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Hidden is a damn good record - takes a while to get its hooks in, though.

Simon H., Tuesday, 26 January 2010 05:13 (nine years ago) link

This is one of the best new albums I've heard in ages.

fields of salmon, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 11:58 (nine years ago) link

Agreed. Very good - I'm going to have to spend a while figuring it out - one of those type albums. Quite mindblowing in places. If you think We Want War is good, check out Three Thousand off the album.

Treblekicker, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 14:10 (nine years ago) link

Can't wait to hear this, but unfortunately it isn't out til March here in the States.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 14:27 (nine years ago) link

One thing—and I feel so bad that it's the first thing I thought about when I heard this album—I just wish the horns had been given more time to rehearse. There's something about the performance that sounds like they're sightreading it. On the Talk Talk records where the horns are deliberately strained sounding you can just tell it took them six months' worth of editing to arrive at. You just wish TNPS had that kind of budget and time.

But thankfully they've basically ditched all the vestigial nu-UK-post-punk-dance stuff that you could tell on the last record they didn't quite know how to reach beyond.

For whatever insane reason this record also reminds me of Coil covering Tears for Fears songs. Ha ha I don't know if I can even explain that.

fields of salmon, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 14:45 (nine years ago) link

"Coil covering Tears For Fears" - that's brilliant.

Quick observations after my initial listen:
- I concur that it's a grower of a record, whereas the debut was utterly immediate.
- They seem to use the particular badoom-doom drum sound far too often.
- The lead singer has learned how to sing since the debut, and I'm not sure that's a good thing as I loved his wilfully amateurish vocals. Having said that, he sings far less on "Hidden".

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 16:35 (nine years ago) link

Haven't heard the other record, but there's some pretty damned amateurish vocals on "White Chords."

Simon H., Tuesday, 26 January 2010 16:53 (nine years ago) link

Love that track.

fields of salmon, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 16:55 (nine years ago) link

"Drum Courts" is killing me right now, love this album.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 03:56 (nine years ago) link

it's been a while that indie music has challenged me like this album does

saaberonixx (baaderonixx), Sunday, 21 February 2010 09:47 (nine years ago) link

Can't wait to hear this, but unfortunately it isn't out til March here in the States.

Out today. Probably gonna pick this up on the strength of what I've heard, various YouTube songs and so forth.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 23:10 (nine years ago) link

Got impatient and acquired it anyway. Will probably buy when I have the funds again though, because I absolutely love it.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 23:12 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

Wau at track I'd say: this album is actually a proper Thing!

anatol_merklich, Friday, 16 April 2010 21:38 (nine years ago) link

"at track 6 I'd say", sorry.

anatol_merklich, Friday, 16 April 2010 21:38 (nine years ago) link

three months pass...

to say that this album is utterly underwhelming after 'we want war' is an understatement

it's like 'hey we had one song that insidiously and skillfully built up the tension to an awesome climax - and a load of other songs that bashed around with loud drums for a bit and didn't develop at all!'

RIP la petite mort (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 16:34 (nine years ago) link

well, "5" is really good as well. but the rest can hang.

RIP la petite mort (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 16:36 (nine years ago) link

no one in america has ever heard this band

the food has a top snake of 1 (ulillillia), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:36 (nine years ago) link

Hi I live in America and like this band a lot.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 17:37 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, me too. And while I find the new album pales in comparison to the debut, it has grown on me. But we may see it as classic sophomore slump in the future.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 19:25 (nine years ago) link

So if I were to have to choose between seeing this band and Fucked Up, I should see Fucked Up.

NB. I like Fucked Up but have seen them before, and I was curious about TNP because lots of people around here seem to like them.

a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 19:27 (nine years ago) link

Saw them live in 2008 (American here!) and even though me and one other person were the only ones who knew the lyrics to the songs, it was still a very BIG, fun performance. George kills it on the drums and is very fun to look at.

Loverboy (Spinspin Sugah), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 19:43 (nine years ago) link

nobody has answered my criticisms of the album

'we want war' is one of the best songs of the last few months, but nothing else (apart from '5') lives up to it

RIP la petite mort (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 19:45 (nine years ago) link

nobody has answered my criticisms of the album

Nothing to answer, really, as I more or less agree with you.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 23:22 (nine years ago) link

I don't mind going to bat for these guys. Don't think that Hidden is as one dimensional as LJ has portrayed it. Sure there's repetition of certain themes and sounds, but they're being pulled into different shapes track by track and that's what makes it all hang together as an album IMO. Like those drums - yeah, they're always loud and militaristic, but sometimes they're banging out brute hip-hop-ish beats, other times they're more like some sort of ceremonial music by Purcell, like from one of his marches or something. It ends up suggesting this weird mix of current and historical tensions. Same with stuff like that sword sound that keeps popping up. Is it a Wu-Tang reference? Or is some sort of medievalist shit going on? (I love that sound btw, it's probably a bit naff throwing it in there as this signifier of menace, but I think it really works as a sound in itself. Kind of reminiscent of the way that Ben Frost used the howling wolves on his album last year in that respect?)

Odd that you picked up on the closing track, '5', because that's the one track that I couldn't imagine listening to outside of the context of the preceding tracks. Love the way it start out with those Vespertine-ish chimes, but then the woodwinds start playing what sounds like the same melody they played in 'Canticle' and then there's that choral melody that creeps in that seems to be looking back at 'Orion', but it's a lot more muted this time round. Give it a few more listens as a whole, cos things will start falling into place a bit better then.

WOOD! GOBLINS! (NickB), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 22:14 (nine years ago) link

BTW:

16 July 2010

Big News:

ĦỊĐĐỂŅ LIVE

This winter, These New Puritans present ‘Hidden Live’ – a chance to to witness the album
performed, as it was recorded, with 15-piece brass and woodwind ensemble, multiple
prepared-pianos, live Foley techniques, taiko drums and more; the orchestra will be
conducted by André de Ridder (Gorillaz, Monkey). Following on from the debut per-
formance at London’s Barbican Centre in October with the Britten Sinfonia there will follow
shows at the the Pompidou Centre, Paris, and Crossing Border Festival, Den Hague with more
to be announced in the coming weeks.

WOOD! GOBLINS! (NickB), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 22:17 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

Thanks Nick. They were exactly how I wanted them to be.

The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 8 October 2010 16:51 (nine years ago) link

Extremely good article -- got me interested in the band singlehandedly!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 October 2010 17:09 (nine years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Bump.

Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 29 October 2010 05:21 (eight years ago) link

All about Fire-Power.

Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 29 October 2010 05:46 (eight years ago) link

The music's pretty interesting, but the singing reminds me of Audio Bullys. Also could do with some metal guitars here and there.

A brownish area with points (chap), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 12:28 (eight years ago) link

I'm very, very glad at the absence of metal guitars.

Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 12:35 (eight years ago) link

^ see the last paragraph of Dorian's piece linked above

Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 12:36 (eight years ago) link

But yeah, I could see how they might work in a Young Gods or Tricky 'Black Steel' way.

Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 12:38 (eight years ago) link

There are just a couple of drops that could use a bit more oomph, and some nice crunchy guitars would do it for me.

A brownish area with points (chap), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 12:39 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Man I really slept on this record this year. Amazing stuff, it's like Mezzanine-era Massive Attack meets Nine Inch Nails meets MIA meets Benjamin Britten meets a really half-arsed singer.

Actually, the vocals are fine if you think of them as imitation 3D or Karl Hyde or someone. But yeah, kind of stunned that anyone would even try and make an album like this, let alone pull it off.

Matt DC, Thursday, 25 November 2010 11:10 (eight years ago) link

Also I would like to hear Dan Perry's opinion on this.

Matt DC, Thursday, 25 November 2010 11:12 (eight years ago) link

I have a favorable bias towards this album but get quickly bored whenever something comes up on shuffle on the ipod - I guess that might not be the best way to get into it.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 25 November 2010 11:20 (eight years ago) link

Yeah I can imagine it wouldn't sound too great popping up between Tensnake and Nicki Minaj but that's the same with most dark, album-oriented rock music.

Matt DC, Thursday, 25 November 2010 11:25 (eight years ago) link

So are they the reason The Fall left Domino?

Mark G, Thursday, 25 November 2010 11:28 (eight years ago) link

I am massively intrigued by your description and would like to subscribe to your newsletter

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 25 November 2010 20:31 (eight years ago) link

These are the last two singles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vasNDS9BXJI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suLfDbNHw7c

There's various live stuff on Youtube too, but I don't think that stuff translates as well.

Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Thursday, 25 November 2010 22:10 (eight years ago) link

I've listened to the first 4 tracks on this now and HOLY SHIT

Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 29 November 2010 19:59 (eight years ago) link

well that took long enough!

i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 04:54 (eight years ago) link

I'm really not sure what to make of this on my first listen, really surprised the NME made it album of the year.

Did anyone notice the first thirty seconds of Fire-Power sound very similar to Scritlocks Door by Scritti Politti? especially the vocals.

Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:38 (eight years ago) link

I've tried fairly hard to get into this because I like artists who try and do something different, but I can't really. Not to say it's bad, just probably not for me.

A brownish area with points (chap), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 17:52 (eight years ago) link

idg this album at *all* apart from the big single, as I've said

gospermaban sim gishel (acoleuthic), Thursday, 2 December 2010 00:46 (eight years ago) link

that's because you're crazy

Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:12 (eight years ago) link

Indeed. I don't understand how you can love We Want War and not get the rest. It's all of a piece.

The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:14 (eight years ago) link

It's mostly not that different from the big single so you're probably going on some weird Hongroesque ideological stance about song length or number of sections, right?

Matt DC, Thursday, 2 December 2010 16:14 (eight years ago) link

(is that David Tibet I hear on 'Into the Fire'?)

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 00:21 (six months ago) link

yes

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 00:23 (six months ago) link

I have never listened to these guys before, but I really like the new album. Will be checking out the older stuff.

circa1916, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 00:26 (six months ago) link

This is great, but is it very short or is that my imagination? Seemed to be over as soon as I was getting into it

frame casual (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 00:37 (six months ago) link

9 tracks and 40 minutes.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 12:34 (six months ago) link

I'm not getting Bark Psychosis from this at all, though; it sounds like TNP boiled down to an essence, for me. Possibly slightly too much; it's slipping by me without leaving an impression quite a lot, which may just be my life and how much time I can give to it right now. I feel like it's lacking some... drama? Or tension, somehow? A little of the oddness of the last two records?

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 13:11 (six months ago) link

Seemed to be over as soon as I was getting into it

the last couple of tracks do seem to whizz by. has been on pretty much constant repeat on my phone when i've been out and about. feel weirdly emotional every time that 'where the trees are on fire' comes on, like i could be stood in the shop buying a toothbrush or whatever and all of a sudden i have visions of the impending apocalypse running through my head. one of the older songs on the record, iirc they closed with it both times i saw them on the field of reeds tour

xp

kolarov spring (NickB), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 13:19 (six months ago) link

I've listened to this three times now and I really don't get the sense that it's aiming less high than Field of Reeds at all. It doesn't feel like a giant leap into new territory like the last two I suppose, but if anything it feels like a distillation of them (in fact there are are songs here that feel like FoR superimposed over Hidden).

Talk Talk and Bark Psychosis continue to feel like lazy comparison points to me, impossible to imagine either doing anything like the cavernous bass on Beyond Black Suns, or the moment when the skittering breakbeats come in on A-R-P - in fact it feels like a much more *digital* album than the last couple, to an extent that those moments give us a slightly frustrating glimpse of a direction they could have gone further in.

But it's all just so lush and melodically involving throughout, both the last albums had insane highs - and there isn't a We Want War or a V (Island Song) here - but also long periods where your attention would wander a bit. There isn't a single wasted minute here.

(Also I thought Steve Reich was a lazy comparison point last time round but there's a burst of female vocals midway through one song which is straight out of Music For 18 Musicians).

Matt DC, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 13:51 (six months ago) link

I agree that this album feels more like a distillation rather than reinvention and I am perfectly fine with that because the result is gorgeous.

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 13:55 (six months ago) link

err, bark psychosis were fiends for the cavernous bass matt, absolute fiends i tell you!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLOE7IyCGeQ

kolarov spring (NickB), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:13 (six months ago) link

also check out all the breakbeat stuff that graham sutton went on to do as boymerang

kolarov spring (NickB), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:13 (six months ago) link

Yeah tbh every time I've tried to listen to Hex I've ended up being bored shitless, I don't know what it is that refuses to click for me but I find it a massive chore and have never felt the urge to explore further.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:16 (six months ago) link

the EPs that BS did are crucial to an overall picture of them tbh - check out the final minute or so of the track i posted, thats the heaviness that they were known for at the time

kolarov spring (NickB), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:25 (six months ago) link

I think the lack of drama / tension I mentioned is the absence of a We Want War / V (Island Song). Like there isn't quite a centrepiece which the rest of the album can fulcrum around. Which it may not need in time, but both of those were 'wow' moments that carried the rest of the record through the first few listens for me.

Yeah, BP could do bass, and Graham Sutton absolutely has lineage with breakbeats. Still not really hearing BP here though. TNP are their own thing enough.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:28 (six months ago) link

Weirdly, the album I want to link this to the most in terms of mood/impression on me at the moment is the new Apparat.

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:36 (six months ago) link

huh I had no idea that was out already

Simon H., Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:44 (six months ago) link

Hitting the spot this evening. I do get the Bark Psychosis comparisons (there's a similar metallic dampness to their sound) but I find them more consciously Romantic than BP. I'm getting first Guillemots' album vibes if anything.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 19:36 (six months ago) link

idk if they're more Romantic, Codename:Dustsucker is practically wandering about the Docklands composing stanzas about urban decay and frosty gardens

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 19:45 (six months ago) link

Perhaps I just mean pastoral?

Also, Codename:Dustsucker certainly covers off the Bark Psychosis + breakbeats angle.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 20:09 (six months ago) link

Matt should listen to C:D, it might be more to his taste than Hex. Certainly is to mine

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 20:17 (six months ago) link

Also cosign on We Want War and V (Island Song) being the grand realisations of TNP, although I'd maybe add Nothing Else in its own quiet monumental way

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 20:19 (six months ago) link

huh I had no idea that was out already

Just released this past Friday AFAIK

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 20:28 (six months ago) link

Tracks two, three and four are all quite tonally similar to the opener, which makes me feel like the album is quite samey; whereas FoR moves around a lot in the opening four tracks. I also think Fragment 2 is incredibly strong - as good as V - and nothing on ITR has a riff as strong as that.

Once you get to The Trees Are On Fire things change up; that track isn’t what I was expecting, and is stronger for it.

It doesn’t meander aimlessly as much as the middle of FoR though, which loses me for long stretches either side of Organ Eternal.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 22:18 (six months ago) link

Six is beautiful, and actually does remind me of late-period Talk Talk.

The first four tracks lack orienting moments for me, so far.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 22:22 (six months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I've been really enjoying this ever since the release. Does anyone know if Jack has had some vocal lessons/training? His vocals sound much better and stronger than on previous albums.

ˈʌglɪɪst preɪ, Saturday, 13 April 2019 21:48 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

Late to party but I don't hate his singing this time around and there's less clumsy late Talk Talk worship therefore This Is Good.

pomenitul, Saturday, 18 May 2019 16:36 (five months ago) link

two months pass...

I agree that this album feels more like a distillation rather than reinvention and I am perfectly fine with that because the result is gorgeous.

― GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Wednesday, March 27, 2019 6:55 AM (four months ago) bookmarkflaglink

heard this for the first time tonight and immediately thought "wow djp needs to hear this if he hasn't already"

american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 4 August 2019 01:36 (two months ago) link

this album is fucking wonderful btw

american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 4 August 2019 01:38 (two months ago) link

i've been discussing this album with brad - definitely my favourite of their albums so far, and I'm surprised that some people were cool on it upthread. It feels like it has drawn on all their best previous ideas and presented them in the most pleasing form possible.

Tim F, Monday, 5 August 2019 00:47 (two months ago) link

"Beyond Black Suns" sounds like TNP covering Severed Heads

brigadier pudding (DJP), Monday, 5 August 2019 12:51 (two months ago) link

i think it's my favourite they've done but that's mostly due to them moving in sound a little towards things i like more and becoming a little more accessible i guess? not that field of reeds was bad or anything it's just a bit... idk if dense is the right word but it was more of an appreciate at a distance thing rather than being that moving to me while inside the rose is more direct in appeal. i can understand people who loved field of reeds being a little underwhelmed by this one though.

ufo, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 03:17 (two months ago) link

Field of Reeds is if anything a little bit too diffuse in places, in that the bits that aren't incredible just drift away a little. The new one has a lot more shape to it.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 08:32 (two months ago) link

three weeks pass...

at a certain point i could see this being my album of the year. every time i put it on it's an almost overwhelming experience of depth and beauty lol

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:17 (one month ago) link

i'm not sure what the end of "beyond black suns" reminds me of but my god

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:18 (one month ago) link

depeche mode plays slowdive's pygmalion

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:31 (one month ago) link

reminds me of Air 'New Star In The Sky' a little bit

frame casual (dog latin), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:42 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

Only just hit me the other week the similarity of Where The Trees Are On Fire's chords to the coda of the Beach Boys 'Surf's Up' (also therefore in turn I suppose 'La Ritournelle')

nashwan, Monday, 23 September 2019 16:18 (four weeks ago) link


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