Talk to me about Patrick Cowley's 'Menergy'

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patrick cowley is fucking awesome. less shit to trawl through a la bobby orlando.

simon 803 (simon 803), Thursday, 10 November 2005 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I once saw a male stripper troupe called Menergy at a disco in Nottingham. My "friend" insisted on referring to them as "Mengay", which was quite funny at the time.

I did not know it was an album.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 10 November 2005 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think I ever heard this at The Manhole, but how can I remember? Certain I danced to this at The White Swallow a coupla times.

gold buck teef (mookie wilson), Thursday, 10 November 2005 15:18 (eighteen years ago) link

The White Swallow? ROFFLE!

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 10 November 2005 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Uh, it does go on for a bit, though (the 12" version, which is the best known I think, is about 9 mins when it could bear to be shorter).

brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Thursday, 10 November 2005 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Cowley's good but Bobby O has more, and better songs. Is Menergy a genre? Can someone define it? (I've heard DJs say they play Menergy and claim tracks like 'There but for the grace of god' are part of it but I'm dubious)

Affectian (Affectian), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link

"Menergy" (the non-Sylvester version) is my favorite Cowley production. The three (four?) times it build and builds and builds and then LITERALLY shoots off only to sink back into that stripped-down arpeggiated bass line and beat combo are just as exhilarating EVERY FUCKING TIME.

The song COMES ON YOU. Sleaziest shit ever.

Richj (Rich), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know if you have to pay for this:

http://patrick-cowley.elitemusic.mine.nu/

I was looking for the strippers.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

It looks like it is a dodgy Russian site.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 10 November 2005 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Objectively speaking - and although my Bobby "O" love burns brighter - Cowley is clearly the superior artist. As Richj implies, it's the episodic build-ups and breakdowns, which never sink into dull repetition; there's always something equally thrilling just around the corner. I've been playing "Megatron Man" a lot recently, as well as two of his 1983 productions for Sylvester ("Don't Stop" and "Be With You") - and they just floor me, every time.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 10 November 2005 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been working on the hi-nrg revival here in nyc for the last 2 or so years...rich can attest to that. And I've even dj'd at a club called the Eagle in Detroit, but it was sunday and only 12 people were there. One however told me I played "with an old soul" and tipped me 5 bucks.

All of Cowley's stuff sounds amazing but it isn't all great. My favorite song, and the song that has the biggest crossover potential is Try a Little, an amazing electronic club track with female vocals that always blows people away when I play it.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 10 November 2005 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link

By rule, if I see anything with the Megatone label on it, I always give it a preview. It's hit or miss, but the ratio is at least 50/50..

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Thursday, 10 November 2005 18:30 (eighteen years ago) link

That's "Get a Little", not "Try a Little".

Megatone is definately home to things I wanted to be better then they are, like early san fran hi-nrg covers of Pushin' To Hard and Lightning Strikes.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 10 November 2005 18:53 (eighteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
THIS SONG IS AMAZING

H2-H4 (H2-H4), Monday, 16 October 2006 23:17 (seventeen years ago) link

LOL

I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 01:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm still working on the hi-nrg revival over here...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 03:19 (seventeen years ago) link

dan, you are doing the lord's work.

your daughter is one (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 03:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I did get this album BTW - luvvit!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 10:50 (seventeen years ago) link

the song is fucking magnificent!!!!!!

veronica moser (veronica moser), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I picked up a copy of this the other day, it's pretty good. Get A Little is like a million times better tho.

I am still undecided about his remixes of I Feel Love. Good sections but it isn't consistent overall.

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

what do people think of the Mind Warp album?

mizzzell (mizzzell), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

D.A. Powell cites "Menergy" (and a bunch of other tunes) in his last collection, Cocktails

W i l l (common_person), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link

my copy has arrived. with TWO versions of 'megatron man'!

H2-H4 (H2-H4), Thursday, 26 October 2006 06:06 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...

I'm looking forward to new Patrick Cowley material.

http://www.electronicbeats.net/News/Music/Unreleased-Patrick-Cowley-album-to-see-the-light-of-day

Enter nothing in the dialog and click 'OK' (Display Name), Thursday, 11 June 2009 18:08 (fourteen years ago) link

my gay anthem of the month is man parrish's out of the ordinary techno mix of man to man's male stripper. ahhhhhhh, i love it. i've been playing it at least once a day. on zyx. can't find it on youtube. although youtube does have a wealth of man 2 man/the fast stuff.

scott seward, Thursday, 11 June 2009 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

All nine minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHk0vd0RGOg

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 August 2009 05:16 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

if any of you are in the bay area for this, it should be an amazing event:

http://www.deejaypeeplay.com/megatronman/index2.html

my bach penises and their contrapuntal technique (the table is the table), Monday, 28 September 2009 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link

oh goodness! that looks like a must-attend!

lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Monday, 28 September 2009 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I don't know Menergy, but pulled down Megatron Man earlier this week. Was listening to "Get a Little" about five minutes before I read Dan's comment about not all Cowley being great, but that song being amazing.

I can't speak to the rest of his catalog -- but most of that record (LP, right? There's certainly 40 minutes of material on there) is outstanding and feels very italo. I particularly love his deplyment of female vocals -- on "Get a Little" but also the wordless cooing doubling the synthesizer lead on "Sea Hunt."

Also, the retro-50's sci-fi song about teens is cute.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:10 (fourteen years ago) link

just saw today in Other Music's email update that there's a new CD of pre-Indoor Life music called Catholic. by Cowley and Jorge Socarras (Indoor Life's vocalist). review makes it sound pretty no-wavey (and good)

dmr, Friday, 16 October 2009 04:19 (fourteen years ago) link

haha there is a myspace for it. sounds good!

http://www.myspace.com/cowleysocarras

dmr, Friday, 16 October 2009 04:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah I reviewed it this week, it's really fuckin great. A lot of Devo influence.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 October 2009 04:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I reviewed it here

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 October 2009 04:22 (fourteen years ago) link

really the shorter version of 'menergy' with sylvester on vocals is the crucial one, though i have a feeling i might be in the minority on that opinion - the long version seems a bit directionless after about 6-7 minutes and the vocals are a bit dorky.

racist of the falling leaves (haitch), Friday, 16 October 2009 04:33 (fourteen years ago) link

You can stream the whole of the new album here: http://www.deejaypeeplay.com/megatronman/catholic.html

mike t-diva, Friday, 16 October 2009 18:50 (fourteen years ago) link

three months pass...

trevor jackson dropped this on saturday night - still rules.

well-hung parliament (haitch), Sunday, 24 January 2010 23:39 (fourteen years ago) link

three years pass...

www.phonicarecords.com/product/view/116895

A soundtrack of Cowley's gay porn tracks is coming out in October. Holy shit, talk about psychedelic synth wash heaven.

Sampler up on Soundcloud:

https://soundcloud.com/darkentriesrecords/sets/patrick-cowley-school-daze/

octobeard, Tuesday, 10 September 2013 18:52 (ten years ago) link

^^^^ yep just came to post that. "Nightcrawler"!

dmr, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 17:07 (ten years ago) link

gahhhh just got to the title track, "School Daze." so sick.

dmr, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 17:11 (ten years ago) link

wow, this sounds amazing. do the films exist anywhere? can't imagine what kind of porn this would fit but feel i really must know.

Waluigi Nono (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 11 September 2013 18:12 (ten years ago) link

o m g

Very gud laser controled organ. (Matt P), Wednesday, 11 September 2013 19:14 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

this compilation contains soundtrack music from two Fox Studio films, “Muscle Up” and “School Daze”

http://www.npr.org/2013/10/13/230949363/first-listen-patrick-cowley-school-daze

this shit is amazing

I hope our coach wears the pants and resigns (mizzell), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 19:54 (ten years ago) link

WANT

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 20:39 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4HPq1-miis

This is fucking great.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 21:41 (ten years ago) link

This album is really incredible. I was totally hooked by the "Nightcrawler" teaser clip a few months but was really surprised by how good the whole compilation is.

...and what kind of porno has this as the music? A lot of this stuff seems way too creepy for that, but maybe I'm just kidding myself

Non-Stop Erotic Calculus (bmus), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 18:05 (ten years ago) link

Some of the long tracks on here have this incredible depth to them that totally belie that this was a college kid soundtracking a porn movie. Mind they did try harder in the pre-VHS days to make porn with high production values.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 18:24 (ten years ago) link

I've got a birthday coming up. So.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 18:24 (ten years ago) link

From richjuz

http://gawker.com/lgbt-history-month-the-aids-masterpiece-of-a-lost-disc-1454245531

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 31 October 2013 20:11 (ten years ago) link

Awesome.

skip, Thursday, 31 October 2013 20:19 (ten years ago) link

This is sounding really excellent so far. The two songs I listened to have some of the seasick wooziness of Muscle Up and School Daze but with the energy and textural variety of Megatron Man and Menergy. "Lumberjacks in Heat" almost sounds like something that could have been released on Innovative Communication in 1985. Really eager to hear the rest.

Paul Ponzi, Friday, 18 October 2019 15:55 (four years ago) link

Anybody get their copy yet? First impressions?

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 18:47 (four years ago) link

ten months pass...

More archival material!

https://patrickcowley.bandcamp.com/album/some-funkettes

Per the PR mailout:

Some Funkettes, the latest addition to this series, is a collection of previously unreleased cover songs recorded from 1975-1977. These raw, unembellished tributes both showcase Cowley’s early musical interests and chart the development of his production techniques.
Some Funkettes opens with Cowley’s sauntering instrumental rendition of “Do It Anyway You Wanna”, the disco classic by People’s Choice. Next is a psychedelic reworking of the Temptations’ “Papa Was a Rolling Stone”, here hazily retitled “Papa Wuzza Rollinston”. Over its 7 minute runtime, the track’s metronomic, minimal groove builds to a frantic synth solo - this is pure Bay Area motorik. “Spiked Punch”, a curious riff on Herbie Hancock’s “Chameleon” follows. Cowley’s lurching, minimalist reimagining of Hancock’s opus prefigures the work he would later do on Sylvester’s masterpiece “I Need Somebody to Love Tonight”. Side B opens with a truly important historical document: Cowley’s cover of Donna Summer’s “I Feel Love”. The Moroder-produced disco anthem was a critical influence on Cowley - he would later resculpt the original song into arguably its highest form with his 15-minute-long remix. The instrumental cover version here is sparse and euphoric, brimming with classic Cowley synth signatures alongside the infectious Moroder bassline. A relatively faithful take on Bazuka’s 1975 funk classic “Dynomite” follows. The record closes with the dub version of “Spiked Punch”, which highlights developments in Cowley’s recording and synthesis techniques by way of its resonant burbles and spring reverb-laden passages.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 September 2020 16:07 (three years ago) link

Came here to post that - sounds like a good time.

mise róna (seandalai), Thursday, 10 September 2020 17:09 (three years ago) link

Great clips sandwich on Soundcloud, linked from his bandcamp---thanks so much!

dow, Thursday, 10 September 2020 20:40 (three years ago) link

damn this sounds great

rascal clobber (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 10 September 2020 20:54 (three years ago) link

https://soundcloud.com/darkentriesrecords/do-it-any-way-you-wanna

here are the clips

rascal clobber (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 10 September 2020 20:56 (three years ago) link

I will buy this even though the Cowley reissue campaign has been mostly diminishing returns for me since Muscle Up

Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 10 September 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link

yeah i'm .. not sold on that tbr

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Thursday, 10 September 2020 22:19 (three years ago) link

'menergy' on the other hand. has it been remarked upon in this thread that the uh 12" version comes 3 times in 8 minutes? the orgasm is the rising chord sequence with the boom at the end obv.

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Thursday, 10 September 2020 22:21 (three years ago) link

agreed, every one of these archival issues seems to get worse and the clips are not that interesting.

skip, Thursday, 10 September 2020 23:55 (three years ago) link

I wouldn't say worse necessarily, but I think I listened to that Mechanical Fantasy Box thing twice, which is one more time than I listened to both Afternooners and the "Candida Cosmica" 12". tbf the bar was set pretty high by School Daze imo

Paul Ponzi, Friday, 11 September 2020 00:16 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

Some Funkettes is out today. Ignore my worries and misgivings above - it's great! I already like it much better than Mechanical Fantasy Box. "Spiked Punch" is basically proto-acid and sounds like a very early version of the "Somebody To Love Tonight" remix (and in fact had me going back to Muscle Up to compare that version), but with a surprisingly proggy breakdown in the middle. Still just getting to know this one but if you're on the fence I'd say this one is worth the plunge

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 19 October 2020 18:07 (three years ago) link

Yeah this is great. Love that he got the inspiration for "Somebody To Love Tonight" by playing around with Hancock's "Chameleon"

willem, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 08:54 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

@darkentriesrecs
literally the day after the anniversary of Patrick Cowley's passing we unearth a Mega Mix he made of Donna Summer's "I Love You / Happily Ever After"

dow, Saturday, 14 November 2020 16:14 (three years ago) link

Dark Entries Records
@darkentriesrecs
Replying to
@darkentriesrecs
18 large reels
1980-82 tech-no
he was a genius
if anyone knows where tape 5 is, please tell me

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmxN865UUAAqyjr?format=jpg&name=large

dow, Saturday, 14 November 2020 16:17 (three years ago) link

As I said on What Are You Listening To?:
Patrick Cowley, Some Funkettes: Firmly packed studio rat EP, sassy and fresh from the can, man, mid-to-late 70s queries--fave so far is instrumental version of "I Feel Love," with as much or as prominent organ as synth, maybe 60s garage fave Farfisa, bringing out seedy soulful punky Latin highlights from melody---other fave is finale, "Spiked Punch Dub."

― dow, Tuesday, October 27, 2020 11:58 PM (two weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

sorry, meant to link, whole thing is here, with much else:
https://patrickcowley.bandcamp.com/

dow, Saturday, 14 November 2020 16:24 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

from my blogged 2021 round-up, in which White Trash stood tall amidst Top EPs:

Patrick Cowley remains the still-warm black leatherette motorcycle mustachio cap Arthur Russell of posthumous popologicical offerings, thee gifts that keep on giving, though Crowley's are more like poppers and flashbulbs going off in the garage. His later leavings get more and more 0 budget, if possible, but soundz still make it through v. vividly, even musically, even from the junk shop 7" single sources of his latest:

…four tracks culled from some of Cowley's earliest rehearsal tapes. In 1972 Patrick was living in the Haight-Ashbury neighborhood with Theresa McGinley and Janice Sukaitis, friends of his from New York. In 1973, Theresa and Janice formed White Trash Boom-Boom, an all-female avant-garde performance troupe. Reacting to the Angels of Light and the Cockettes, they captured the spirit of the times: camp, confrontational, and delirious. Theresa recalls, "We brewed a brand of performance that steered away from the doctrinaire and reveled in ambiguities." Patrick provided their theatrical experiments with appropriately zany musical accompaniment. Side A features two songs from the "Country and Western" skit, "Bride" and "Beer and a Pizza", which were written by Janice and Karen Dunaway and produced by Cowley. The feminist skit tackled the issue of women's limited life choices in society. The B-side contains "Baciami" and "Spengo la Luce", two songs from "Goes to Little Italy", a skit addressing Catholic expectations of female chastity, performed in 1974 on top of the bar at the Stud. These songs were lifted from an Italian folk 7" found at a thrift store, and feature "improvised" Italian. The material on Boom-Boom shows Cowley flexing his synthesizer muscles to create curiously camp genre pieces. This is an essential document of a bygone era.https://patrickcowley.bandcamp.com/

dow, Monday, 28 March 2022 01:32 (two years ago) link

six months pass...

More from the archive

https://patrickcowley.bandcamp.com/album/malebox

Recorded from 1979-1981, these six tracks illuminate what was one of Patrick’s most creatively exciting periods. “If You Feel It” and “Love Me Hot” were both early Paul Parker demos; the former is a peak hour hi-NRG bomb,while the latter dips into Cowley’s zoned-out space disco sound. Jeanie Tracy’s soulful vocals feature on the demo version of “Low Down Dirty Rhythm”, which was later re-recorded by Sarah Dash. The slower, less-varnished rendition here hits with a wild psychedelic edge. Meanwhile, Patrick’s gifts for careful orchestration and infectious melodies shine on “Floating” and “Love and Passion”, which were likely demo tracks for Loverde.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 October 2022 15:14 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Dark Entries is opening a record store in San Francisco

https://thevinylfactory.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Screenshot-2022-11-28-at-11.57.29.png

The store kicks off with a launch party on December 10.

Dark Entries Records is set to open a brick-and-mortar store in San Francisco on December 10.

Located at 910 Larkin Street, San Francisco, the store will host a special launch event on opening day with DJ sets by Carlos Souffront, Topazu and Jeremy Castillo from 6-9pm.

Founded in 2009 by Josh Cheon, Dark Entries’ aim is to release out-of-print and unreleased underground music and contemporary bands. Since then, the label has put out 100 releases from Severed Heads, Crash Course In Science, Patrick Cowley and more.

https://thevinylfactory.com/news/dark-entries-record-store/

dow, Thursday, 8 December 2022 18:26 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Menergy: San Francisco's Gay Disco Sound by Louis Niebur

For most of the US, disco died in 1979. Triggered by the infamous "Disco Demolition" night at Comiskey Park in Chicago on July 12, 1979, a backlash made the word "disco" an overnight punchline. Major labels dropped disco artists and producers, and those mainstream musicians who had jumped on the bandwagon just as quickly threw themselves off. Gay men, however, continued to dance, and in the gay enclave of the Castro District in San Francisco, enterprising gay DJs, record producers, and musicians started their own small dance music record labels to make up for the lack of new, danceable music. Almost immediately this music reached far beyond the Bay, with Megatone Records, Moby Dick Records, and other labels achieving worldwide success, creating the world's first gay-owned, gay-produced music for a dancing audience. This music reflected a new way of life, a world apart and a culture of sexual liberation for gay men especially.

With Menergy, author Louis Niebur offers a project of reconstruction in order to restore these lost figures to their rightful place in the legacy of 20th-century popular music. Menergy is the product of years of research, with dozens of personal interviews, archival research drawing upon hundreds of contemporary journals, photographs, bar rags, diaries, nightclub ephemera, and, most importantly, the recordings of the San Francisco artists themselves. With its combination of popular music theory, cultural analysis, queer theory and gender studies, and traditional musical analysis, the book will appeal to readers in queer history, popular music history, and electronic dance music.

I'm about halfway through this book. Highly recommended if you are familiar with the source material.

skip, Saturday, 9 December 2023 02:50 (four months ago) link

I really think that “Disco Demolition” night had nothing to do with the decline of disco. It was a baseball promotion where you could go to a double header for free if you brought a record (and it didn’t have to be a disco record. No one was checking at the gate) That’s it. It wasn’t the catalyst for a zeitgeist change.

Bad Girls by Donna Summer was the number one Single on Disco Demolition night and remained so afterwards. Until it was replaced by Chic’s Good Times. Off The Wall came out the next month and had 2 number one “disco” singles. It’s such a lazy Forrest Gump style reference for a writer to make.

bbq, Sunday, 10 December 2023 05:41 (four months ago) link

But that rant aside, I have always liked that Patrick Crowley made soundtracks for porn. Some of his stuff is on this mix of late 70’s/early 80s gay porn soundtracks

https://m.soundcloud.com/carparkrecords/montag-porn-archives-lo-fi

bbq, Sunday, 10 December 2023 05:53 (four months ago) link

Ehh, it was a tipping point and a cultural touchstone. I don’t think the writer—or anyone—is saying it “caused” disco to die. But it was almost certainly big enough news that it made it okay to hate on it.

I would also venture a guess that there were a bunch of DJs—from bigots to rockists—who felt vindicated and empowered that this trend was getting its just desserts and thrilled they didn’t have to play it anymore.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 18 December 2023 13:36 (three months ago) link

i think at this point it's become said so much that it's become true in that sense where we access and construct history through everything that's happened between then and now. but also i think that it's useful and compelling shorthand for a fracturing point that broke along patriarchal lines to pretty strong degree, patriarchy that's always been in the music industry and always will be but has been on an interesting journey.

ꙮ (map), Monday, 18 December 2023 13:59 (three months ago) link

white supremacist lines too it should be said.

ꙮ (map), Monday, 18 December 2023 14:01 (three months ago) link

i think because it came from a sort of grassroots space, too what degree "actually" and "for real" i'm not exactly sure, but certainly as part of the story, it had some extra oomph.

ꙮ (map), Monday, 18 December 2023 14:03 (three months ago) link

also i think the rise of hip-hop plays into it. that's probably also been said a bunch.

i'm generally pro "electronic disco history being reclaimed and valorized by queers today" and absolutely love the music all-around but also feel like it can tip a little bit over into the monoculture of the mustachioed men of the time but transplanted into today. a minor gripe as i mime the poppers fueled buttsex crescendo in the soulwax remix of "you make me feel (mighty real)" for the hundredth time.

ꙮ (map), Monday, 18 December 2023 14:18 (three months ago) link

thanking u for my new screename

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 December 2023 14:23 (three months ago) link

happy to help

ꙮ (map), Monday, 18 December 2023 14:31 (three months ago) link

Several vanguard NYC dance DJs interviewed by Tim Lawrence for Love Saves The Day: A History Of American Dance Music Culture 1970-1979 express lingering disgust for what the word disco came to stand for, as record labels big and small flooded the market with inferior product, and clubs new and old got shittier---one guy even says he agrees (20-odd years later) that disco sucks.
Nicky Siano didn't want Soul Jazz Records to put "Disco" in the title of his pre-fad comp, which is still worth checking out---I described it briefly in the Voice:


Siano the Times
Mercury rising as disco evolves out of prior knowledge x convictions
by Don Allred
January 11th, 2005 2:14 PM Issue 02

Blissed-out, but not always totally
photo: Courtesy of Nicky Siano
Nicky Siano's Legendary the Gallery: New York's Original Disco 1973-1977
Soul Jazz import

In the early '70s, a teenage DJ named Nicky Siano traveled the space-wise
dancefloor of David Mancuso's Loft---officially DM's lowercase residence, via invitation-only rent parties
---before launching his own Gallery.
Despite acid, balloons, and the food bar, the Gallery wasn't always
totally blissed-out. As described in his and Tim Lawrence's CD notes,
Siano's Mancuso-influenced (though more commercial) sound design for living was also logically
based on and changing with the rooms and scenes he mixed in,
as the feast moved around NYC, not always voluntarily.

(Galleryite Larry Levan later levitated Paradise Garage; he and Siano
also worked with disco mystic Arthur Russell.)

The Gallery first materialized in the summer of '73.
Post-Woodstock couch-potato arena rock ruled. There and elsewhere,
DIY DJs and dancers (especially blacks, Latinos, gays) were among those,
at times closely observed,
who chose to carve their own solar systems from the vinyl beast.
Spinning out of this disc, the Gallery is mercury still rising, through
crosstown funk, soul, roots rock, and one gospel song, personalized:
Gloria Spencer proclaims,
"I got it! I don't understand it! I got it!" A jet blasts (like, "Amen!") out
of Exuma's "Obeah Man." The Temptations lay down the "Law of the Land":
"You might not like who you are, but you better start. 'Cause you sure can't be
nobody else." Yet the music rumbles and clatters like a roulette wheel.
Meanwhile, turns out that Bonnie Bramlett's "Crazy 'Bout My
Baby" is crazy like a tambourine and a fox, shaking in wait for that slowhand
dobro.

Loleatta Holloway, Bobby Womack, Bill Withers, the Isleys,
and Undisputed Truth also make the most of prior knowledge and surprise.
Without waiting for the remix: These are original (full-length) LP tracks and
seven-inch singles, with built-in dynamics. Breaks burst out of
(and roll through)
good grooves, good songs. Often.
See http://www.nickysiano.com/ and http://www.timlawrence.info/.

also (listening companion to TL's book): https://reappearingrecords.bandcamp.com/album/love-saves-the-day-a-history-of-american-dance-music-culture-1970-1979-part-1 (pts 1 & 2 have sep bandcamp pages; 2-CD incl. both pts.)

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dow, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 03:00 (three months ago) link

Siano did mix, and chose some records later that did sound like what we typically think of as "disco"---hell, he even worked Studio 54 for a while, when the owners were running it from jail cells for the US Gov, I think---but this is where he came from, and wanted it known, Revolta and the Bee Gees aside.

dow, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 03:10 (three months ago) link

i'm generally pro "electronic disco history being reclaimed and valorized by queers today" and absolutely love the music all-around but also feel like it can tip a little bit over into the monoculture of the mustachioed men of the time but transplanted into today. a minor gripe as i mime the poppers fueled buttsex crescendo in the soulwax remix of "you make me feel (mighty real)" for the hundredth time.

― ꙮ (map)

idk. i had some resentment for the guys with their BDE cavorting on the dancefloor in jockstraps four years ago, i admit. i felt like "menergy" didn't leave a lot of room for... like, there's femmes and there's women. all the backlash against the stereotype that "gay = femme" left me feeling a little bit out of place as someone who's a woman (but not particularly femme) who was, at the time, far more interested in femmes.

fuck it. i'm past carrying grudges. we're all in this together, is how i feel. also, while i still prefer femmes, goddamn some mascs are fucking hot. the dancefloor isn't the same without 'em.

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 04:45 (three months ago) link

fuck it. i'm past carrying grudges. we're all in this together, is how i feel.

yep. absolutely. i feel this way more and more. still have some remnants of grudge but it sure does feel great to shed them. meanwhile i'm in a relationship with a younger man who is generally very open-minded on these topics and has already been exposed to a wide variety of opinions, as is the case with young people today it seems. but the other day expressed some reservations about kids being exposed to kink in the context of pride. which, i wasn't prepared to respond in a constructive way, so i just let it slide. i do hope i can radicalize him a little bit. but without a particular agenda other than love. he's close to his family, who are decent but conservative. it's tricky. i feel like i'm always stretching myself when it comes to trying to find more gentleness and patience these days. but sometimes it's like, here i am, orphaned from my owm family of origin and on my own out here at sea making what feels like a wild and desperate voyage, just trying to survive and land occasionally on a beautiful island that always turns out to be hostile in some critical way, and the people i find along the way are always separated from all of that to a degree. part of that is living in a conservative, patriarchal place and wanting to connect anyway. part of it is being attracted to masc. i often feel like i'm in a riddle that deepens with each passing year. at this point i don't think there's a solution, and i'm not sure if i need or want one.

ꙮ (map), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 20:54 (three months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzjIKdMvPkY

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 21:19 (three months ago) link

xp but anyway, 'menergy'. i always feel like it does that impossible thing so well, trying to outline and appreciate masc. i think about the phrase "laughing it up" a lot. there's a bit of menace to it. the real, honest laughing i do is silly, goofy, flip, sometimes acidic, doesn't have that gendered edge. i want to try to imagine what masc gendered laughing looks like and the faint trace of it i can conjure is unlikely, laughable, a tom of finland cartoon. does it even exist? i spent yesterday evening with two men who are very close to me. one sketched my portrait while we were listening to a scratchy record of 'court and spark' by joni mitchell. the me he drew was stately and masculine but gentle and lonely somehow. we shared a dinner of rigatoni and meatballs made by my partner of 5 years. the mode of conversation we had reflected that of brothers, fathers and sons, but also mothers and sisters. i think it's true that masc can't be real without all of non-masc. it feels really good for gender to be real, for the gender you want in your life to color and flesh out your relationships, to not be frightened of gender and all of its ingredients and complications.

ꙮ (map), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 21:30 (three months ago) link

really great posts map

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 20 December 2023 19:46 (three months ago) link

<3

ꙮ (map), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 20:08 (three months ago) link


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