With or Without You. And 80s Police > 80s U2 any day of the week.
― contenderizer, Monday, 28 January 2008 18:09 (sixteen years ago) link
"Without Or Without You" still gets me. "Every Breath...." started feeling played out by 1987, as far as I'm concerned.
― Alex in NYC, Monday, 28 January 2008 18:39 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm fine with the verses of both songs but their choruses make me nauseous.
― baaderonixx, Monday, 28 January 2008 19:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Those songs have no choruses!
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 28 January 2008 19:04 (sixteen years ago) link
So, basically ILM hates the Police less than they hate U2.
― Bobbi Peru, Monday, 28 January 2008 19:46 (sixteen years ago) link
you got it!
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 28 January 2008 20:03 (sixteen years ago) link
Every move you make Every vow you break Every smile you fake Every claim you stake Ill be watching you
Every move you make Every step you take Ill be watching you
Ill be watching you Ill be watching you Ill be watching you Ill be watching you...
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― Z S, Monday, 28 January 2008 20:11 (sixteen years ago) link
The first time I heard "With or Without You" on the radio, I thought it was the new Echo & the Bunnymen.
― Bobbi Peru, Monday, 28 January 2008 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link
"Every Breath You Take" does. Although I would actually count the title part as the chorus, while the two other parts are two different bridges.
― Geir Hongro, Monday, 28 January 2008 21:54 (sixteen years ago) link
those aren't choruses, they're refrains, which (I've always understood) are different.
― Matos W.K., Monday, 28 January 2008 21:56 (sixteen years ago) link
Normally I'd go for the bleak, sinister stalker-ballad but in this case I prefer the Police.
― Noodle Vague, Monday, 28 January 2008 21:56 (sixteen years ago) link
With Or Without You
― kornrulez6969, Monday, 28 January 2008 21:59 (sixteen years ago) link
The whole "a refrain is different from a chorus" thing is a relatively recent development.
― HI DERE, Monday, 28 January 2008 22:00 (sixteen years ago) link
and THANK YOU for not making this a fucking poll, bless
You could have had this same discussion in a poll thread, I don't get it.
― wanko ergo sum, Monday, 28 January 2008 22:03 (sixteen years ago) link
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_a_chorus_and_a_refrain_in_a_song
― HI DERE, Monday, 28 January 2008 22:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Polls have mysterious discussion dumbening powers.
But what's with the "refrain not chorus" thing now? News to me. I always thought they were two ways to say the same thing. My dictionary sez a chorus IS the refrain of a song.
― contenderizer, Monday, 28 January 2008 22:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Strictly speaking, "chorus" and "refrain" are interchangeable.
In the context of discussing pop music, "chorus" and "refrain" are used as described in the link I posted.
― HI DERE, Monday, 28 January 2008 22:10 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah, that link says what I'd taken the difference to be. thanks, Dan.
― Matos W.K., Monday, 28 January 2008 22:12 (sixteen years ago) link
Okay, got it. Not sure I buy it, entirely, but I got it.
Question for those who know things: Are there examples of pre-20-century songs with modern-style choruses? Musically distinct sections that alternate with verses and contain what we might call a hook?
― contenderizer, Monday, 28 January 2008 22:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Never heard of the difference between a chorus and a refrain before, but that article gives an explaination that makes sense and obviously there is a difference so it makes sense using two different definitions.
― Geir Hongro, Monday, 28 January 2008 22:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Are there examples of pre-20-century songs with modern-style choruses? Musically distinct sections that alternate with verses and contain what we might call a hook?
Christmas carols? (particularly things like "Ding Dong Merrily On High", "Angels We Have Heard On High", "Adeste Fidelis", "The First Noel", "There Is No Rose", "The Holly and the Ivy", etc)
― HI DERE, Monday, 28 January 2008 22:22 (sixteen years ago) link
Also by extension there are a lot of madrigals that do this type of thing as well (not that any leap to mind but many match the verse/chorus structure).
― HI DERE, Monday, 28 January 2008 22:27 (sixteen years ago) link
Thanks, HD. Was starting to dig through Christmas carols myself, since they're the oldest form of pop music I'm familiar with.
― contenderizer, Monday, 28 January 2008 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link
I definitely always preferred the "I'll be watching you" fadeout to U2's Rockstar Wail at the end of "With or Without You".
― My name is Kenny, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 02:29 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm fine with the verses of both songs but their choruses make me nauseous.-- baaderonixx, Monday, 28 January 2008 19:00 (2 days ago) LinkThose songs have no choruses!-- Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 28 January 2008 19:04 (2 days ago) Link
-- baaderonixx, Monday, 28 January 2008 19:00 (2 days ago) Link
-- Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 28 January 2008 19:04 (2 days ago) Link
So to be more specific, I get nauseous at
U2: "I can't live with or withoooooout you, aaaa-ha"
Police: "Oh, cant you see You belong to me How my poor heart aches With every step you take"
― baaderonixx, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 14:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Every Breath With or Without You because U2 The Police are shit and The Police U2 were quite good.-- chap, Monday, January 28, 2008 11:19 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Link
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lol fixed ^
― stephen, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 20:12 (sixteen years ago) link
I'd rather mainline mercury than listen to either of these two songs.
― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 20:31 (sixteen years ago) link
Big bill magill aside, ‘every breath you take’ sounds pretty good about now
― think “Gypsy-Pixie” and misspelled. (We are a white family.) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 September 2021 01:53 (two years ago) link
These are both good songs frankly
― akm, Monday, 13 September 2021 02:37 (two years ago) link