New Order - Technique

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(One reason I would hesitate to call New Order one of my favorite bands is because many of their album contain moments of sheer excrement, to the point where I refuse to purchase otherwise excellent and amazing albums because of one or two horrible songs.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan, lots of my favorite bands recorded execrable moments - and thank God! It makes them more human. Perfection is dull. I made peace with Bernard's lyrics, "Rock the Shack," most of "Movement" and "State of the Nation" many years ago.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I can never and will never get behind the idea that perfection is dull. Perfection is perfect; what's wrong with liking things that are perfect?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Yet again, a New Order discussion on ILM has split into "loved 'Get Ready'" vs "hated 'Get Ready'" factions.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Does that surprise anyone at this point?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

So few bands are perfect. I suppose miniaturists like the Go-Betweens made a couple of perfect records, but at the same time they lack the audacity of bands like the Smiths, New Order, and the Beatles, to name just three; they were afraid to risk looking foolish. It's a band's choice, of course – or orientation if you're feeling sinister.

Why not accept a band's flaws as more reasons to hug them harder?

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Get Ready was great and I am right. There.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Why not accept a band's flaws as more reasons to hug them harder?

This is the point were a less-jaded me would incredulously type "You're kidding, right?"

Suffice to say that I'm not ever going to agree with you, ever.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link

'Technique' = NO's 'Cosmic Thing'. I like "Dream Attack" and "Roam"

dave q (listerine), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, but wouldn't you say that NO missed the Don Was factor by NOT getting produced by Eno?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd like to hear a Billy Sherrill "Love Vigilantes"

dave q (listerine), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Suffice to say that I'm not ever going to agree with you, ever.

That's cool, man. However, you're wrong: we both love New Order. After a few beers and a couple of listens to "Brotherhood" and "Technique," we can discuss my theory.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 22:29 (nineteen years ago) link

currently playing a Technique tour show on www.retroforwardradio.com

Detroit 89, soundboard, in it's entirety

enjoy

biznotic, Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Apart from Crystal, Get Ready is really poor and, personally, I blame 'Robbie' Gillespie. He should stick to orgainsing fancy dress parties for his sad mates and stop trying to bum some credibility off genuinely creative people. Rock The Shack was pathetic.

Listen to the Felix Da Housecat mix of Here To Stay for what Get Ready could have been.

New Order are so much more than ageing rockers and I hope the new album (which I'll buy the day it comes out) proves it.

Technique is fantastic.

wtin, Thursday, 20 January 2005 14:02 (nineteen years ago) link

"Rock The Shack" is great, largely because of that guitar riff on the chorus.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 January 2005 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

The thing that stands about New Order's sound circa 'Technique' as they sound even less like a band playing together and more of songs put together via studio production. This record is more like their remixes than the other studio albums. It isn't a bad thing mind you, it is unique in their discography, as their next studio album 'Republic' seemed more of a return to their earlier albums.

earlnash, Thursday, 20 January 2005 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Get Ready is really poor and, personally, I blame 'Robbie' Gillespie

shoot speed kill light (from exterminator) vs rock the shack:

the former is a razor-edged sprawl of scuzzy rock goodness, the latter is a dumb joke. the fact that primal scream made an ace song with barney and new order made a pish one with bobby suggests to me that NO are at fault here, not mr G.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 20 January 2005 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

First time I heard Rock The Shack I hated it. A few more plays and it became one of my faves on Get Ready. I like the sound of the guitar and what Hooky is doing on it, too. I don't see why every New Order song has to be a big glossy techno showoff. Sometimes I like it if they just turn everything else off and let the guitar, bass & drums interact. Okay, so the lyrics aren't that great, but people who constantly complain about New Order lyrics just need to find another band to like because it often just comes with the package.

That said, I feel for you, Fiendish, even if I don't agree with you. If it turns out the new one disappoints me, I still hope you like it.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Thursday, 20 January 2005 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
bump.

just because :)

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Heh. I'm with Dan on Get Ready. And Sumner's one of my favorite lyricists.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:04 (seventeen years ago) link

five months pass...

this needs remastering.

pisces, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 09:37 (sixteen years ago) link

They all do!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 10:58 (sixteen years ago) link

they sound ok to me

akm, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 15:54 (sixteen years ago) link

just turn it up, fool

sexyDancer, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 15:56 (sixteen years ago) link

That's how I noticed they needed remastering.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 16:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Also, I retract all the silly things I said upthread.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 16:06 (sixteen years ago) link

it could do with a 5.1 while we're at it.

just turn it up, fool

-- sexyDancer, Wednesday, 25 July 2007

--

That's how I noticed they needed remastering.

-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 25 July 2007

me too.

pisces, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 16:13 (sixteen years ago) link

we've entered a time warp
again, through a time warp

sexyDancer, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 16:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Lurve this bit by N. It's worth requoting in full:

The whole point of it for me is that it's a whole album. I adore the sweep of it. It's all of a piece. With grinning confidence it introduces itself in the hi-hats of the glorious 'this is where we all are' Fine Time, sets the emotional 'this is where we've come from' note with All The Way and then spins through five perfect whirls of sun-bleached pop, feet never hitting the floor. Is Vanishing Point a shining pinnacle or the comedown? Depends on whether I'm dancing, maybe. Either way, it's the brilliant heart of the album. Then Dream Attack comes along to shoot you through the heart again, an epilogue, the most beautiful of all mornings after.

It remains my favorite NO album by some distance, and the one that convinced me of their greatness. However, it's fascinating that Gill remarked on the "strong synergy between all the band members" yet earlnash notes that they "sound even less like a band playing together and more of songs put together via studio production." I say it's a bit of both, no? Anyway, Republic is the one that sounds like Bernard and Stephen Hague programming synths with the odd Hooky bassline here and there.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 16:21 (sixteen years ago) link

It's always sounded fine to me.

Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:14 (sixteen years ago) link

"Guilty Partner" is criminally great.

HI DERE, Thursday, 26 July 2007 00:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Have you come around on "All The Way"???

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 26 July 2007 00:52 (sixteen years ago) link

that was the track that instantly gripped me all those years ago.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 26 July 2007 00:52 (sixteen years ago) link

I was trying to remember if my old rant about this album was upthread and it was. Good.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 July 2007 01:05 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

this is the best. ever. 'all the way' is my coming out song.

matt p (Matt P), Saturday, 24 January 2009 09:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Listened to the reissue a few times through a week or so ago. Totally great album, possibly my fave New Order.

ilxor, Saturday, 24 January 2009 09:46 (fifteen years ago) link

yeahhh

matt p (Matt P), Saturday, 24 January 2009 09:50 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Listening to this for the first time. Love all their other albums so far. This and Republic are the last of the NO albums I've yet to hear.

musicfanatic, Sunday, 31 October 2010 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link

So glad I waited for the reissues to hear them for the first time. This shit sounds amazing! I read that the original CD pressings sounded like crap.

musicfanatic, Sunday, 31 October 2010 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link

So far so good! Currently on track five, "Guilty Pleasure". What I love about NO (and what NO veterans will think, "no shit," is that every album has a distinct sound - but to pull all these distinct-sounding records off with resounding success is rare, imo.

musicfanatic, Sunday, 31 October 2010 01:40 (thirteen years ago) link

I mean, how many bands can/have pulled this off? The Beatles, Radiohead?

musicfanatic, Sunday, 31 October 2010 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Barneywaves.

Wheal Dream, Sunday, 31 October 2010 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link

I love Technique. It's my favorite album of all time. OF ALL TIME! I can still remember unwrapping the cellophone on the cassette the day it was released. The opening of Fine Time made my heart race and I was on cloud 9 for months after just letting the tape flip over and over in the car.

brotherlovesdub, Sunday, 31 October 2010 01:45 (thirteen years ago) link

the best pop album ever made. it's as simple as that.
― piscesboy, Wednesday, 22 October 2003 13:17 (7 years ago)

I concur with me. nothing's ever even come close. i kinda feel like England fans waiting for a team that will take them to victory like in 66. i've pretty much accepted it won't happen and i'm okay with that.

piscesx, Sunday, 31 October 2010 03:23 (thirteen years ago) link

i mean this was a *number 1 album* in the UK and they advertised it with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjpCr8wh6zE

man alive...

piscesx, Sunday, 31 October 2010 03:25 (thirteen years ago) link

the original cd pressings don't sound like crap, except for love life which had pre-emphasis on it and so sounded bad if played on a player that doesn't deal with that (which would be most players now). I haven't listened to the official remasters because I still can't figure out how to tell if you have a good batch or bad batch (the first issues of the REMASTERS were apparently awful, and they have allegedly fixed those but I don't know anyone who has found the fixed ones). anyway easier to get all of this stuff (single wise) off the internet now, the fan-led remaster project was better.

akm, Sunday, 31 October 2010 14:43 (thirteen years ago) link

copyright date on the spine says Rhino 2009. most of the corrected remasters don't have the Deluxe slipcase overlay.

brotherlovesdub, Sunday, 31 October 2010 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link

did they correct the first CD in the package or was it just the second disc that had the flaws and needed correcting? i always thought the first disc sounded amazing on that first issue. the packaging was a bit rubbish though.

piscesx, Sunday, 31 October 2010 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link

They speak!

Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 00:59 (thirteen years ago) link

That wasn't an advert, that was played on Tony Wilson's "The other side of midnight" TV show, if I recall correctly.

Mark G, Tuesday, 2 November 2010 10:48 (thirteen years ago) link


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