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"Superunknown" rocks the known world. Fucking love that album.

Michael Bourke, Saturday, 7 December 2002 01:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Your fruity phrasing rocks the fruitless world. Wot about Badmotorfinger?

naked as sin (naked as sin), Saturday, 7 December 2002 15:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

A classic song in "Jesus Christ Pose", generally solid, but I listened enough in the 90s. I'd sooner just put on Paranoid.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 7 December 2002 16:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
I heard "Jesus Christ Pose" ofr the first time in a LOOOOOONG time yesterday... that's a pretty wild song: 12/4 polyrhythmia, down tuned 5th strings, this is like "The Immigrant Song" of the 1990s.

But one thing I was taken with was during the bridge or somewhere in the middle of all the riffage in the middle is this pretty direct lift of a couple Jesus Christ Superstar themes which I never picked up on in 1992 for one reason or another... despite picking the very same themes up in Pegboy and Afghan Whigs records from the same year. Anyone else catch that?

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 11 October 2004 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

How is it that I never answered this thread at the time?

In any case, Soundgarden -- in their day (now many, many, many moons ago) -- were fucking **MASSIVE** , and a QUADRILLION LIGHT YEARS OF BROAD SWEEPING VAST DISTANCES better than their snivelling little pals in Nirvana. First saw them at L'Amour in Brooklyn (with Voi Vod and Faith No More) circa Louder Than Love and they blasted a new part in my hair. Great, great, great band .

big fans of Killing Joke, by the way.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 11 October 2004 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I used to maintain that there was no need to buy their records as long as you could find Black Sabbath or (good luck!) Sir Lord Baltimore. I now amend that to add Kyuss, Trouble, and Queens of the Stone Age, whom I haven't even heard yet.

Soundgarden had their moments.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 11 October 2004 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link

were fucking **MASSIVE** , and a QUADRILLION LIGHT YEARS OF BROAD SWEEPING VAST DISTANCES better than their snivelling little pals in Nirvana. First saw them at L'Amour in Brooklyn (with Voi Vod and Faith No More) circa Louder Than Love and they blasted a new part in my hair.

I don't really see much of a point of comparison with Soundgarden and Nirvana anyway, other than they were both guitar rock bands from Seattle....Soundgarden has way more in common with the bands that Myonga just cited than Nirvana....

Also, I REALLY REALLY REALLY WISH I WOULD HAD BEEN AT THAT SHOW....christ what a lineup! I need to listen to some Voivod.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 11 October 2004 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Sonically speaking, you're right.....Soundgarden sound nothing like Nirvana (and vice versa), but being that Nirvana are tirelessly lauded as the "ultimate Grunge band," I'm always quick to point out that (a) Soundgarden beat them to it and (b) Soundgarden were fuckin' better. But yes, Matt, you're correct.

And yes, the show in question was godlike. Voi Vod had recently released Nothingface and FNM were promoting The Real Thing. And this was at a shitty, tiny little club. I was wearing a Dread Zeppelin shirt at the time, and Matt Cameron -- seemingly on his way out of the men's room during Voi Vod's set -- says "that's some funny, fucked up shit!". Yay.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 11 October 2004 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link

that's a good year too, all three bands at probably their peaks.

i had erased dread zeppelin from my memory until i read that. yikes! boy i bet that wouldn't seem as funny if i heard it now...

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 11 October 2004 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Best song on Superunknown - "Head Down"..... hands down.

kickitcricket (kickitcricket), Monday, 11 October 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

You've all inspired me to listen to Superunknown. Christ, 'Let Me Drown' is a great album opener.

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 11 October 2004 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link

gygax!, yes, I was trying to persuade Dave M of that same thing at the last TOFAP - I always thought it was a pretty clever allusion myself. I love the horn breaks in "Face Pollution". I think the grind of "4th of July" is the best track on Superunknown. I was too hard on them in my earlier post. One thing I'll say 'against' them though is: On another thread Mr Diamond (and I know he loves Zep to death) described Cornell as "Robert Plant with a better voice", which I don't think is the case. I was listening to III last night and really noticed the things Plant does with dynamics and tone in that insane register (where he often actually sings more than some give him credit for) - He's pretty never right in key but somehow that works in a way - and you can see that sometimes he achieves a certain effect by going particularly flat. The only sense in which I could see Cornell being 'better' is in terms of singing in key and maybe having a more full supported tone but what he tends to do with his voice tends to fall in more cliched patterns.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 11 October 2004 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link

"...pretty much never right in key". And it's a certain effect of emphasis when he goes totally flat.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 11 October 2004 21:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I guess it's also that Cornell seems to have much less of a range in terms of dynamics.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 11 October 2004 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Huh, did I really say that about Cornell/Plant? I don't remember. If so, I'm not sure I would agree with myself either! Maybe I meant like, stronger, better projection -- when Plant really pushed his voice there's an occasional sense of straining that you never really got with Cornell -- but yeah I wouldn't say the latter's necessarily the overall "better" of the two.

I like 'em both just fine.

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Monday, 11 October 2004 21:19 (nineteen years ago) link

"Keep it Off My Wave" is one of my favorite songs. Great riff, great singing, great theme.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 11 October 2004 21:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and I was at that Faith No More/Soundgarden/Voivod show that Alex mentions too; in fact I saw two stops on that tour. It was really great.

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Monday, 11 October 2004 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Nice sundar, I believe it is the really metal minor riff from "The Temple" but it shows up in other places on JCSS.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 11 October 2004 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Despite the fact that I still find 'em by far the weaker of the three bands, I too regret missing their show with Voivod & Faith No More when they played Toronto in early '90. (Didn't find out about it until the next day, boo hoo.)

Actually, honestly, I guess Soundgarden were better than I ever give 'em credit for. If I'd never read a single interview with or article about them, I'd like 'em more than I do. (But still not as much as Sabbath or Zep, from whom they borrowed plenty despite their nonsensical denials.)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 11 October 2004 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Pretty Noose is a great song.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 11 October 2004 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link

"In any case, Soundgarden -- in their day (now many, many, many moons ago) -- were fucking **MASSIVE** , and a QUADRILLION LIGHT YEARS OF BROAD SWEEPING VAST DISTANCES better than their snivelling little pals in Nirvana."

alex in nyc is officially the biggest crybaby on ILX.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 11 October 2004 23:56 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry, i'm having a bad day. I'M actually the biggest crybaby here.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think i could rate Cornell above Plant either. But christ that concert with FNM, Voivod and Soundgarden all at a peak sounds just ridiculous. Caught Soundgarden live around the BadMotorFinger album (def. my fave) and the absolute force of each player (think Shepherd! and Thayil!) meant Cornell didn't have to carry it and be the preening vocalist he became later.

piers (piers), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 00:43 (nineteen years ago) link

alex in nyc is officially the biggest crybaby on ILX.

How does merely stating a fact make me a crybaby?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 00:58 (nineteen years ago) link

don't worry about it, i was sniping at ya cause i was grumpy earlier.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 02:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I haven't been inspired to listen to Superunknown in a really long time, but if i remember correctly, "Let Me Drown", "Fell On Black Days", "Head Down" and others were/are pretty fucking awesome songs. And wasn't "Burden In My Hand" just a solid pop song? Kinda surprising. Maybe i'll get em back in the playlist.

lemin (lemin), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 04:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Soundgarden could be a pretty damn good band when they wanted to.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 04:29 (nineteen years ago) link

"Full On Kevin's Mom" by Soundgarden

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 11:45 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Badmotorfinger is a much weirder (not always successfully) album than I remember it being. I can definitely hear the Bauhaus in it a lot more clearly these days.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link

One of the 1st grunge albums I bought. Still love it.
Do you like Ultra Mega Ok and Louder Than Love, Ned?

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Screaming Life > Ultramega OK > Badmotorfinger > Louder Than Love > Superunknown > Down on the Upside

Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Badmotorfinger is a great album, start to finish. The earlier records are made up of songs that are about half-cooked. Just riffs really. But some good riffs. The later stuff has some good songs, but they started running out of ideas pretty quick, and "Fell on Black Days" is horrible. "Burden in my Hand" , "Day I Tried to Live" pretty great though. They started out smarter than they were letting on, but ended up just as dumb as thier pose.

I've never heard anyone else make the comparison, but Soundgarden's songwriting remind me a lot of early Traffic- stuff like "Mr. Fantasy" and "Forty Thousand Headmen"- in the lyrics, the dynamics and in Cornell's singing.

bendy (bendy), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

down on the upside isn't that great but I think "Pretty Noose" is a most excellent jam.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 22:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Superunknown and Down On The Upside are both about half an hour too long, but I'm probably just wishing they conformed to the length of old Led Zeppelin LPs. I love love love "4th Of July" - such a beautifully ugly riff.

I wonder if "My Wave" was meant as a Yes rip, because it reminds me of part of "Ritual"...

Deluxe (Damian), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Anyone know how much some of their rarer vinyl is worth? Such as:

Louder Than Live (yes, Live) on blue vinyl.
Hands All Over promo single.
Loud Love promo single.
etc.

Reatards Unite, Sunday, 24 August 2008 21:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Try completed listings on ebay -

http://cgi.ebay.com/SOUNDGARDEN-Louder-Than-Live-promo-12-blue-wax-punk_W0QQitemZ370061040886QQihZ024QQcategoryZ306QQcmdZViewItem

63 on ebay, can buy it mint on musicstack for 70.

svend, Sunday, 24 August 2008 22:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Thanks, but how do you search for ebay completed listings?

Reatards Unite, Sunday, 24 August 2008 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link

It is under advanced search, it requires you to sign in. If you don't have an account, google is pretty good for finding recent listings too.

svend, Sunday, 24 August 2008 22:25 (fifteen years ago) link

try http://www.popsike.com/ too

Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 24 August 2008 22:31 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.popsike.com/php/detaildata.php?itemnr=4873252359

Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 24 August 2008 22:32 (fifteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

The hell?:

The biggest highlight came when Morello introduced former Soundgarden members guitarist Kim Thayil, bassist Ben Shepard and drummer Matt Cameron. The three former bandmates took to the stage with none other than Tad Doyle, former frontman of TAD and current powerhouse singer for Brothers of the Sonic Cloth. He led the band through a three-song "Tadgarden" set that included a Soundgarden rarity and a classic.

Doyle, who is good friends with the Soundgarden crew from their days as tour and labelmates on Sub Pop, sang a powerful rendition of "Nothing to Say" and delivered a scream-laden "Spoonman," which included Morello on rhythm guitar.

It appeared as if a lot of the crowd, which was a mixture of old school grungers in their mid 30s to late 40s and younger Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave fans, didn't quite know what to make of Doyle.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:10 (fifteen years ago) link

lol that sounds pretty great, though i guess you would have had to sit through a tom morello solo show to see it?

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 18:13 (fifteen years ago) link

haha yes... and here i am stuck with tix to see cornell ;_;

butt-rock miyagi (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 25 March 2009 22:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Photos and more:

http://cherrycanoe.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/nothing-to-say/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 22:37 (fifteen years ago) link

the 12 year old me just bust a nut

straightola, Thursday, 26 March 2009 12:04 (fifteen years ago) link

badmotorfinger is nothing short of explosive when the right mood hits. strangely it makes for a truly nostalgic listen, most likely because it encapsulates the creative heights of an era that was so dominant and far-reaching in its exposure, but also so brittle and dependent on the energy and conviction levels of its principle players to survive.

Charlie Howard, Thursday, 26 March 2009 12:19 (fifteen years ago) link

The iPod in my head is playing 'Room a Thousand Years Wide' right now.

MacDara, Thursday, 26 March 2009 12:21 (fifteen years ago) link

that's called your brain.

I, Contrarian-Ass Mutha (some dude), Thursday, 26 March 2009 13:09 (fifteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

Well I'm amused:

http://www.soundgardenworld.com/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 January 2010 07:48 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm going to remain optimistic until further notice.

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 1 January 2010 10:12 (fourteen years ago) link

"Mind Riot" kinda felt like a precursor to some of the more atmospheric stuff they did on later albums

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 June 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

That Vedder video making the rounds is cathartic and sad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2GcJ32m13Y

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 July 2017 14:10 (six years ago) link

four months pass...

they've always reminded me of a very heavy version of early Traffic

for your consideration, this challop (?) i found on the interweb:

'SG was always more Heart than Sabbath'

j., Friday, 24 November 2017 18:34 (six years ago) link

five months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY5tDB9mp3c
what a voice

niels, Friday, 27 April 2018 09:42 (five years ago) link

OMG

Lou Grant, the Iranian cinema of late '70s TV (stevie), Friday, 27 April 2018 09:54 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

heavy as fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkPDK0m8Ir4

corrs unplugged, Monday, 29 July 2019 11:03 (four years ago) link

Wow. Thanks for that.

And for this:

/they've always reminded me of a very heavy version of early Traffic/

for your consideration, this challop (?) i found on the interweb:

'SG was always more Heart than Sabbath'

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 29 July 2019 11:37 (four years ago) link

that whole new live album is great, some nice early jams on it. felt very very lucky to have caught one of those reunion shows in london - they were on amazing form.

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Monday, 29 July 2019 12:23 (four years ago) link

looking back at setlist only sad thing for me personally was no jesus christ pose https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/soundgarden/2012/o2-shepherds-bush-empire-london-england-53da9f5d.html

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Monday, 29 July 2019 12:25 (four years ago) link

new live album is immense. cornell's voice is so strong.

SHANTY the golden fish portion (stevie), Monday, 29 July 2019 21:17 (four years ago) link

Yeah, I'm listening to the live album now and it's redeeming King Animal songs for me - I found that album incredibly forgettable at the time, but those tunes slot into an amazing set very well.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 29 July 2019 23:07 (four years ago) link

it's a great album! worth spending time with!

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 29 July 2019 23:29 (four years ago) link

Bones Of Birds is one of their very best

SHANTY the golden fish portion (stevie), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 11:33 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

Drown me riff 4 lyfe

calstars, Saturday, 21 September 2019 02:32 (four years ago) link

nah slaves & bulldozers

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 21 September 2019 02:57 (four years ago) link

why choose

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 21 September 2019 03:44 (four years ago) link

“Hands all over” a close second maybe

calstars, Saturday, 21 September 2019 03:54 (four years ago) link

"Beyond the Wheel" is the tits

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Saturday, 21 September 2019 03:59 (four years ago) link

cosign on that too

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 21 September 2019 04:02 (four years ago) link

I miss Chris Cornell.

Simon H., Saturday, 21 September 2019 04:26 (four years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUqkDX0tnfM

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 21 September 2019 04:31 (four years ago) link

I will never regret buying the ticket to see him on a whim at some minor local festival (when I couldn't make Welcome to Rockville), as he was gone only a few weeks later. he seemed in good spirits and sounded great, with a lot of his power coming back.

oh, the other song that was a jam was "Room a Thousand Years Wide"

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Saturday, 21 September 2019 04:34 (four years ago) link

nah slaves & bulldozers

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The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 21 September 2019 12:56 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8hKsPtw4yY

was curious about this performance and just ended up watching it straight through. greatest band of all time

american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 5 January 2020 12:08 (four years ago) link

I saw them on that tour. Gigantic performance, and one of the greatest large venue-concert experiences I can remember.

Mule, Sunday, 5 January 2020 12:21 (four years ago) link

I was at that show. I'd flown home from Seattle, interviewing Mark Arm, that morning. It rained, and it was sublime. Cornell's voice just got better and better.

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Sunday, 5 January 2020 12:46 (four years ago) link

He wrote the best vocal melodies.

Maresn3st, Sunday, 5 January 2020 14:02 (four years ago) link

Yeah that tour was awesome. I saw them the year prior in SF and they were on fire.

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 5 January 2020 15:18 (four years ago) link

six months pass...

Was reminded of this today:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71ZmsBHcOtL._AC_SX679_.jpg

SOUNDGARDEN ROOKIE CARD!

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 23:46 (three years ago) link

Sad it's not the rare error card with Scott Weiland in a tutu

Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 23:56 (three years ago) link

I'm gonna hit
I'm gonna hit that
I'm gonna hit that upper deck and run

call mr zbow that's my name that name again is mr zbow (Craig D.), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 23:58 (three years ago) link

XP But otoh you get Ben Shepard's photo and Jason Everman's credit.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 00:10 (three years ago) link

no Hiro, no credibility for a rookie card

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 00:17 (three years ago) link

Everman’s incorrect credit - he was only in the videos and maybe toured the album. Hiro played on it and he’s pictured on the cover, for crying out loud!

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 09:09 (three years ago) link

I am pretty sure this was Jason's only studio contribution with SG:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpT4kgg5xlw

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 16:42 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

Sad it’s taken this long just to get close to getting these songs out.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 18 April 2023 19:24 (one year ago) link

Can't believe it's been almost six years. Wow.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 18 April 2023 19:35 (one year ago) link


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