isaac asimov - "segregationist" (and other stories about THE ROBOTS)

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heehee turing: PASS ^^^

no robot could write so carelessly, blimey

mark s, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 09:54 (twelve years ago) link

"kills a robot because it lies to her that some dude she has a crush on likes her back"

i really wanted to read a bit of this one out (it's called Liar!) as it illustrates the 'interpretation of the law' aspect of the stories brilliantly. another bit of the same story shows his poor treatment of Susan as a real character as she is in LURVE and then inexpertly applies too much slap.

Alan, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 10:26 (twelve years ago) link

yes "liar!" is totally a case of EXCELLENT REAL MEATY GROWN-UP EMOTIONAL-ETHICAL ISSUE as acted out by hopelessly daft glove-puppets

otoh asimov largely got this lamely yukky "human" side of dr sc out of the way with these two stories (liar and lennie): so that from then on, she's a much better foil for his topsyturvying, i feel -- someone whose humanism is contrarily the deeper for manifesting as ultra-chilly pro-robotism

mark s, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 10:34 (twelve years ago) link

interesting fact: asimov's favorite writer was pg wodehouse!
Shouldn't confess to this, but that's how I started reading P.G. Wodehouse, when I read about this in In Joy Still Felt. Or was it In Memory Yet Green?

James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 17 April 2008 12:36 (twelve years ago) link

You guys haven't told us what's coming next! I'm hoping for Alfred Bester or C.M. Kornbluth.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 17 April 2008 12:59 (twelve years ago) link

I think I posted elsewhere that I always wanted to hear a doo-wop recital of "The Three Laws Of Robotics."

I am under the impression that you guys have said that the Golden and Silver(berg) Ages have been forgotten and neglected and you are making an effort to rehabilitate them. Is this the (simplified) case? Based on the anecdotal evidence of a straw poll of library holdings and bookstore shelving there does seem to be a bit of a poor showing of that stuff. I saw lots of robot books with Isaac Asimov on the cover, but they were all by other people under the "Isaac Asimov's Robots Presents" rubric!

James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 17 April 2008 13:11 (twelve years ago) link

Actually, re: the p.g. wodehouse thing and the on-air discussion about his "stolid" style, I remember Asimov saying he preferred nineteenth century literature and never read any twentieth century literature at all -unless it was written as if it was the nineteenth, I guess.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 17 April 2008 13:22 (twelve years ago) link

has anyone ever read harlan ellison's screenplay for i,robot? (my possibly-minority opinion: it's AWFUL, mainly cuz HE and IA don't mesh at all, stylewise or anywisewise)

J.D., Saturday, 19 April 2008 09:37 (twelve years ago) link

I could well imagine that. Didn't read it, did read his novelization of his original treatment for The Starlost.

What was the famous story about their meeting ,something like this

At the sci-fi convention
Young Harlan: "Are you Isaac Asimov?"
Isaac Asimov: "Yes, I am"
Young Harlan: "You're nothing!"

James Redd and the Blecchs, Saturday, 19 April 2008 11:56 (twelve years ago) link

Later on he claimed what he said was "You're not such a big deal."

James Redd and the Blecchs, Saturday, 19 April 2008 12:12 (twelve years ago) link

haha wiki sez that asimov tht this collaboration would lead to: "the first really adult, complex, worthwhile science fiction movie ever made"

haha yes feat.dr susan calvin as realised by harlan ellison be still my feminist heart oh my

mark s, Thursday, 24 April 2008 12:51 (twelve years ago) link

H4rlan E. corrected my friends grammar on the picket line during the writers strike in L.A. Told him "You're a writer, my good man, don't use the world 'like' so much." Then he stepped into a waiting car and drove away.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 24 April 2008 13:20 (twelve years ago) link

Haha, see if you can find an IA poem called "The Foundation Of Science Fiction Success" from The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Friday, 25 April 2008 01:06 (twelve years ago) link

eleven years pass...

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