are any of you Hildegard von Bingen fans?
― Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 23:49 (fourteen years ago) link
i dig her. i had a GREAT cd that i found at a thrift store and i was playing it in my store and someone wanted to buy it. so i sold it. but i miss it. hard to find on vinyl.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 23:53 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irxG-GCV5Es
― Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Thursday, 28 January 2010 02:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Can I join in the "Trois Petites Liturgies" group hug? I love how, in Messiaen's world, birdsong is a percussion idiom.
― Enoki Doki (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 28 January 2010 04:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Listening to a bootleg of Mieczyslaw Weinberg's recently premiered (!!!) Requiem. I've always found his vocal writing so piercing & shamelessly beautiful. Here's someone who knew how to orchestrate.
Criminally underperformed/recorded, this guy.
― Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:14 (fourteen years ago) link
>"Trois Petites Liturgies"
the fucking BEST
dropped the 6/8 third movement into an uptempo 4/4 dance set once. a few seconds of confusion, but once the chorus kicked in everyone kept dancing
― Milton Parker, Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:25 (fourteen years ago) link
Martha Argerich|Nelson Freire- "Salzburg" (Brahms, Schubert et al played live with absolute sweetness, synchronization and poise)
― Now, Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link
xp haha Milton that's amazing, you are my hero
― Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Sunday, 31 January 2010 21:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Haven't been around lately but have been continuing my traversal of the Sony Stravinsky box set. Loving the Violin Concerto and the Basle Concerto.
Also starting a four-disc set of music by André Jolivet. The second Cello Concerto is really impressive.
― vittorio de sickofitall (Daruton), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 18:20 (fourteen years ago) link
I've been listening to Jolivet's orchestral Cinq Danses Rituelles a lot lately. Awesome.
― Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:12 (fourteen years ago) link
André Jolivet : Cinq danses rituellesdirecteur d'orchestre:Jolivet, André interprète:Orchestre National de l'ORTF ; Navarra, André
― Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Tuesday, 2 February 2010 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link
if a renaissance neophyte rly likes the tomas de victoria requiem then where else should they look?
― nakhchivan, Wednesday, 3 February 2010 15:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Allegri's "Miserere", "Missa Susanne un jour" by Orlande de Lassus, "Spem in Alium" by Thomas Tallis
― Salvador Dali Parton (Turangalila), Wednesday, 3 February 2010 16:30 (fourteen years ago) link
silvestrov - requiem for larissa
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31XWmTZIVLL._SL500_AA240_.jpg
― ('_') (omar little), Monday, 8 February 2010 04:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Don't think I've seen this thread before (must read later), there is a really good concert on tonight at King's Place (near Kings's cross):
Date: Monday 8 FebruaryTime: 20:00Venue: Hall TwoPrice: £9.50
Part of Out Hear at Kings Place
Curated by ELISION
Peter Veale oboeRichard Haynes clarinet in B-flat, bass clarinetTristram Williams piccolo trumpet, trumpet, flügelhornBenjamin Marks alto and tenor trombonesDaryl Buckley electric guitarRichard Barrett live electronicsSéverine Ballon violoncello
Timothy McCormack disfix (2008)For clarinets, piccolo trumpet/flugelhorn, trombone
Klaus K Hubler Cercar (1983) For solo trombone
Liza Lim Invisibility (2009)For solo violoncello
Richard Barrett Aurora (2010)For flugelhorn and trombone
Roger Redgate Tehom (2009)For bass clarinet, violoncello and trombone
Evan Johnson Apostrophe 2 (pressing down on my sternum) (2009)for quarter-tone flugelhorn and alto tromboner-
James Dillon Crossing Over (1978)For Bb clarinet
Richard Barrett Codex X1For oboe, clarinet, trumpet, trombone, electric guitar, cello and live electronics
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 8 February 2010 12:44 (fourteen years ago) link
just got a huge stack of 70's/80's New World Records vinyl. looking forward to digging in. 20th century americana up the wazoo. gonna start with William Parker (baritone) (with piano and string quartet) doing the vocal works of Ernest Bacon, Robert Evett, Charles Tomlinson Griffes, Lee Hoiby, John Jacob Niles, and Ned Rorem.
― scott seward, Monday, 8 February 2010 15:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Wish I could go to that Elision concert! *jealous*
― Enoki Doki (Paul in Santa Cruz), Monday, 8 February 2010 16:17 (fourteen years ago) link
now playing: Frank Lewin - Innocence and Experience (a cycle of songs from poems by william blake)
soprano and chamber ensemble. don't think i've ever heard any Lewin before. or i don't remember hearing any.
(the other side of this record is music for the new family of violins. you know, those violins made by carleen hutchins.)
(oh and i like this blake thing. seems properly blakeian.)
― scott seward, Monday, 8 February 2010 20:20 (fourteen years ago) link
been constantly playing khachaturian's adgio from gayane (as heard in 2001). so damn beautiful. i could listen to this every hour for the rest of my life
― guammls (QE II), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 00:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Have kind of burned out on the Stravinsky box set for the time being, so decided to switch it up:
http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/10/f3/7f4592c008a0ae53b0cda010.L.jpg
Brilliant music that seems to spring from the symphonic tradition that goes from Beethoven to Sibelius and Nielsen. It's complex, emotional, classicist, and has an inexorable logic overriding all the musical material.
― Gesualdo Rivera (Daruton), Friday, 19 February 2010 16:29 (fourteen years ago) link
arvo part - Music for Unaccompanied Choir (amazing)
― ('_') (omar little), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link
andriessen/california ear unit - zilver
― abanana, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Brahms - Violin Concerto (Itzhak Perlman/Barenboim)Webern - Complete String Trios and Quartets (Arditti String Quartet)
― o. nate, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link
You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
I cannot emphasize this man's greatness enough
― Turangalila, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 02:58 (fourteen years ago) link
@subversive time travel (FACK) re:can i have some classical recommendations? i wanna listen to some, but i have no clue what to listen to:
classical 101, first weeks listening assignments:
http://www.amazon.com/Pachelbels-Canon-Favorites-Johann-Pachelbel/dp/B0000025TV/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1267516347&sr=1-2 http://www.amazon.com/Lute-Suites-1-Essential-Classics/dp/B000069JK1/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1267516388&sr=1-6http://www.amazon.com/Mozart-Requiem-Augér-Bartoli-Wiener/dp/B0000041ZS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1267516502&sr=1-1http://www.amazon.com/Holst-Planets-Gustav/dp/B0000041S7/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1267516550&sr=1-1http://www.amazon.com/Puccini-Pavarotti-Harwood-Karajan-Highlights/dp/B0000041TR/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1267516644&sr=1-4
@helpful "dissonant but pleasant" suggestions: thanks, searching now for several of those atm
@everyone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Boccherini i've been digging onto a collected works comp a cd or 2 at a time and it's all good; this guy's not especially innovative but his works are v easy on the ears
― messiahwannabe, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 08:05 (fourteen years ago) link
rock and roll, stick it to the record companies moment circa 1761:
"In 1761 Boccherini went to Madrid, where he was employed by Infante Luis Antonio of Spain, younger brother of King Charles III. There he flourished under royal patronage, until one day when the King expressed his disapproval at a passage in a new trio, and ordered Boccherini to change it. The composer, no doubt irritated with this intrusion into his art, doubled the passage instead, leading to his immediate dismissal"
― messiahwannabe, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 08:08 (fourteen years ago) link
How is Sibelius' 4th so impossibly beautiful?
― Turangalila, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Tonight, I am obsessed with Hans Krasá's "children's opera" 'Brundibar'. It's so lovely.
― Turangalila, Tuesday, 9 March 2010 07:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Never even heard of the guy, ty! Will investigate.
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 12 March 2010 23:12 (fourteen years ago) link
Is he 20th century Czech?
― Edward Gibbon & Ruskin' Man (Jon Lewis), Friday, 12 March 2010 23:25 (fourteen years ago) link
btw one thing I'd really like (that I have no idea whether exists) is a service/rssfeed/infocentral/whatevs that informs on premiere ie first-time recordings of "classical" works.
Of course, I want info on new works properly CD-recorded first and foremost, but also interwar archivism, (1/2/3)-viennese-school revisionism, minor scores showing up in attics, diggings-ups in Renaissance music, or whatever. It is a bit silly, but I loves the importance/triviality stuff that comes with first recordings. :-D
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 12 March 2010 23:27 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost re: Sibelius' 4th--
Because even though it is obsessively based on tritones and whole tone melodies it isn't all 'ooooh scary kids!' about it? It's like music from a world where tritones and whole tone scales are simply right and natural.
So many moments in the 4th when I just have to stop whatever I'm doing and close my eyes. And what a fucking ending.
― Edward Gibbon & Ruskin' Man (Jon Lewis), Friday, 12 March 2010 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link
anatol that would be really cool. Fanfare should add a tag to that effect in their online review archive. Maybe I'll write to them suggesting it.
Then again, sometimes it can be so hard for a writer to say for sure something hasn't been recorded before. There were a shit-ton of weird indie classical labels already in the 1950s...
― Edward Gibbon & Ruskin' Man (Jon Lewis), Friday, 12 March 2010 23:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Good point about not really knowing, but "first on CD" should be close to verifiable, possible and doable. And if someone turns up and says "hey no we actually released this on CD in 1989 you are not first ner ner", then is anyone the worse off? No.
My wishes about this was really about newly-written works; thing is (sorry to drag anyone into my own obsessions) I have deep deep worries abt the academization of the classical ("classical") tradition; new major ("major") works of eg poetry appear in academic press, to be read by academics in exactly same positions at other institutions... I wouldn't like the COUGH COUGH ivory tower model to carry the day or something. Am very conflicted, cannot deny the might of Boulez or Stockhausen or Berio or those guys, but I feel like clearing the air in my head and just sometimes... listen to music without having a 16-ton weight of Tradition or Non-Tradition (aka fucking Ideology) above my head.
Heheh, I've had a few glasses, as you will notice. Want want want info on new stuff.
― anatol_merklich, Friday, 12 March 2010 23:55 (fourteen years ago) link
New works written in the last decade which do not require 16 ton weight:
Kalevi Aho, last few symphonies on BIS label, especially the most recent disc titled 'Rituals'.
Kajia Saariaho, Graal-Theatre for violin and ensemble (multiple recordings available already)(or anything else by Saariaho!)
Per Norgard, 6th symphony on Danacord label.
These are certainly contemporary composers, with all that implies, BUT you can approach their works purely instinctively.
All of the above are from Scandinavia/the Baltic-- that wasn't on purpose--!
― Edward Gibbon & Ruskin' Man (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 13 March 2010 00:14 (fourteen years ago) link
does anyone here like milton babbitt's 'transfigured notes'
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 13 March 2010 00:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Hurrah mr Gibbon Man! Will try. Have pre-softened spot for Saariaho already; Nørgård & Aho I know by name only so far.
― anatol_merklich, Saturday, 13 March 2010 00:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Jewish origin but yes, lived/died in Prague. The opera was... "written first in 1938 and revised in the Nazi transit camp Terezín (or Theresienstadt in German), for children’s choir with ten solo vocal roles and a chamber ensemble of strings, percussion, piano, and guitar." You can hear Akt 1, scene 1here.
Re: Sibelius 4th
Yesssssssssss. It's so magical.
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Anyhow, speaking of Terezín, I'm kind of obsessed with Sylvie Bodorova's Terezin Ghetto Requiem for Baritone and String Quartet.
― Turangalila, Saturday, 13 March 2010 03:22 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5TjPMb9Ovk&feature=related
― Turangalila, Saturday, 13 March 2010 07:10 (fourteen years ago) link
does anyone here like milton babbitt's 'transfigured notes'*raises hand*
(but not as much as the solo and chamber pieces, generally)
― Facepalm. With a hammer. (Paul in Santa Cruz), Saturday, 13 March 2010 16:16 (fourteen years ago) link
it's most unlike anything else of his i know and more obviously alluring than his earlier fundie serialism stuff, some of which makes early stockhausen sound like saint saens
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 13 March 2010 16:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Maybe. The only commercial recording is so full of wrong notes, it's hard to say for sure...
― Facepalm. With a hammer. (Paul in Santa Cruz), Saturday, 13 March 2010 16:36 (fourteen years ago) link
they had to find chamber players because orchestral players found it too taxing iirc? can't imagine it will be improved upon any time soon so who knows
any other recommendations within that american serialist sort of vein?
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 13 March 2010 16:44 (fourteen years ago) link
xfigured notes history: commissioned by the Philadelphia Orchestra, but rejected by them as "unplayable." Gunther Schuller collects a group of freelance string players, schedules 12 rehearsals and two performances, all at his own expense. The recording is pieced together from the best bits of the two live performances. It is possibly the most accurate recording of any orchestral work by Babbitt, although the bar is low. Schuller's liner notes are rather touching actually:
... there was little chance that the resultant performances would be technically letter-perfect... Herewith then, GM Recordings presents the results of [this] "valiant effort", less-than-perfect though they may be. (A little honesty in liner notes is, I think, not a bad idea! Everything can't be "the greatest".) The performance of the Babbitt is, at least, very 'representative' of the work, in mood and character, and in all its polyphonic, rhythmic/metric and structrual splendor. To boot, it has the drama and excitement of a live performance -- coughs and a creaking podium and all.
I should give the piece another chance, hadn't thought about it in years. If the lyrical, subliminally Romantic side of Babbitt appeals to you most, I would also recommend his chamber pieces Groupwise and Consortini.
I've said more here and here (focusing on Carter)
― Facepalm. With a hammer. (Paul in Santa Cruz), Saturday, 13 March 2010 17:30 (fourteen years ago) link
My how I love low-register reeds!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYQYT2F_gwY
― Facepalm. With a hammer. (Paul in Santa Cruz), Sunday, 14 March 2010 00:21 (fourteen years ago) link
I'll look for "Transfigured Notes". "Soli e Duettini" for flute and guitar is an almost surprisingly lyrical Babbitt piece. I also really like "For Brass". A lot of intensity to that.
― Sundar, Sunday, 14 March 2010 02:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh, obviously, "Philomel" is my favourite!
I'm listening to "Transfigured Notes" now though (on Youtube!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATtsF8Hr9gU&feature=PlayList&p=73890135EECBD3F1&index=0&playnext=1) and it is almost shocking that this is the same composer.
― Sundar, Sunday, 14 March 2010 02:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Listened now to David Starobin's performance of "Sheer Pluck", which is kind of exhilarating to a geek like me.
― Sundar, Sunday, 14 March 2010 02:59 (fourteen years ago) link
man, i kinda overdosed the last couple of weeks on the big stash of New World Records albums that came into the store. all from the 70's and 80's. like, a zillion american composers i'd never heard. i should have taken notes. some stuff was good, but there was a lot of not very memorable stuff.
i'm going ancient this week. waaaaaay ancient.
― scott seward, Sunday, 14 March 2010 03:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Wish I could go to that Elision concert! *jealous*― Enoki Doki (Paul in Santa Cruz), Monday, February 8, 2010 Bookmark
― Enoki Doki (Paul in Santa Cruz), Monday, February 8, 2010 Bookmark
There is another one at King's Place tomorrow night - a timely revival.
This is late but I'll say here that last month's was welcome for the Lim and Hubler pieces alone. It was a mixed affair though. The Barrett was exasperating, the more I see combinations for instruments and electronics the more I feel these are incompatible. I Know there is plenty out there that does work. The Evan Johnson was the best of the ones I hadn't heard before.
This Friday there is a lunchtime recital by Ian Pace - Brahms and Lachenmann.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 March 2010 10:12 (fourteen years ago) link