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I was very disappointed when I heard the first two Silver Apples albums. The vocals are appalling and the first album in particular contains extremely bad lyrics. The electronics sound very monotonous. Whenever the band attempt to broaden their limited sound (e.g. adding a banjo), the results seem contrived. Some of the tracks on the second album aren't too bad though (one or two of the songs pre-empt Suicide). Despite all their bad points, the Silver Apples did manage to create two outstanding tracks, "Oscillations" and "A Pox On You".

If you want to hear a great electronic rock band from the Sixties , then listen to the United States of America.

Mark Dixon, Saturday, 19 January 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

...or the Monks

dave q, Saturday, 19 January 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

If you can listen to "You and I" off of "Contact" and still not be amazed, then I guess you're made of stronger stuff than I. I admit this stuff is wildly inconsistent and occasionally monotonous in a bad way, but I think the otherworldly melodies, wacky sound burps and proto-Jaki Liezbeit drumming make it a major keeper.


Jay, Saturday, 19 January 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The Rocket Girl and Enraptured singles do not, as far as I know, use the Simeon Machine (all those Oscillators and whatnot) but use keyboards instead. That would be the main difference.

electric sound of jim, Sunday, 20 January 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

what's the spectrum/silver apples thing like? i saw spectrum do a pox on you live...

david, Monday, 21 January 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

the 60s album are ok, but monotonous. they're not all that, to be honest. oddly, the comeback single, Fractal Flow (with a re-recording of Lovefingers on the flip) which came out on enraptured circa 97 is much much better. really good. i saw them live in liverpool around this time w/ electric sound of joy, and they weren't bad.

gareth, Monday, 21 January 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
only on ilx would someone be reading about silver apples and also be looking at an animated steps routine
they have the self titled album in tower for seven euros or something,so i might pick it up tomorrow...

robin (robin), Monday, 24 March 2003 00:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Mark wrote: Does anyone who's heard the split w/ Windy & Carl want to comment on how the Silver Apples track compares to some of their other releases? That one is all I know (and I don't really like it.)

The track in question is "I Have Known Love" - the version on the split single is a new version, and FAR INFERIOR to the original, on Contact. Just to refresh my memory, I'm listening to it now, and I'll go so far as to say that the new version is shitty. The drum beat is generic, the synths are uninteresting, and BLEH. The original, on the other hand, is something special. You must get the Silver Apples/Contact 2-on-1 CD. The lyrics are often kind of cheesy, but those rhythms and oscillators will just blow your mind.

Indie geek trivia - Folk Implosion sampled at least two of their songs on the Kids soundtrack: "Lovefingers" (for "Simean Groove") and "Program" (for "Nothing Gonna Stop"). Also, the lyrics to "Nothing Gonna Stop" are mostly made up of Silver Apples song titles.

Ernest P. (ernestp), Monday, 24 March 2003 03:00 (sixteen years ago) link

I would rate Silver Apples like Amon Duul I or The Godz, it is pretty much inspired weirdness and an interesting listen, but none of this kind of thing really inspires me to give them another listen.

earlnash, Monday, 24 March 2003 04:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Indie geek trivia - Folk Implosion sampled at least two of their songs

i remember being at record outlet in ventura, ca and hearing the folk implosion stuff and being freaked out - i had been listening to the silver apples for like 9 months straight and i recognized the lifts and lyrical references immediately. i almost liked that barlowe guy for a second there.

your null fame (yournullfame), Monday, 24 March 2003 07:54 (sixteen years ago) link

.......and then you listened to his other music

JasonD (JasonD), Monday, 24 March 2003 08:02 (sixteen years ago) link

ugh, worst concert experience ever. unintentionally saw him. the earplugs made it worse. i could actually hear what crappy lyrics he had.

JasonD (JasonD), Monday, 24 March 2003 08:04 (sixteen years ago) link

but back on topic, i love SA, even with their ridiculous 60s-isms.

i have a friend who dropped loot on the original s/t album w/super shiny cover.

i have a soft spot for "I have known Love" with it's actual chord progression and pretty melody.

JasonD (JasonD), Monday, 24 March 2003 08:08 (sixteen years ago) link

It always surprized how many people find them utterly boring and repetetive in contrust to thoughs (Like Me) who find them extremly addictive. Love the 60's stuff, "Contact" aspeicialy, still haven't heared their 90's stuff yet.

rex jr., Monday, 24 March 2003 08:21 (sixteen years ago) link

If, like me, you get the CD with the first two Silver Apples' albums on it you will probably have the same experience I had. After listening to the first 5 tracks you will be bouncing round the room, thinking, "This band is amazing, this is so ahead of its time". By the end of the 10th track, you will be sitting down rather more soberly, thinking, "Well, it IS kind of boring I suppose". By the end of the CD, you will be slumped in your chair, leafing thru a magazine hoping against hope for the CD to end. Basically, this is a "one good idea" band - I've heard people mention Neu!, who it could be argued are also a one good idea band, but Neu's idea was a very good one and they actually had a few others too.

Dadaismus, Monday, 24 March 2003 14:44 (sixteen years ago) link

the one advantage the silver apples had over neu is that they do not sound like status quo or the music off the golf

bob snoom, Monday, 24 March 2003 15:32 (sixteen years ago) link

five years pass...

worth seeing live? the recent youtubes i found seem pretty cool

the FBI, police and members of the hilarious rock band Korn (eman), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 01:34 (eleven years ago) link

i would also like to know this before i extremely reluctantly pay for spiritualized tickets (who the SAs are supporting down here)

thereminimum chips (electricsound), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 01:40 (eleven years ago) link

luckily i can get in free. the headliner is grails which i'd probably skip

the FBI, police and members of the hilarious rock band Korn (eman), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 01:50 (eleven years ago) link

Stay home and listen to the records IMHO.

ian, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 02:01 (eleven years ago) link


eman, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 02:02 (eleven years ago) link

stay home twice before listening

HI, YOUR BAND! (Mackro Mackro), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 02:37 (eleven years ago) link

Teenage poets, make of that what you will
― dave q, Friday, January 18, 2002 5:00 PM (6 years ago)

OK i love DQ but who wasn't a teenage poet (besides me)?

HI, YOUR BAND! (Mackro Mackro), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 03:19 (eleven years ago) link

i would also like to know this before i extremely reluctantly pay for spiritualized tickets (who the SAs are supporting down here)

― thereminimum chips (electricsound), Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:40 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

Same question, 'cept I used to really like SPZ.

milling through the grinder, grinding through the mill (S-), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 03:33 (eleven years ago) link

seen em twice (as a headliner, mind you) in the past year or so and had a lot of fun each time.

Maciej (maciej recognizing trill), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 04:04 (eleven years ago) link


the head werewolf's girlfriend (latebloomer), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 04:15 (eleven years ago) link

ten months pass...

"i have known love" is so so good

kamerad, Saturday, 17 October 2009 02:15 (ten years ago) link


ian, Saturday, 17 October 2009 04:32 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

I love everything about "A Pox On You" but maybe maybe #1 best part is the tasty drumming.

Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 01:38 (eight years ago) link

"This band is amazing, .... , "Well, it IS kind of boring I suppose". By the end of the CD, you will be slumped in your chair, leafing thru a magazine hoping against hope for the CD to end.

― Dadaismus, Monday, 24 March 2003 14:44 (7 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Of course, some albums (or, indeed, sides of albums) should be heard as partworks.

Listening to the whole CD is too much too soon, sure.

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 13:42 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

They'd be classic just for "I Have Known Love," which I've now listened to 10X straight this morning; such a deceptively weird track. Completely transfixed by the way some lines/couplets get doubled over in certain places. Plus, I think the stanzas are tercets, but they kind of bleed into one another in random places.

That one and "Program" are the two best in my opinion.

Xerox of Fate, Sunday, 15 July 2012 20:57 (seven years ago) link

eleven months pass...

i think this is the music that feels the most "ahead of its time" to me....if not for some of the vocal mannerisms i would never guess it was a 68 album

My cd copy of Contact sounds like total shit, bums me out.

Trip Maker, Monday, 1 July 2013 23:29 (six years ago) link

what label?

sleeve, Monday, 1 July 2013 23:32 (six years ago) link

Whirlybird, I think. I bought it just a few months or so before the s/t and it were reissued on a twofer. That one probably sounds better.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 00:22 (six years ago) link

"i have known love" still sounds like it comes from the future

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 00:34 (six years ago) link

You and I sounds like Bomb Squad production twenty years early.

u r all xanax'd bonobos (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 09:34 (six years ago) link

I remember hearing "Oscillations" as warm up music for like a Dan Deacon show or something and it was the same thing - until the vocals kicked in I thought it was something really modern.

frogbs, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 13:04 (six years ago) link

I had dinner with Simeon in Lisbon once and he was a Southern gentleman

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 3 July 2013 20:48 (six years ago) link

period live performance setup

very very impressive

from the five-star Astronauta Pinguim blog -

Milton Parker, Thursday, 11 July 2013 00:30 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

Great post from Graham Sutton (Bark Psychosis etc.) just now that he'll be working with Simeon on a new Silver Apples album

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 November 2014 19:39 (five years ago) link

eight months pass...

So, what does the 2015 incarnation sound like? Simeon + ?

ヽ(´ー`)┌ (CompuPost), Thursday, 30 July 2015 00:55 (four years ago) link

$13 at Trans-Pecos tmrrow, so expectations very low; just struck me that I have ~0% idea what he/they sound like live nowadays.

ヽ(´ー`)┌ (CompuPost), Thursday, 30 July 2015 01:00 (four years ago) link

I suppose this is as good a place as any to ask a question I've been wondering about for some years.

Back in 1998 or 1999 I was involved in the shooting of a music video for Silver Apples. It was set in a mental hospital or psych ward, and the basic idea was mental patients were getting administered drugs by a mad doctor played by Simeon, after which they would have convulsions or freak out. We were told that this footage would later be intercut with live performance footage of the Silver Apples for the final edit. I am pretty certain that "Mad Man Blues" from the album The Garden was supposed to be the song, due to the obvious thematic connection.

I never saw a completed version of this video, or even any part of what was shot, and I wonder if it ever came out at all. Has anyone seen anything resembling this anywhere?

The director of the video was Barak Soval, who later made the Silver Apples documentary Of the Moon, which I have also never seen.

I remember that Simeon was very nice and easy to work with.

Josefa, Thursday, 30 July 2015 02:41 (four years ago) link

I saw Silver Apples in Chicago last year. It was just Simeon. There was a cool mix of prerecorded tracks and live synth/electronic gizmo playing. And he sings of course.

JRN, Thursday, 30 July 2015 05:15 (four years ago) link

Was the Of the Moon doc ever officially released? For something that might've come out in 2008, looks like it fell down the memory hole.

From this 2010 SoS article, sounds like he uses old samples of Taylor for the drum?

ヽ(´ー`)┌ (CompuPost), Thursday, 30 July 2015 14:37 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

can't believe I hadn't heard The Garden yet, this opening track is totally killer:

also lol @ the cover of "Mustang Silly"....doooodle blip bap dit dit blop bleep

frogbs, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 19:50 (three years ago) link

nine months pass...

this dude did a Quietus bakers dozen and it's pretty entertaining

Ellas Bates, a guitar player from Mississippi, decided to call himself Bo Diddley and wrote his first song and called it 'Bo Diddley'. Then he wrote 'Hey, Bo Diddley', then he wrote 'Go, Bo Diddley', then he wrote 'Diddley Daddy', and everybody loved him because of that 'dah, dada, dah (pause) da dah' beat. He got on the Ed Sullivan Show by promising to play a big Merle Travis hit song called 'Sixteen Tons'. Instead he played (guess what) 'Bo Diddley' and got himself banned forever from the Ed Sullivan Show.

He was my hero.

Many times we would be the only people there, except for the bartender and the Arkestra folks who were a costumed multitude, some musicians, some who danced some kind of Afro-mythology interpretation and others who held weird poses for hours. One time I got up to go take a leak and there was an African warrior balanced on the urinal playing a saxophone. Amazing... and beer was only 25 cents a mug.

decided to check out this 2016 release. dunno what to think of it yet. its better than the 90s stuff for sure. mighty odd. amazing that Simeon sounds exactly the same as he did in the 60's, though he kinda had the voice of an old hippie back then, so...

frogbs, Thursday, 31 August 2017 19:04 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

okay I've been listening to Clinging to a Dream a lot in the last month and I actually think it's about as good as the band's first three albums (counting The Garden, of course). it's probably the strangest Silver Apples album there is. Simeon is such a weirdo.

frogbs, Friday, 13 October 2017 13:21 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

Thanks for the link.
Coxe continues to perform and tour as Silver Apples. He released a new album in 2016, and a release for Record Store Day on 13 April is due next month. Despite a lifetime of turbulence and rotten luck, he insists the good times far outweigh the bad. Even 50 years on from the moment that sent his career into the wilderness for nearly two decades, he refuses to have any regrets. “No,” he says. “Not one.”

dow, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 17:12 (seven months ago) link

two weeks pass...

RSD single is pretty wild...not sure how I feel about the (intentionally?) glitched out ending but the jam section is pretty cool. definitely feels like vintage Silver Apples. remix is pretty nice too.

frogbs, Monday, 29 April 2019 21:50 (six months ago) link

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