Neu! - Classic or Dud?

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Everyone and his sister ripped off Neu! as we all know. The funniest similarity for me has always been "Hallogallo", the twangle (twang!) of which can clearly be recognized in Alien Sex Fiend's "Now I'm Feeling Z". Classic!

Simon, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Damn, I just bought Neu! 2 a couple of hours ago, and it's knocking my socks off as I write. I really wish I had known about these guys sooner; however, it is exciting to be discovering them now. I'm actually sort of depressed that there's only one of their albums (well, reissues at least) left for me to get...

Speaking of Cluster, is it pretty impossible to track their stuff down, like it was with pre-reissue Neu! stuff? I will (can) not spend 40 dollars on a piece of (possibly scratched-up) vinyl, either... :-)

Clarke B., Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I did a search on Cluster at gemm.com, which links together the stock lists of loads of record dealers and there are lots of copies of the CDs at affordable prices. I love gemm.com.

Nick, Friday, 1 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I never understood why people complained about the difficulty of finding Neu! material. I think it is more an issue of being cheap or lazy, rather than difficult. There have been many Japanese import bootleg versions of their albums available throughout the 1990's. Granted, they were expensive, but never elusive.

As for the Cluster material, most of that material has been reissued through All Saints(if I am not mistaken.) Most everything by the good german prog bands was reissued/bootlegged in the 90's. You might have to hunt, or pay higher prices, but it is out there.

Michael Taylor, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I've always wondered - is Neu! pronounced Noi, Ner or Nu?

scott, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Till now: Noi

From now: Ner

mark s, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Well EXCUUUUUUUSE ME, Michael, for being cheap and lazy! Not all of us have unlimited funds to spend on low-sound-quality bootlegs, though, and some of us have to pay for things like COLLEGE and GAS and CAR INSURANCE--so, basically, piss off. But thanks for the response.

Clarke B., Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Clarke, if you were any kind of a music fan at all you would be STEALING FROM YOUR COLLEGE in order to get more records. Duh. :)

Josh, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

well yeah, cause 'i'm in love with these times' was first a Clean song. neu seem to get reissued every few years, last time around my friend andrew insisted upon their greatness but i can't being myself to agree. musicology.

keith, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Finally I get to hear Neu! I'm working my way through the albums in chronological order, buying them one at a time, which I've found helps me to absorb new music better than if I get two or three at once. Anyway, yes it's great. Initially I thought that I could live without the more experimental tracks (2, 4 and 6), but now I'm finding more and more in them to like. The way the album is sequenced, the motorik groove tracks seem even more driving because of the freeform interludes. I love great intros, and Neu! contains one of the best - the intro to "Negativland" is terrific - first a road drill makes way for (sinister?) clapping and cheering, then a small orchestra tuning- up mutates into a jet engine woosh before bass and drums fire up the groove. A lot of Factory bands must have heard "Negativland" and "Weissensee" (Section 25, Joy Division, A Certain Ratio, Tunnelvision)

I guess "Hallogallo" is the "Stereolab" one. No denying the close similarity, particularly the stabbing wah-chords which Tim Gane seems very fond of.

Dr.C, Tuesday, 12 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

So finally I get to hear Neu!1 and it's pretty amazing. The guitar playing is excellent throughout the album, very minimal, almost - sorry mark s. just one more influence game ;) - proto MBV.

And Dr.C nails it, 'Hallo Gallo' is the only real Stereolab track, every time I expect Laetitia to start singing: "We're bored/with the dialectic/of the masses/and space/bah-bab-bah-bab.

Omar, Tuesday, 19 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Got Neu 75 at the weekend - pretty much agree with Omar's comments at the top of the thread. Side One (tracks 1-3) is utterly blissful. Still finding my way with the second half of the album, but it's looking good. I kinda miss the road drills from the debut though.

Dr. C, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I bought Neu 75 last week and have barely listened to anything else since. The last time this happened was with DI Go Pop, so therefore pretty obviously a huge classic. As others have remarked the division between the more ambient stuff on side one and the heavier proto-punk side two works really well.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Monday, 2 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Finally picked up these reissues, replacing my old vinyl boots. Miss the gatefold sleeves of course, but glad the packaging sort of preserves the mystery and doesn't feature sleeve notes/quotes from 'celebrity admirers' like Damon Albarn etc. The re-mastering (whatever) sounds GRATE to my ears - never heard 'Fur Immer' (first track on 'Neu! 2') sound quite so punchy before. Now if only somebody would reissue the first La Dusseldorf alb (Dinger's project after Neu!) - it's on a par with the Dinger side of 'Neu! 75'. Domestic cd pressings of the two Harmonia albs would be welcome, too.

, Friday, 6 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
I feel like a bad person because I like Kraftwerk and David Bowie but I can't listen to Neu 75 for the life of me. Is there any hope?

Lindsey B, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

None. You are evil and must leave.

(Did I say this up-thread? D.Bowie said "Neu! Neu! Neu!" abt ten trillion times in 1978-9 but he never sounded like em once.)

mark s, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Maybe Mr. Bowie was influenced by Neu! Just because an artist is influenced by someone else doesn't mean they'll sound a lot like the influence in their music. However,I am evil, I'll give you that much.

Lindsey B, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

(Isn't Neu75 the one even Neu fans hate anyway?)

You may be evil but your theory of influence is better than many (ie quite like mine haha). Biggest influence on [x] = ppl they HATE and exactly DON'T want to sound like.

mark s, Saturday, 11 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

1st 3 Neu! are up on alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.1970s right now for those cheap such as myself.

conny lingus, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

With ref to my post of July 6th, went into Selectadisc yesterday and found the first La Dusseldorf alb on Japanese Import CD (legit issue on Captain Trip) for a semi-measly £10.99! Snapped it up, sounds fantastic (last track 'Time' bears uncannily similarity to Tom Verlaine's 'Breaking In My Heart', recorded some years later - coincidence?) Anyway, any new Neu! fans searching for another/similar fix (let's not mention Stereolab) really should snap one up if they see it...

Andrew L, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ooooh. I'll be down to Selectadisc after work tomorrow then.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
Neu! are phantastic. I wrote something on their 1st record in my blog, if anyone's interested.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 27 August 2002 18:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Overrated. I got their 1st album (finally) a few months ago. Not awful, but I found it screamingly dull considering all the hype they get...

Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 28 August 2002 20:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
Neu! and Neu! 75 are amongst my favourite albums, but Neu! 2 seems far more patchy.

Is it worth checking out the live recordings? I've heard the sound quality is very poor, and theyre usually around £20-£25.

dmun, Thursday, 24 March 2005 11:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Neu! 75 is pretty incredible.

You hear their influences everywhere. Hell, Wilco's "Spider" features a classic driving Neu! beat.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 24 March 2005 12:19 (nineteen years ago) link

There's a CD featuring a 1972 rehearsal that gets okay about 40 minutes in, but the fidelity is horrible and it's really fanatics only. Dinger put it out (along with the paperthin Neu! 4 album, based on a weekend jam with Rother in 1986) on Captain Trips in response to the CD boots of the first three albums in the 90's.

http://mitglied.lycos.de/neuschnee/Neu4.htm
http://mitglied.lycos.de/neuschnee/Neu72.htm

The best tapes are the Kraftwerk live boots with the Schneider / Dinger / Rother lineup, right before D&R spun off to form Neu! An appearence on the TV show 'Beatclub' called 'Rückstoss Gondolero' and the live in Cologne tape, June 12th 1971. They were all collected on a vinyl bootleg called 'Ruckzuck' last year. The Cologne tape is ultra-low-fidelity but the music is incredible.

milton, Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Neu! 4 is NOT worth getting (and the uh live stuff all sounds pretty patchy--esp. considering I think they played live a grand total of maybe a dozen times, they were NOT touring band.) If you want more Neu!-ish stuff get Harmonia's first two records and La Dusseldorf's first record.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd also add La Dusseldorf's followup album Viva!. Alex in SF OTM, otherwise.

donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, Viva! is still pretty good and there is some good Rother solo stuff from the 70s too (although to my memory most of the albums themselves are hit or miss.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I was just listening to the Thomas Dinger (other half of La Dusseldorf) solo album last weekend. Anyone else like that one? He did it all himself, from 1982. Really simple and repetitive keyboard melodies. It puts me in mind of some of the World Standard stuff, but way more sad and melancholy. I'd say if you've exhausted all the official Neu and La Dusseldorf stuff and you want another gem from that scene it's worth picking up. I'd buy it before that awful Neu '72 thing..

Stormy Davis (diamond), Thursday, 24 March 2005 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Does anyone else find Neu's drumming a bit. . . corny?

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 02:36 (eighteen years ago) link

You're fired.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 02:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been trying to get fired all along.

RS (Catalino) LaRue (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 02:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Ned, you totally need to whip your hair over the front and back Donald style

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 02:53 (eighteen years ago) link

man i really wish i had 75 with me right now

strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 02:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Fuck that noise, Jaxon, Trump ripped ME off.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

ned's been banging blondes since the donald was in short pants!

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 03:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I knew I had to hide those photos of the golden retreivers. Or have I said too much?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 03:19 (eighteen years ago) link

TS: Neu! v. La Dusseldorf...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 03:28 (eighteen years ago) link

(gasp! I say LD)

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 03:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, Neu was not one of the artists listed in "The 37 songs that are not 'corny' 'indie'" shrine, guys.. so Neu! lose.

To the Cornyfield they fux0r.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 04:31 (eighteen years ago) link

And in the darkness rock them.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 04:32 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
wow. I've been listening to first three songs on Neu 75 all day(for the first time). the "rockier" songs are good too just not nearly as amazing as the first three

does the rest of their albums have the same mix of heavier and and more ambient songs?

Lovelace (Lovelace), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I hesistantly say 'pretty much,' but all three albums sound pretty different from each other, the third most distinctly from the first two. We're not talking radical differences but I've always heard them as discrete entities.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

The first 2 albums sound more like the beginning of 75 than the end though.

Jdubz (ex machina), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Very true.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Neu 4 on the other hand...

Jdubz (ex machina), Thursday, 10 November 2005 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

is totally underrated.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 10 November 2005 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link

...while Neu! themselves are perhaps a touch overrated.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 10 November 2005 23:15 (eighteen years ago) link

as overrated as smaoking "jazz" cigarettes

sexyDancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 10 November 2005 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I've always felt that Individuellos works better in pieces than as a whole; it's probably his loosest and most saccharine album if you're into that. I just never got the urge to relisten to it.

frogbs, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 13:14 (ten years ago) link

nah first side of Individuellos is killer and works really well as once piece imo

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 13:28 (ten years ago) link

Which one is "bunch of backpacking tourists trying to hit a nail into a block of wood with the thin end of the hammer" ?

I've got "Kommunion/Intensitat", in fact it's the only Stockhausen on vinyl I've managed to buy in five years in London. On "Intensitat" (I think), Stockhausen hammers different lengths of nails into a plank of wood for 20 minutes - doesn't sound all that great to be frank!

― BarabadabaDadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 18:33 (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Bees Against Racism (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 13:31 (ten years ago) link

Did they do anything after Neu 75 that is worth checking out?
Neu! 86 has some great moments, especially Grundfunken.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGEZYr8BfDE

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 14:05 (ten years ago) link

I've only just gotten into Neu! but I prefer the more song-based material like "Hallogallo". Anyone put together a compilation of just those sorts of tracks?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 14:08 (ten years ago) link

Song based?

Bees Against Racism (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 14:14 (ten years ago) link

you mean stuff with rhythm, as opposed to the more avant-garde things on the debut? if it helps there really isn't much of that outside of the first album. Neu! 75 may be what you're looking for.

frogbs, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 14:19 (ten years ago) link

There are three sequel tracks to "Hallogallo" on Neu! 2. Neuschnee, Super and Fur Immer. Neu 75 is more rinky-dink on the first half and has vocals on the second half and it's also worth your time.

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 14:25 (ten years ago) link

As for Rother, the two Harmonia albums are great (especially Deluxe) but I never dug his solo career outside the first one.

Madness! Flammende Herzen, Katzenmusik and Sterntaler are all three of them abso essential.

2 huxtables and a sousaphone (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 15:40 (ten years ago) link

Some good discussion on Rother c or d? here:

KRAUTROCK Listening Klub! - New Albums Every Wednesday

Neil S, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 15:43 (ten years ago) link

is that Hallogallo 2010 seven inch the only studio stuff from that project? i thought there might be a whole album forthcoming -- they sounded pretty fucking great in the live shows I heard.

tylerw, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 15:49 (ten years ago) link

I don't remember much about the album but this is one of my favorite covers -

http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_250/MI0002/038/MI0002038579.jpg?partner=allrovi.com

original bgm, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 19:13 (ten years ago) link

and seconding the japandorf recommendation. much better than I expected.

original bgm, Wednesday, 5 June 2013 19:20 (ten years ago) link

six months pass...

that annoying gap about 1:13 into Sonderangebot, is that meant to be there? is it on the originals or did it creep in with the remasters?

koogs, Friday, 3 January 2014 09:19 (ten years ago) link

according to Dinger, yes. he was quite pissed when the bootleggers "fixed" the error

frogbs, Friday, 3 January 2014 12:30 (ten years ago) link

He liked annoying listeners did Klaus

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Friday, 3 January 2014 16:36 (ten years ago) link

seven years pass...

having a real 'neu! 75 is the greatest album ever' time lately

ufo, Thursday, 1 July 2021 15:10 (two years ago) link

75 fur immer

nxd, Thursday, 1 July 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link

eight months pass...

Hm, something's up

50 years ago, in March 1972, I walked through Düsseldorf ´s "Altstadt" and saw that the cover of our first NEU! album was displayed in the windows of several records shops. Please stay tuned for infos on the celebrations and special concerts planned for this year... pic.twitter.com/gkqEUMFbGF

— Michael Rother (@_MichaelRother_) March 2, 2022

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 22:23 (two years ago) link

!

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 22:23 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

Well it was rumored and here it is, a Neu! box set:

https://www.groenland.com/product/neui-50/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 15:29 (one year ago) link

lol love the stencil
want the 7" but the postage price is a joke

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 15:53 (one year ago) link

not sure what the point of this is, all 4 albums are very available & I can't imagine there's any unreleased stuff out there anymore. like with Faust you at least had a bunch of unearthed stuff + the fact that at least one of those albums (So Far) was very hard to get on vinyl in a non-4MWB edition

frogbs, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 16:02 (one year ago) link

What, you don't like stencils?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 16:04 (one year ago) link

apparently Iggy has been playing Hero from '75 on his recent tour

Stevolende, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 17:47 (one year ago) link

one of the remixes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuF1wauj9h0

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 17:58 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

ordered me this as a lil bday present :)

nxd, Friday, 1 July 2022 21:17 (one year ago) link

Selling points in press release!

Featuring Reworks by The National, Idles, Man Man, Mogwai, Guerilla Toss & More

NEU! Picture Disc and Cassette Available June 17th

dow, Friday, 1 July 2022 21:44 (one year ago) link

four weeks pass...

only just found out iggy pop has been playing hero on tour and rother joined him in hamburg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FspF8LRRXWs

stirmonster, Sunday, 31 July 2022 00:41 (one year ago) link

baller move imo

assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 31 July 2022 03:34 (one year ago) link

NEU! featured with cover story in the new issue of The Wire. Mike Barnes writes in 'The Unbroken Circle' about the history of NEU! and cites from an interview I recently did with him on behalf of the 50th anniversary of the first NEU! album. Get it here: https://t.co/4UVNx9ZBhH pic.twitter.com/r0ZrVSest8

— Michael Rother (@_MichaelRother_) August 10, 2022

nxd, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 11:35 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

so, is the box worth it? sounding any different than the previous releases?

StanM, Friday, 30 December 2022 14:50 (one year ago) link

Haven't noticed difference in sounds but it's a beauty for the collection

nxd, Monday, 2 January 2023 17:59 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Magic Rother and friends gig tonight, they hit the NEU! / Harmonia / solo classics hard, pretty heavy in places too. Vittoria added vocals to E-Musik which surprised me but worked well. Crowd loved it all.

assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 25 February 2024 12:51 (one month ago) link

ach, Negativland, I meant

assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 25 February 2024 18:04 (one month ago) link

that sounds awesome, hope someone recorded it

frogbs, Sunday, 25 February 2024 18:04 (one month ago) link

was meant to see them earlier this month but got ill :(

nxd, Sunday, 25 February 2024 19:06 (one month ago) link

this is great:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ksmzvVT6ko

Reeves Gabrels' Funko Pop (majorairbro), Monday, 26 February 2024 03:25 (one month ago) link


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