RFI: What is Dadrock?

who the hell admires patti smith "as a lyricist"?

Boy, and I thought it was only the priests getting up to some illicit action these days.

How is that the case, Tom: Oh, I get it, it was that lyric 'My daddy was an alcohholic' angry or what. Who sang it? Coldplay or starsailor? And Does it fucking matter?

These people walk around as if the world is great, or if it isn't, it will be if you just sing this fucking song.

The worst thing is that this is filed as student music, and, as someone who got a degree a few months back i have to say they are correct. But its nothing to do with me!

Mother & I find it hard to believe that any of the above accused sound "like disco and punk never happened." What artists that you kids listen to today actually fit this description?

Love, Dad

It's the difference between a lack of ambition and an utterly misplaced ambition, perhaps?

Diamanda= obv. sense of disgust. See plague mass live.

Keiji Haino= have not figured him out. I'm not sure he is angry but he is an incredible singer/guitarist (has technique but it never comes off as an egotistical display, from what I've heard anyway).

Like all genre descriptions its a fluid term, but at its narrowest it applies to a specific small collection of UK post-britpop bands mainly ones that are friends of Paul Weller or likely to have supported Oasis. I'm not a big fan myself but don't find it disagreeable either. Ocean Colour Scene I have a great deal of time for, mainly because of their obsessive and clearly loving Stax refereneces. I've seen them twice and not actually enjoyed it much though. But hey, live and let live. I like Family, Traffic and the Faces so recent Weller is fine by me (though he was utterly awful the last time I saw him live).

If the stereotyping of the bands is useless, the stereotyping of fans of these bands are much worse - a shame but thats probably how it ever was.

So to answer the original question, it is a genre, but one only defined by its detractors (are there any other examples of this?).

(shuffles awkwardly)

Tom's description and explanation is OTM here. I think you can also add Dad-Soul to the menu - archetypal Dad-rocker likes 'shouty' soul ('Soul Man', bits of Otis etc) but spurns the more sensitive stuff as being 'for the birds'. Also The Who are *quality*. (What do you mean, how do I know all this?)

Alexander is also OTM, apart from Ocean Colour Scene, who while not as entirely wretched as they're *supposed* to be, are crap. I like Traffic, too.

You're joking! Mostly, it's the sound of a decent talent reduced to nowt - desparately trying to toady up to what was left of the Brit- pop crowd. 'Streets of Kenny' is particularly shameful - Head wallowing in his own self-made mire of underachievement and waste. Shocking.

Eh, no, actually, I'm not. Brilliant songs. Hugely emotional. Sad, yet optimistic. Battered but triumphant. I love it! Dadrock or otherwise!

But the good doctor has diagnosed you. Why do you not heed his words?

As it is, I'd rather listen to the Pale Fountains.

Cos he's wrong. I heart Shack 4eva!

"For some reason, "focuses heavily on songwriting" doesn't sound like a problem to me, but "display of songwriting" does. This might be from the hearing the Shack album and finding it kind of boring in a self-satisfied way."

The phrase "best display of song-writing" just means that the album's full of top tunes. Which makes me want to play it endlessly, so I do. Its not slf-satisfied, either, its moving and powerful.

Why bother? We all know Shack will win.

Wouldn't know, don't have the Strands record. All I know is I love HMS Fable

"And I've had Waterpistol for years."

Good for you, never said you didn't.

There is no such thing as "dadrock". It's called Britpop, and it was the best worst thing to happen to music for the entire 90s ever.

Now of course the best thing of all would have been if music had stopped developing forever in 1984 and the same genres that dominated the charts in 1984 would have done forever without any change. Then Britpop wouldn't have been needed either.

(And I am not talking Grandmaster Flash here)

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what kind of music do deadbeat dads listen to?

RATT

We got this guy in town who would set up amps and a PA in the park and perform his brimstone 'n' damnation songs with his middle-school aged kids as the backing band. He played a lime-green 80s Kramer, then. Looks like he's got a band with other Dads now:

http://www.prime.org/

I gotta say, Geir is in especially fine form, here.

I guess I have no idea what dadrock is. I always thought it referred to stuff like Tom Petty, Springsteen, and Bob Seger.

I would NEVER label any britpop group as dadrock.

You're right about American dads. I guess it would be Wilco.

British people don't have Dads

There is no such thing as "dadrock". It's called Britpop, and it was the best thing to happen to music for the entire 90s.

Ocean Colour Scene and Paul Weller were not britpop. They were Dadrock.

xp ZS: Yeah that's what I thought of as dadrock - along with stuff like The Eagles, Chicago, Boston, Billy Joel ...

The Smiths are for people who like/need lyrics so a certain variety of critic spazzs out over them.

Cocteaus are for people who like music so Xgau and his ilk shit on them.

I remember listening to the first single and literally moaning, Oh fuck, I'm NEVER going to hear the end of this.

Cocteaus by a flanging mile.

American Dad Rock? Survey said!

Foreigner
Lou Gramm
Eagles
KISS
Fleetwood Mac
Steve Winwood
Eric Clapton
Paul Simon
Cat Stevens
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
Bruce Springsteen
Bon Jovi
Jefferson Airplane/Jefferson Starship/Starship
Willie Nelson
Glenn Frey
Cream
Toto
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
David Bowie
Queen
Jackson Browne
The Byrds
Bread
The Who
Journey

And that's from an actual dad's Lastfm chart, no less.

American "dadrock" already has a name. It's AOR. Most of those name fit into that term, and the rest don't fit in with the rest musically at all.

Sure, I'm just posting, for the sake of accuracy, what an actual "born in the 50s and stills loves the 70s" dad listened to regularly. And if you think some of the above bands really don't fit in with what dadrock is, let me warn you that Sixpence None the Richer barely missed the cut.

I still see nothing wrong in that, although the best way to get rid of Britpop would probably be for dads and teachers to get heavily into hip-hop. Then the kids would move on and find something else (and possibly better).

(Although then I guess the hip-hop kids would just join the metal kids bunch instead)

The main difference between Dadrock/britpop has to be that the former doesn't stretch to the art school/glam end of the latter (Pulp), nor the punkier stuff like Elastica. Supergrass would borderline perhaps? The second album displays definite dadrock tendencies, it sounds like a conscious attempt to aim for some sort of rock classicism. (Good record though). Not sure about Blur though.

FUCK OFF YOU NUTTER

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the best way to get rid of Britpop would probably be for dads and teachers to get heavily into hip-hop

Did someone say "BBC3 sketch show"?

Dadrock i dont think meant bands that dads were into, it meant kids making retro music that sounded like the bands dads listened to from 20+ years ago. So the actual 60/70s bands weren't "dadrock"
Obviously with mojo and Q jumping on the bandwagon some dads did get into 90s stuff because they sounded like the bands from their youth.

JIMMY BUFFETT.

No. If Jimmy Buffet is dadrock, I hate dadrock.

Jimmy Buffet is something else. Something horrible and lame.

I know a couple of 30-something dudes who like Animal Collective. I don't feel uncool in the slightest for thinking they're turd.

― Sickamous Mouthall (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 30 April 2009 15:18 (2 days ago) Permalink

Ed III, Ned, Southall OTMFM

― sorry for british (country matters), Thursday, 30 April 2009 15:20 (2 days ago) Permalink

THANKS for that opinion!

I had missed it the previous 20 times it was posted.

and well done Robin for bringing up the rear with the hell ditto yet once more.

I feel exactly the same way about Embrace lol

I know MANY 30-something dudes who like Super Furry Animals. I don't...

go on, tell us how overrated Nirvana and Radiohead are again please. Vintage Challops 10 years+, serve without "cool".

my dad: America + Simon and Garfunkel + Norah Jones + The Dark Side of the Moon

There is no such thing as "dadrock". It's called Britpop, and it was the best thing to happen to music for the entire 90s.

― Geir Hongro, Thursday, April 30, 2009 10:13 PM (nine years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

God I miss this man.

Really, who cares!?

well, dad, for one

And Rock for another.

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dad and rock and snrub and geir.

depressing that what was dadrock only 9 years ago is firmly grandadrock now

There is no dad side of the rock; it's all dad, actually.