Rush: Classic or Dud?

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Rush are r0x0r, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Check out the k-kewl sartorial elegance displayed on the back cover of "2112" if you don't believe me. Stylee! Neil Peart's RAD, d00d (etc etc)

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/<-r/-\/>, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I am proud to say that I once voted Rush the greatest band of the 80's. They had a lot of good moments, 'Xanadu' appeared in Tommy Vance's poll for the top ten rock tracks of all time throughout most of the 1980s. I think they peaked with 'The Weapon' on Signals (1982). They differed from their contemporaries in being more interested in playing around with the time-signature of their tracks. But ultimately, in an oft repeated pattern, instrumental virtuosity ceased to be musically interesting and just became self-indulgent.

Conor Kostick, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

But ultimately, in an oft repeated pattern, instrumental virtuosity ceased to be musically interesting and just became self-indulgent.

Are you describing your personal development or that of the band? Because, if anything, the band got less and less showy as the years went on. "Counterparts" (the last one I heard) was even "grunge" influenced, allegedly. Rush was my favorite band all throughout high school.

Kris, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Hey, it's supposed to be a HAIKU, people !

Guitar mag gruel
Less smart than it wants to be
Pretty harmless now

Hey, gimme a break, I've never written a haiku before.

Patrick, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Stoner's favourite

'Tom Sawyer' plays through art class

Turn that shit off now!

suzy, Saturday, 23 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Geddy Lee = King of the Mullet People

Kim, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I'm in Canada I like said prog band less Than I did before

Dave M., Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Truly dreadful, they Give "chops", prog-rock a bad name. Two good songs* -- rest's dud.

*( I reluctantly but freely admit that both Tom Sawyer and YYZ are both decent songs.)

Phil, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Oh dear, where did my line breaks go...

Phil, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Childhood memories
Older brother worships them
Despite this, they ROCK

Dan Perry, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Repeated listens
Render it annoying, eh
Still, sentimental

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
I'm so bored tonight that I'm reading vintage "classic or dud"'s, and I have to say that the stipulation of submitting answers in haiku format is pure, unhomogenized genius. More please!

Alex in NYC, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Objectivist Rock a la Ayn Rand = DUD!

Jack Cole, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"Unhomogenised
Gen-i-us?" You would say that,
Since you started it!

Jeff W, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

BA da BA BA BA

da BA BA BA BA da-da

BA da BA BA BA...

Joe, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Neil Peart squeals, righteous in his Objectivist zeal but all their songs suck

Shaky Mo Collier, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Drummers Who Write songs
Didn't make Hüsker Dü suck
it was Geddy's voice.

Mr Noodles, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
They may be cheesy
But add rocking conviction
Who else but Rush eh?

piers (piers), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Rush sucks my big dick
Geddy lee is a scourge on Earth
prog rock motherfucks

The TAO that can be Posted is not the TAO! (The Tao that can be Posted is), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

more rush haikus please

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Andrew L missed the whole point of "Spirit of Radio"! TAO: Your second line would actually fit haiku conventions if you made it "Geddy is a scourge on Earth".

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Fly by night limelight
Too many notes played at once
Blame's on Toronto

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 8 October 2004 05:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

thank you sweet sundar, you are correct. that is what i meant to do. *tries to awkwardly plant a kiss on sundar's cheek and is promptly slapped on the face* ouch.

The TAO that can be Posted is not the TAO! (The Tao that can be Posted is), Friday, 8 October 2004 05:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Ayn Rand prog rockin'
Canadian eunuch squeals
You people so dumb!

Confucius, Friday, 8 October 2004 06:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

moving pictures has
the very worst cover art
which is such a shame

subdivisions rocks
which counters all that i've been
told about this band

the lyrics are too
obvious but what can you
expect from hosers?

derrick (derrick), Friday, 8 October 2004 06:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

'Limelight' licks are great
'Signals' is a true classic
The rest smells like wee

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Friday, 8 October 2004 07:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Once I crossed the street
Geddy Lee almost hit me
In his Land Rover

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Friday, 8 October 2004 07:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

CLASSIC as long as this man was Prime Minister:

http://www.clevernet.on.ca/pierre_trudeau/images/pic_trudeau_beer.jpg

DUD thereafter

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 8 October 2004 09:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

[...wish I coulda found a picture of him riding on a train & flipping off protesters thru the window!]

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 8 October 2004 09:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Rush is good
for opening up my pooper
so other men can do me

Good Dog, Friday, 8 October 2004 10:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

. . . Or maybe not

Space-jazz-rock-tronic
If rednecks didn't like them
They'd be Kraftwerk-hip

Geddyvox

Less boy or girl than
Alien; Precise
Enunciation

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 8 October 2004 15:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

fact checkin cuz to thread

sleep (sleep), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Songs(works) and arrangements: Classic
Lyrics and vocals: Dud

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 8 October 2004 22:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I love Rush probably more than any other band....I don't think there BETTER than alot of bands, but they were a big part of my childhood....

Great band, I think.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 8 October 2004 22:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Young Black Teenagers
Seeking the phattest of shit
Sample Tom Sawyer

dlp9001, Saturday, 9 October 2004 00:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

has anyone seen the episode of "trailer park boys" where they kidnap alex liefson?
i gained new respect for the man after watching that.

m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Saturday, 9 October 2004 13:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I have no haiku to offer which I why I didn't say anything before. But great, of course.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 October 2004 13:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i was at a party with some guys who were really entranced with some kind of video of stevie ray vaughn stranglin' the blues back in the '80s. doo-rags. these guys were such geeks, glued to the tube while there were girls to hit on and barbecue to scarf. then they got into "moving pictures," talking about the "production values" and saying things like "you can't deny the musicianship," while trying to be "ironic" about the whole stinkin' thing. typical night with people in nashville trying to be hip about not being hip or whatever that convolution is. then, everyone got drunk the host attempted to explain the shaggs to these geeks and everyone *listened hard and they got it*!! ahh. so, rush sucks and that's it, that's just like being "ironic" about kiss or worryin' about montgomery gentry, i think (as in the video where that goober takes off his cowboy hat to reveal an expensive-looking doo-rag/headwrap of some kind), and only the man upstairs can say whether rush is great or not...yes, rush did a record of covers i understand includes a version of eddie cochran's summertime blues done like blue cheer! so, they have roots like the rest of us, cuz.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 9 October 2004 15:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

worst. voice. ever.

oops (Oops), Sunday, 10 October 2004 00:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

No, that is Brian Johnson, Robert Plant or Bruce Dickinson. But Geddy Lee's voice is not far behind.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 10 October 2004 00:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

As a band: dud. As a rite of passage: classic.
-- scott p (scot...), June 21st, 2001.

the wisdom in this succinct observation is humid. i loved rush until i discovered indie and punk rock in high school. hearing that particularly melodramatic cut "the trees" (i think that's the title) is still powerfully evocative of my 13-15 years, playing D&D, obsessing about securing issue # 202 of Spiderman, and committing to memory SNL lines. so i'll grant my meaningless benediction upon Rush in the same manner as the astute scott p.

j.m. lockery (j.m. lockery), Sunday, 10 October 2004 02:25 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Rush: Sophomore Lit.
texts become some deep and
meaningful lyrics.

Edward Bax, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Red Barchetta" plays
on radio, Rush fan gets
a speeding ticket.

Edward Bax, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Fans debate how to
say Peart. Does it sound like "pert"?
No, it rhymes with "near".

Edward Bax, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Here: Rush's real names
Alex Zivojinovic
Gary Lee Weinrib

Edward Bax, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

hahaha

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Classic.

NEER-neer-neener-neener
NEE nee nerr
NEER-neer-neener-neener...

That's my "Tom Sawyer" tribute. They should have collaborated with Gary Numan. Maybe there's still time.

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

They sort of define dud, don't they?

Burr (Burr), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 22:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

They define "dude," as in, one kid goes, "Dude, check out Neil's drum solo." Other kid nods in appreciation: "Duuuuuuude." I guess with each passing year I like them less than I did when I was 15, but I still wonder what people who dislike them aren't hearing. Maybe they haven't heard "Natural Science," or "Hemispheres," or "The Camera Eye." I guess Geddy's voice can be annoying but so can Neil Young's and Johnny Rotten's.

clark, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 22:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Canadian crap
You hosers should have stayed home
why why oh god why?

The TAO that can be Posted is not the TAO! (The Tao that can be Posted is), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 23:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

la villa strangiato book ii: addicted to that rush

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 20:31 (six months ago) Permalink

Alfred's latest "Worst Songs" post is also a celebration of one of Rush's best

https://humanizingthevacuum.wordpress.com/2018/05/08/worst-songs-ever-arcade-fires-we-used-to-wait/

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 20:35 (six months ago) Permalink

"I think of The Moody Blues as "post-psychedelic" rather than "proto-prog" ..."

watching justin sing nights in white satin on that hall of fame thing and all i could think of was the first king crimson album. the flute! the mellotron! greg lake's justin homage!

scott seward, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 20:40 (six months ago) Permalink

procol harum in 1967 and moody blues in 1967 = most prog to come!

scott seward, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 20:42 (six months ago) Permalink

'Grand Designs' came up on shuffle earlier and... fucking hell, I love this band.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 21:09 (six months ago) Permalink

By the way, that Billy Sheehan clip I posted, that's one of the very few times I've heard Rush playing anything but Rush songs with anybody but the core three members, let alone jamming.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 21:17 (six months ago) Permalink

i saw that tour. sheehan did a bass solo with a power drill

mookieproof, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 21:30 (six months ago) Permalink

I think he and Gilbert both did!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 21:49 (six months ago) Permalink

That may have been the last time Rush even bothered with an opening act.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 21:49 (six months ago) Permalink

I saw Primus open for Rush on the Roll the Bones tour. I think Primus toured with them again in 1994.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 22:49 (six months ago) Permalink

ooh, that sounds right. I wasn't sure if they traded off with mr. big behind presto.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 8 May 2018 22:57 (six months ago) Permalink

I had to sit through Vinnie Moore on that tour, horific.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 23:13 (six months ago) Permalink

I can't spell...

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 8 May 2018 23:14 (six months ago) Permalink

the first big rock concert i ever went to. i made my dad take me. now i can listen to a bad bootleg of it on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwmEQTCf8bU

scott seward, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 00:52 (six months ago) Permalink

Jealous

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 02:13 (six months ago) Permalink

I saw Primus open for Rush on the Roll the Bones tour. I think Primus toured with them again in 1994.

― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, May 8, 2018 3:49 PM (three hours ago)

check the intro y'all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ato_YTBQpu4

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 02:37 (six months ago) Permalink

When I saw Primus at Lollapalooza, they played a bit of A Passage To Bangkok.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 02:40 (six months ago) Permalink

Huh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piLUfNc-96w

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 03:57 (six months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IOKT_sC9ac

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 24 May 2018 19:53 (five months ago) Permalink

that rules, schroeder's keybs
brown's shredding, pigpen's peart, snoop
doggy dog's bass damn

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 24 May 2018 20:11 (five months ago) Permalink

last time I heard Madonna's "Ray of Light" the only thing I could think of was how much it sounded like Rush

frogbs, Thursday, 24 May 2018 20:20 (five months ago) Permalink

xxp So many perfect touches to that, not least the running time :)

Jeff W, Thursday, 24 May 2018 20:23 (five months ago) Permalink

three months pass...
two months pass...

Cool interview. Hemispheres is where it really all coalesced for them.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 01:46 (three weeks ago) Permalink

for historical purposes, this is a good post about power windows

Imagine a POLL Where It All Began: Rush- Power Windows Poll

mookieproof, Wednesday, 24 October 2018 02:39 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Great interview!

The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Wednesday, 24 October 2018 12:43 (three weeks ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

After decades of sentimental favoritism, I'm willing to admit that "Hold Your Fire" is relatively weak. However! The entire first side (give or take "Second Nature") is some great songwriting and arranging. "Hold Your Fire" is lovely. "Force Ten" is rousing, "Open Secrets" is some great lyrics writing and features a neat coda, and "Prime Mover" is of course awesome. Side two ... "Mission" is kind of a weaker "Marathon," though of course "Turn the Page" is cool. The rest of the songs are pretty eh. The band would get better at conventional songwriting with "Presto."

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 November 2018 12:50 (one week ago) Permalink

it’s a pretty uneven record imo. first side is indeed so awesome

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 November 2018 12:59 (one week ago) Permalink

Heh, I meant to say "Time Stand Still" is lovely. Why is this not a classic rock/AOR staple?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 November 2018 14:21 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm not ashamed to admit that time stand still is the song that triggered my rush fandom at the belated age of 35.

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 8 November 2018 15:17 (one week ago) Permalink

It's really a good song, and much of it comes down to Peart's lyrics. If they were bad the song would only be OK.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 November 2018 15:27 (one week ago) Permalink

just as well it wasn't made five years later, or aimee mann's part would have been given to a computerized 'rapper' voice

mookieproof, Thursday, 8 November 2018 15:34 (one week ago) Permalink

Hold Your Fire is the first LP in their discography that I don't like - I pretty much like to love everything before that, even the first three albums.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 8 November 2018 19:41 (one week ago) Permalink

I like "Mission" they did it once when I saw them live

there's a doc about the last tour called "Time Stand Still" on Showtime, was nice, didn't know how much pain Peart was in

Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 8 November 2018 19:47 (one week ago) Permalink

I still haven't watched that doc. Worried it will depress me too much.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 8 November 2018 19:51 (one week ago) Permalink

Nah, it's good. Peart has gone through worse than physical pain.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 November 2018 19:58 (one week ago) Permalink

watch it, it's not depressing

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 8 November 2018 20:58 (one week ago) Permalink


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