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ha, is your w/kg classified info?

u b ilxin' (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 18:48 (nine years ago) link

go get 'em cutty!

it's not classified-- but the only relevant w/kg number is what you put out at threshold power. since you hardly work on that zone at this time of year it's probably nothing special. when the intensity and racing starts we shall see.

i will have a lactate threshold test in a couple of weeks and will share the results if anyone is interested.

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 19:02 (nine years ago) link

if i could race at 145, wait, hahahahaha. i probably couldnt walk at 145.

u b ilxin' (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 19:07 (nine years ago) link

when you consider how much $$$ you pay for weight savings (IN GRAMS) in equipment--losing 8 pounds is really a game changer. especially for me being a climber.

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 19:11 (nine years ago) link

ohhhhhh fuck yeah its massive. thats why i wasted 2 years of racing tryna be skinny when i coulda baggin points in crits

u b ilxin' (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 19:13 (nine years ago) link

coulda been

u b ilxin' (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 19:13 (nine years ago) link

ha yeah. so basically I'm more nutrition nazi right now than usual. hopefully no one commits me.

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 19:15 (nine years ago) link

this bagel w/ pb/honey is awez. *runs*

u b ilxin' (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 19:18 (nine years ago) link

clydesdale

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 19:18 (nine years ago) link

bagels are such a reward during the season

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 19:19 (nine years ago) link

last question (and you may have answered this on rolling nn): do you weigh your food on a gram scale, sir?

u b ilxin' (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 19:22 (nine years ago) link

i was 145 as a 13y/o in the 9th grade... :-\

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 19:28 (nine years ago) link

fo realz shasta?

no, i'm pretty good at eyeing the protein portions out. no need to weigh the vegetables.

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 19:31 (nine years ago) link

achieve your goal cutty

u b ilxin' (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 19:35 (nine years ago) link

not sure how much longer I will compete at this level. getting my cat 1 would be nice but maybe improbable. we'll see how this season goes!!

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 19:39 (nine years ago) link

I almost weigh as much cutty!

mage pit laceration (gbx), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:35 (nine years ago) link

AS

mage pit laceration (gbx), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:35 (nine years ago) link

get out the calipers.

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:37 (nine years ago) link

i am no fattey

mage pit laceration (gbx), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:38 (nine years ago) link

also have an upper body

mage pit laceration (gbx), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:39 (nine years ago) link

lol I don't!

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:40 (nine years ago) link

u skinny!

mage pit laceration (gbx), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:46 (nine years ago) link

for realzies jdchurchill.

...and before cuttlez chimes in, i was in the best shape of my life that year: rated top 20 in the country in cross county, mile, 2-mile, and steeplechase.

how i turned from a gazelle into a hippopotamus is anyone's guess. my newfound "mentor" gave me a backhanded compliment saying that I climb really well for my size.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 02:32 (nine years ago) link

lol u hippo!

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 10:44 (nine years ago) link

u need to be more cippo than hippo

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 10:44 (nine years ago) link

hippo pozzato

u b ilxin' (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:25 (nine years ago) link

I tried some training today (I don't normally work on Wednesdays), as opposed to just riding around. I'm thinking of trying one of the winter series of races at Hog Hill this weekend. I've been saying this for well over a month, but illness and snow meant it's taken me a lot longer to get some miles in. I went over to Hog Hill and spent a bit less than an hour experimenting with different ways of taking corners and climbing the hill and doing intervals. It nearly killed me - I've been coughing all afternoon. I feel certain I'll get dropped within two laps if I do race this weekend, but I'll probably do it anyway as it's good training.

Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 18:48 (nine years ago) link

Battersea park was a really good shout. Cheers, Ledge!

30k in 78 minutes including the 8k there and back on a single speed (while not great) felt okay considering it was the first time I'd properly exercised since breaking my leg last year. I reckon an hour (or less) for the same distance should be pretty easily achievable given the right bike and conditions.

what kind of present your naked body (Upt0eleven), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 11:50 (nine years ago) link

Breakin' the bylaw. Believe you may have exceeded the clearly signed 12mph speed limit in Battersea Park.

nothing good came of it (woofwoofwoof), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 12:11 (nine years ago) link

getting my first lactic acid test tonight.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:28 (nine years ago) link

will there be power involved? please post results ;)

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:45 (nine years ago) link

http://www.abvio.com/runmeter/

kinda excited about getting this, btw

werewolf bar mitzvah of the xx (gbx), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 17:57 (nine years ago) link

no power, just at rest.

you first cuttlezzzz...

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 18:08 (nine years ago) link

im getting tested next week.

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 18:16 (nine years ago) link

guys i should know this maybe, but how does a lactic acid threshold test work? esp if it's done at rest?

werewolf bar mitzvah of the xx (gbx), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 18:17 (nine years ago) link

i don't know what he is talking about re: rest

when i do it, i'm hooked up to an ergometer and the resistance is ramped up at 25w intervals. blood is taken every 5 minutes and tested for volume of lactic acid.

you can't stop pedaling and by the end you should be shaking and drooling and in the worst state of oxygen debt you've ever been in.

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 18:19 (nine years ago) link

it's really strange to experience such catastrophic muscle failure

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 18:20 (nine years ago) link

how much blood do they take?? makin u hypovolemic imo

werewolf bar mitzvah of the xx (gbx), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 18:23 (nine years ago) link

just a pinprick each time

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 18:24 (nine years ago) link

FYI: this is a true lactic acid test, not a threshold test.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 18:30 (nine years ago) link

ah, ok, that makes more sense

werewolf bar mitzvah of the xx (gbx), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 18:30 (nine years ago) link

oh, like, what is steve shasta's resting lactic acid level

werewolf bar mitzvah of the xx (gbx), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 18:30 (nine years ago) link

Yes, and once determined, I will be able to better extrapolate what my training levels (BPM) should be instead of the hodgepodge back-of-envelope analysis that I've been doing.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 18:41 (nine years ago) link

why not do an LT test instead?

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 18:49 (nine years ago) link

honestly? i'm too green. maybe (?) in a year or two will i be at the level that i could a test like that seriously.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 19:18 (nine years ago) link

well i know a guy in your area if you're interested

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 19:37 (nine years ago) link

i know, i know, i know...

let me at least get my first full year of riding in almost 2 decades under my belt and we'll see what happens.

┌∩┐(◕_◕)┌∩┐ (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 21:15 (nine years ago) link

better to train right now, while you are super-motivated and see what happens, than later, though!

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 21:46 (nine years ago) link

^^^shastanomics ftw

Mark C, Friday, 18 November 2011 11:07 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

I did the Trainnerroad 8 minute FTP test and scored 308W. (Trainerroad estimates my power about 50W higher than my trainer). Not sure what to do with this info except test again in 6 weeks.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 4 February 2012 17:44 (seven years ago) link

Great number, most accurate in relation to subsequent tests, rather than absolute. Very sensitive to tire pressure and roller tension. If you keep those consistent every ride it should be good.

dead precedents politics as usual (Hunt3r), Sunday, 5 February 2012 02:38 (seven years ago) link

Tyre pressure was probably low and the wheel circumference was definitely wrong. My W/kg is probably less good.

Anyway, relative is much more useful than absolute. February is about intervals.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 5 February 2012 03:17 (seven years ago) link

the lower the pressure, the greater the resistance, the greater the roller tension, the greater the resistance. if so, i need to put on a tubular at 160psi and like half a turn of roller tension, then i might hit 300.

dead precedents politics as usual (Hunt3r), Sunday, 5 February 2012 03:21 (seven years ago) link

LOL we are family

how do you like that tacx?

dead precedents politics as usual (Hunt3r), Sunday, 5 February 2012 17:19 (seven years ago) link

It is pretty nice, very quiet although they seem to have a few quality issues. When I first got it, the fan that cools the heatsink was installed upside down so it would over heat and beep at me. Also the clamp that holds the wheel is a nice design, poorly executed so it jams sometimes and I have to hit it about a bit to loosen it. The wireless is nice although I can't help thinking that given that the brake is generating power it would power the computer as well.

Also, updating the firmware has been a hassle. In all its a more complicated trainer than I need but it was a gift so what the hell. During updating the firmware I tried a demo of the virtual trainer software. It's not very well executed and I'm not really all that interested in competing in 3d VR bike races (also the subscription prices are stupidly high).

I should try some experiments with tyre pressure and roller tension to see if I can get trainerroad to match the trainer more closely. 50W difference seems a lot. I'd be interested to know what firmware trainload based their resistance curve on, it changes with version.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 5 February 2012 21:47 (seven years ago) link

I've been doing these drills where you find a 2km stretch of 2-3% grade, then do repeats in your tallest gear (mine's 120 gear inches), staying seated, relaxed upper body (no rocking), deep breathing, but just grinding this big gear out. It's deceptively difficult because your cardio is never taxed but your legs feel completely wasted by the end.

queequeg (peter grasswich), Thursday, 16 February 2012 07:00 (seven years ago) link

What does that help with? (I mean, obviously it helps with strength/power, but what is it specifically useful for?)

Monkee Trial (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 16 February 2012 14:03 (seven years ago) link

Muscular strength and pedal stroke efficiency.

Peter

queequeg (peter grasswich), Thursday, 16 February 2012 14:58 (seven years ago) link

eleven months pass...

is anyone else aware of the VE method for coastdown testing of real world CdA and Crr? i am, and now im _really_ fucking pathetic. *scouts acceptable hills*

that's real banjo bro (Hunt3r), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:03 (six years ago) link

i cant figure out the embed for this, but i think i'm becoming too much like rod (and also, tt people were a fave target of derision for me when i raced bikes).

http://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/blog/2011/07/tt-rider-rod-and-bikefitter-discuss-the-secret-of-speed/

that's real banjo bro (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 17:32 (six years ago) link

four years pass...

jfc i'm fat now

jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 10 March 2017 21:06 (two years ago) link


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