Acts whose entire album output has always been on the decline, with no exception

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Well let's put it this way - I really love just about everything song on Whipsmart, but I only really like about 2/3 of Exile. I really like the guitar tone on Whipsmart, there's this overall sound to the instruments and production that I think it quite distinctive and special. I could expand on this, but that's really what it boils down to. Obvs a lot of her big classics are on Exile and I don't dispute that.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:15 (eighteen years ago) link

You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:17 (eighteen years ago) link

A lot of people might say Michael Jackson, if you start with Off The Wall. Not me though.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:18 (eighteen years ago) link

JAMC?

smirky, Friday, 20 May 2005 01:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Dead Kennedys
Feelies? (I confess I haven't heard all of Only Life)

Ernest P. (ernestp), Friday, 20 May 2005 01:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd say Michael Jackson. I'm kinda odd though for liking Off The Wall better than Thriller.

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 20 May 2005 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

that doesn't really make you that odd, but it's neither here nor there inasmuch as michael j released a bunch of solo albums before off the wall.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 20 May 2005 03:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, two in 1972 that were off my radar.

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 20 May 2005 03:07 (eighteen years ago) link

and one in 1973. and one in 1975.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 20 May 2005 03:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Metallica.

cdwill, Friday, 20 May 2005 03:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Xhuxk, gotta disagree with you on ABC--"How to Be a Zillionaire!" is way way better than "Beauty Stab" (I actually like it better in many ways than "The Lexicon of Love").

I also think Sandanista! is the Clash's best album, but I don't expect many people to agree with me on that one.

Douglas (Douglas), Friday, 20 May 2005 06:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Katatonia
Anathema
Paradise Lost
Celtic Frost
The Prodigy (surprised they weren't mentioned yet!)

Siegbran (eofor), Friday, 20 May 2005 06:55 (eighteen years ago) link

tricky wins

Sym Sym (sym), Friday, 20 May 2005 06:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Wu Tang Clan
Venom (pre-reunion)
Emperor

Siegbran (eofor), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think most people would feel exactly the opposite way I do, but for me Nightsongs > Heart > Set Yourself On Fire, so I say: Stars.

brittle-lemon, Friday, 20 May 2005 07:03 (eighteen years ago) link

[i]abc?[/i]

You know, [i]Beauty Stab[/i] and [i]How to Be a Zillionaire[/i] are really, really good, and to this day I play them way more than I do [i]Lexicon of Love[/i]. But that's me, I guess. And even [i]Alphabet City[/i] has one of their most sublime songs ever, "Rage and then regret."

brittle-lemon, Friday, 20 May 2005 07:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Use < and > for tags rather than [ and ]

Btw. I am kind of surprised there is no mention of Massive Attack yet. The only thing that prevents me from listing them is that I like "Protection" better than "Blue Lines", but I think most don't.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Nooo, I like Protection and Mezzanine better than Blue Lines too. There was a case to be made that they were getting better rather than worse until that terrible 100th Window thing.

Garbage's best album is their second.

hmm, it certainly has a lot of their finest moments but there's also a lot more filler on Version 2.0 compared with Garbage.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:47 (eighteen years ago) link

the girlysound demos are way better than exile on guyville.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 20 May 2005 07:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Muse, who whilst making increasingly poor albums, have become more and more popular

and

Stone Roses > Second Coming > Ian Brown solo > John Squire solo


Possibly King Crimson, though i havent heard everythin, In the Court remains my favourite.

dmun drive-in (dmun), Friday, 20 May 2005 09:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Pere Ubu?

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 09:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Nurse With Wound!

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 09:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Derek Bailey. It's all been downhill since Mantovani Goes To Hollywood (Decca, 1967, no really he's on it!), no?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 20 May 2005 09:26 (eighteen years ago) link

"The Vibrators, probably."

Definitely not, I love The Vibrators dearly but the quality of their albums has been up and down all over the place over the years - and even if they'd released an album of Knox humming tunelessly over the sound of Eddie farting in the bath, it would have been hard-pushed not to be an improvment over 1996's execrable and frankly embarassing "unpunked".

"ian dury and the blockheads?"

True up until the release of Mr. Lovepants in 1998, but definitely not thereafter.

"Pere Ubu?"

I can see an argument for this up until they split up in '82; but since they reformed in '88 their albums have been up and down like a whore's drawers in quality terms.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:17 (eighteen years ago) link

"Possibly King Crimson"

Steadily downhill for the first ten years but 1981's Discipline has to be the second best - if not the best album they've done, and over the last 10 years, even allowing for the difficulty in deciphering which releases are "official" and which aren't, and sometimes even which are "live" and which aren't, the quality control's been up and down like the teeth of a rusty saw.

[New expressions to describe a regularly repeated up-and-then-down-and-then-up-again motion urgently required. See-saws need not apply]

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:25 (eighteen years ago) link

John Lydon?

Actually, "First Edition" being the blip that Metal Box was better than. OK, allowing for that one...

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Moby Grape - a stonewall one that

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Tiny Tim

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Moby, surely.

Huey (Huey), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:57 (eighteen years ago) link

... with or without Grape

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 20 May 2005 10:59 (eighteen years ago) link

How about Cheap Trick -- at least for the first 17 years of their recording career:

Cheap Trick (1977) > In Color > Heaven Tonight > Dream Police > All Shook Up > Next Position Please > Standing On The Edge > The Doctor > Lap Of Luxury > Busted > Woke Up With A Monster

Alas, it is impossible to argue that Cheap Trick (1997) continued the decline, so the chain has to stop. I suspect that the assumptions that most people would dispute are a) that Cheap Trick (1977) is their studio peak (an opinion that I've always had), b) that The Doctor is better than Lap Of Luxury (I'm almost completely unfamiliar with the material on The Doctor, but I think that you would have to dock LOL the max for the invasion of the outside songwriters to support this opinion...), and c) that Busted is better than Woke Up With A Monster (probably unsupportable, although my only exposure to WUWAM was when one of the videos showed up on Beavis & Butthead...).

John Fredland (jfredland), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Fishbone? (Though again, I know zilch about their later stuff.)

-- xhuxk (xedd...), May 19th, 2005.

While they never matched their first album, I don't think it'd be fair to call their output from then on a "steady decline." I thought Truth and Soul, Reality of my Surroundings, and Give a Monkey a Brain all had some good moments on them.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 20 May 2005 11:59 (eighteen years ago) link

It pains me to say it, but I think the Buzzcocks could qualify here.

And the Sex Pistols.
Probably Suicide, too.

Dr Benway (dr benway), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:07 (eighteen years ago) link

"It pains me to say it, but I think the Buzzcocks could qualify here."

You've not heard their last one the, presumably? Not their best by any means, but defiitely their best since Trade Test Transmissions imho.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Tech help: Why is my computer only displaying the "n"'s that I type in on an apparently random basis?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:14 (eighteen years ago) link

No, I haven't, but now I will. Thanks for saving me from that painful realiztion.

Dr Benway (dr benway), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Though I don't quite agree, I think the case could be made for Supergrass since I know most people love the debut most.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Re: Tricky. *Blowback* is very underrated.

Not Thaat Chuck, Friday, 20 May 2005 12:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Moby, surely.

Uh, Animal Rights?? I mean Play and 18 aren't the best, but yeesh.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:47 (eighteen years ago) link

>Celtic Frost
The Prodigy<

No way on both of these. (Prodigy's best is their third, and Siegbran and I will never agree on Celtic Frost, as many threads here have demonstrated.)

I was thinking of Cheap Trick myself, but their third blows away their too-much-powerpop-without-enough-power second. The Cars might work, though. And ditto Pere Ubu, starting with the *Datapanik* EP, even. --- and yes, including their later stuff, which I've never understood the appeal of.

I'm an American, so I don't know those early Buzzcocks albums. *Singles Going Steady* will always be their debut to me (well, after *Spiral Scratch* I guess), and that kinda throws everything out of whack. (And also, I will defer to anybody who has actually kept up with the Vibrators. What do I know?)

xhuxk, Friday, 20 May 2005 13:21 (eighteen years ago) link

(Oh yeah, I think Katatona/Anathema/Paradise Lost are way off too, but then again, I like pretty music.)

I kinda wish somebody would disagree with me about Devo or the B-52s (who I'm way less sure belong here than, um, the Clash.)

xhuxk, Friday, 20 May 2005 13:24 (eighteen years ago) link

(And oh yeah oh yeah, I'd considered listing Metallica too -- they come really close, but I will always believe *Ride the Lightning* > the debut. Though I can defiinitely see why somebody would see things the other way around.)

xhuxk, Friday, 20 May 2005 13:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Prodigy's best is their third

(with exception for the entertaining singles...)

BEST SHARK JUMPER maybe.

BWAHAHAHA :'D

Gotta love some of those american 'e-lectro-nicka' fans.

bwahahaha, Friday, 20 May 2005 13:31 (eighteen years ago) link

>didn't Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five follow up *The Message* with something called *Girls Love the Way He Spins* or something like that?<

actually, *They Said It Couldn't Be Done* (c. 1985). "Girls Love the Way He Spins" was the first track, though.

xhuxk, Friday, 20 May 2005 13:32 (eighteen years ago) link

couldn't resist :)

accept my apologies already.

"The Masterplan" is a b-sides collection & therefore excempt btw.

Oasis own this thread and only politeness in regard of the thread starter is holding back the obvious conclusion imo.

bwahahaha, Friday, 20 May 2005 13:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Re: Tricky. *Blowback* is very underrated.

Not very, but it does have more decent songs than anyone was really expecting by then, like 'Excess'.

Oasis's starting point was pretty low already, though. There's a point at which distinguishing between various shades of shit becomes ridiculous.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 20 May 2005 13:42 (eighteen years ago) link

no big deal bwhahaha -- i know my big-beat amurrican rocktronica preferences are weird to techno purists (techno rockists? ravists?); no offense taken. same with the stuff above about hearing hip-hop "in context", and my preference for ugly metal bands after they jump the shark into beautiful goth melodies: i care what all those albums sound like now, not what they "stood for" when they came out. (but i like *all* of prodigy''s albums, including the first one AND the most recent one, so if somebody prefers one of the other ones I like, I don't mind at all!)

xp

xhuxk, Friday, 20 May 2005 13:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Prodigy's best is their third

*Explodes!*

OK.

How about The Undertones?

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Friday, 20 May 2005 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link

shonen knife was a good choice, by the way.

cyndi lauper? (though not if blue angel counts, i guess.)
go-gos?? (though i think xgau liked one of their later albums.)

a case could be made for blondie, too, though i doubt i'd *quite* agree with it. (their third beats their second, probably.)

xhuxk, Friday, 20 May 2005 14:14 (eighteen years ago) link

go-gos?? (though i think xgau liked one of their later albums.)

their third is at least as good as their second, maybe better.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:15 (eighteen years ago) link


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