task for portraying health care reform as a “Bolshevik plot” — even though, he said, many parts of the bill were consistent with Republican principles.

“What happens is that you guys don’t have a lot of room to negotiate with me,” Obama said. "The fact of the matter is, many of you, if you voted with the administration on something, are politically vulnerable with your own base, with your own party because what you've been telling your constituents is, ‘This guy's doing all kinds of crazy stuff that's going to destroy America.' ''

Obama acknowledged that “some stray cats and dogs” had gotten into the health care bill but that his administration was working to eliminate them.

Health care was just one of the points of engagement in the highly unusual session, which may not have changed many minds on either side of the partisan divide but made for riveting political theater.

Republicans, for example, pushed the president to embrace “across the board” tax cuts and a line-item veto.

Obama pushed back, accusing them of putting party before principle and voting against his 2009 stimulus plan but then attending “ribbon cuttings” for stimulus projects in their own districts.

If Republicans believe in both across-the-board tax cuts and a balanced budget, Obama said he’d like to see their math."

oh come, that's totally obsequious, especially the part where he tells them that they've painted themselves into a corner with their constituents by making up shit about what's in the health care reform bill; what disgusting boot-licking

eh disgusting or not i think its a pretty savvy political move for him

I bet the Republicans will be won over this show of bipartisanship!

I had no idea stray cats and dogs were covered by any version

How smart is it to put yourself on the line for a guaranteed losing proposition?That depends on how it loses and why.

If, for example, you are guaranteed to lose because the Republicans and a few conservative Dems will fillibuster your bill to death, while a solid majority of Americans very much want to see it enacted, then you can win by losing. You win because you show which side you are on, and your side has the support of the people, who will appreciate your leadership and become disaffected from the obstructionists.

If you are guaranteed to lose because it is flat-out something that few people want or care about, and you spend a lot of political capital trying to ram it through (see Bush and Social Security privatization), then it is pretty dumb to go there.

Sometimes you have to demonstrate that you have clear ideas of where the country should go and why. Then the country can make up its mind if it wants to go there with you. Even when the voters disagree with you, a bit of that kind of clarity and leadership won't necessarily hurt you, so long as it reassures people that you know what you stand for and are willing to fight for it.

If Republicans believe in both across-the-board tax cuts and a balanced budget, Obama said he’d like to see their math

love this line tbh

It was so disgusting when Dubya met with House Dems in 2002 when they obstructed his 9-11 policies.

Generally speaking, people in power are objectionable. This means that the person you like (or can tolerate) is going to have to speak to a whole bunch of people you can't stand in order to get anything done. The only way to change this is to change the people in power, but in our current system it seems that only assholes run for office.

If Emmanuel was really the Machiavelli of legend, he'd run clips this November of Obama in every endangered Congressional district meeting with the House Repubs.

I think that was a pretty ballsy thing Obama did, addressing the GOP caucus like that - amazed any Dem would take him to task for it.

Addendum: Sometimes it is acceptable leadership to say, I personally think this is the right thing, but because the majority of the country clearly disagrees with me, I won't use my office to force it on them. I will only make it clear that I think the majority are wrong about this and here is why.

If Emmanuel was really the Machiavelli of legend, he'd run clips this November of Obama in every endangered Congressional district meeting with the House Repubs.

haha

Lord knows we need all those democrats to keep their seats so they can drop the HCR ball again.

If Republicans believe in both across-the-board tax cuts and a balanced budget, Obama said he’d like to see their math
more of this please barry. these are the same guys who just a few years ago insisted saddam hussein was an immediate threat and then took the war to go get him off-budget

The Democrats who are dragging HCR bother me more than the Republicans - I appreciate what some of the blue dogs are saying about their states but presumably the ppl that voted for them in '06 and '08 were checking the box next to D because...they liked the Democratic agenda?

that's why obama/dems being put on the defensive by fiscally-incoherent republicans is so puzzling. glad at least barry took a shot at the supreme court for their bullshit in the sotu

the ppl that voted for them in '06 and '08 were checking the box next to D because...they liked the Democratic agenda?

Don't forget the millions of people who are far more left-wing then the Democratic agenda but didn't want to let the republicans follow through with their march towards Armageddon.

Oh wait the news says this is a center-right nation, I guess you can forget them after all.

Oh, I wasn't. It's been weird to watch that happen because my Congressional representation (the two senators and my rep) supports public option and the rep would love single payer.

Nice! Where are you, norhwest coast?

London, but my home district is MN-5.

Don't forget the millions of people who are far more left-wing then the Democratic agenda but didn't want to let the republicans follow through with their march towards Armageddon.

Oh wait the news says this is a center-right nation, I guess you can forget them after all.

― Adam Bruneau, Friday, January 29, 2010 1:17 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark

hippie fantasy

lol deej what inspired this thread revive

deej, in a nation of 300+ million people, you can have 5 million people on the far fringe left and they'd still be less than 2% of the population. Adam's saying there are "millions of people who are far more left-wing then the Democratic agenda" is otm.

if you define "agenda" as "things we actually seriously plan on doing no joke" then pretty much every self-described liberal/leftist/non-right-winger in america is more left-wing than the democratic party establishment.

Anything to make us pay less attention to the oil spill disaster, eh?

"Barack caught cheating" http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/13226

well if don surber of the charleston daily mail says so

http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch/story?bcid=1437815083&bc_lang=en

didn't this surface/get debunked during the campaign?

Yeah, it broke in the British papers last summer and it was discovered that it might have been 'placed' by a an intern with an influential right-wing parent - guy was doing some overseas work experience and the one thing the right-wing thinks it knows about the British press is that they <3 gossip.. Also those comments under the linked story are just gross.

this rumor is a little bit delicate. Obama has been an icon of hope for Americans when he stepped on his office with promise. We didn’t know he could be potentially an icon of infidelity like Tiger Woods.

We still are yet to really know the truth and confirm the allegations but as of now, the word is spreading like wild fire in the internet.

Vera Baker is supposedly a part of Obama’s team in 2004. We are not sure if Obama’s wife knows about this affair or what not.

Stay updated on this issue and come back for the latest buzz on Obama Affair.

this is psy-ops to get guys like me back on board the obama express by reminding us what irredeemable dicks the opposition are

hubris

Are the rumors of an affair between Barack Obama and Vera Baker true? There certainly isn't any proof at this point. But Barack and Michelle Obama, a beautiful, young and powerful couple, do bring to mind John and Jackie Kennedy. Is this a repeat of the secret scandals of the first American Camelot?

Is this a repeat of the secret scandals of the first American Camelot?

Not looking forward to Halle Berry's overdosing of barbiturates

According to the New America Foundation, Obama has killed somewhere between 109 and 188 civilians with drones during his presidency.

http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/003260.html

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_vmpSO2BbYCE/SjvWsxqdsxI/AAAAAAAAHc4/SWY7gEgoEK8/s400/Barack%2520Obama%2520Communism.jpg

secret video could
destroy presidency

I do realize you Dems cluck-clucked over W's joke about his methods of killing ppl while O can get away w/ it cuz he's sooooo fucking cool; give me some credit.

No one here thinks that joke was cool. Direct your ire elsewhere Mr Sword of Righteousness!

when you posted it on the other thread i think ppl said it was not cool

no i definitely think O is soooooooooo fucking cool

i lold so hard at his joke about murdering people with the tools of his unchecked executive power

"youre sooooooooo fucking cool mr president" i said

i remember that

u r an enabler max, you should think abt that