New York City is for sellouts

I got to indulge
all my 'welcome back kotter'
fantasies therein

made a lot of friends
saw a lot of famous folks
"dude! it's eric b.!"

then I moved to Chi.
never looked back, even once.
now I miss them both.

Speaking of NYC, I'll be in town from the 25-31st while I'm temporarily homeless. Looks like I'll be moving in December (or May at the very latest, depending on my job situation).

That would make me a sellout for staying longer, and I'm a sellout for moving. Hells yeah!

(xpost I understand what you were getting at, though I kind of like that the champagne room is now my hometown)

Tracer, can you email me? I forget yr real addy.

Yanc3y you have email... Kyle, you will have some shortly!

Re: MC Bar... Yeah! There's a big Camilo painting of this girl that's dating my friend and all sorts of dumb crap on the walls like "Woodward Avenue" signs. The bartenders were incompetent and it generally sucked, other than for the amusement factor.

There's this place called the West Coast...

More seriously, I have always enjoyed visiting NYC. I would never EVER want to live there. All it takes are a few humid days or a few winter days to remind me why, the rest of y'all are welcome to it.

NA's initial point about the mediacentric nature of the celebration of the spot is well taken, though. World exists beyond the Hudson River shockah! I'd love to see Woody Allen figure out what the hell to do with himself in Missoula.

The West Coast sucks ass, there are like 4 good things about it.

Of course! Me, Noise Noise Noise, Mexican food and all my friends and family. Hurrah!

We are so not cool. It's like, you decide to move to New York and struggle and be poor as crap and that's supposed to suddenly make you one of them.

*bows* You must excuse me. This is more a matter of regional differences than schism (as opposed to talking about Mexican food in those states -- and the country itself -- versus anywhere else in the world, but we've been there).

Why move to NYC and not anywhere else in the world? Is there anything left that's special or unique about NYC that doesn't exist in any other large US city?

Really there's probably nothing more hipster than moving to Brooklyn these days other than doing so while wearing a trucker hat.

When Paul's Boutqiue came out I was fourteen and had it set in my mind then that I *had* to live in NYC. I did move there ten years later but was back in TX in less than two. It was something I had to do, for my own reasons. I'm glad I did but it's not a place I wanted to stay.

Part of me would still love to live in SF b/c I just think it's a fantastic city. But moving is a pain in the ass and any move away from TX would just be temporary for me so why bother?

although i would be interested in the OC. I have never seen california.

1) Laziness (I'm originally from here)
2) School
3) Innate hatred of the type of people who come on a thread about NYC and then proceed to big up Worchester and LA.

this line is bending my brain

Yeah, this is kind of my point.

xp i think i just wasn't made to be in that close proximity to that many strangers every day. which is a shitty thing to say, but i think it's true.

obviously weekends in williamsburg, greenpoint and fort greene (my haunts) are great. but even then, i sometimes wish i just lived somewhere more anonymous.

if i could work in brooklyn i think i would be happier. something about subway commuting just feels like i am descending into hell every morning.

You should move to Queens. I felt a lot more relaxed after a decade in williamsburg, even though I was living in a really lowkey area anyway. Some Canadian who had just moved to williamsburg once told me that he loved the L Train because it was like a cocktail party. The trains are terrible.

I worked in Brooklyn a couple of times. For 2-3 years I could walk to work easily. It was soooo amazingly great to never have real need to go into the city.

that's a good tip. yeah, maybe i should just prioritize "working in brooklyn" when i look for new jobs. it seems strange but it might make a huge difference. it truly is manhattan that i dislike--it feels like a giant mall, but like one where they locked the doors at night on black friday so everyone is trapped inside.

I don't even know what you do but quitting jobs is one of my passions.

yerac someday i would like to see a list of all the places you've lived

definitely feeling the nyc tiresomeness lately

Technically my place of residence has been in nyc since the early 2000s.

nyc is for BUYERS

I am outta time here

treesh otm new york sucks

and a lot of my recurring anxieties here are commuting on the subway-related too

morbs, are you really leaving?

The subway is so brittle. I was working last fall for a couple of months with a terrible commute and it distinctly would change once some event like the start of school or a cold snap happened. I would leave almost 45 minutes ahead of time so I could just read and not stress.

NYC sucks for sure. I lived in Brooklyn for a while 25+ years ago and it sucked then. I’m happy as hell living in Jersey and only going into NYC once or twice a month (tonight being one of those times).

Yerac I am literally 3-4 months from running out of money, at which point I will either move into my friend's basement, start living on credit, or go to my sister's in CT.

yeah but is it a new kind of suck, it the old, classic hectic/stressful/loud/lonely kind of suck. did it suck less, say, in the 90s?

(first 'it' should be 'or', sorry)

Some things were bad in the '90s, but you could live here alone if you weren't an investment banker.

The primary new drawbacks (aside from nearly every bar/institution/eatery I liked in 1995 being gone) are the deterioration of mass transit and millions of phone-staring morons impeding my walking.

The cinema choices are better than ever, however.

don't live on credit. It will will be even more impossible after. Take the kindness of friends or your sister.

xpost i just found after the fact that enid's closed. I didn't completely love it but now it makes sense why people have been talking about that camel for the last couple of weeks.

The phone staring morons are everywhere.

but it matters more when the byways are mobbed.

I would die of boredom in CT inside a year.

i remember elvis telecom, some years ago, remarking on how there was less jaywalking in nyc than he'd remembered. but it was Because of the Phones

I’m happy as hell living in Jersey

xpost Nothing is permanent. Live in CT for 3 months, 6 months, 2 years. Regroup, get well. It will be a blip after it's over.

it's hard for me to square my concern for morbs with my desire for him to learn how to drive

Full disclosure: i was lookin to leave this year but i started seeing someone who is incredible. That’s the only reason I’m sticking around for now.

Maybe if I took a job in a less trend-driven industry i wouldn’t feel as aggressively “in new york” as i do now and i could kinda relax about it. There is a sense in which nyc feels like the center of the action, and some people really thrive on that, but i haaaaaaaaaaate that aspect. I just want to be.

However, the universe conspired to bring me here, as it didnyears ago to bring me to ilx, and i’ve met amazing people in nyc and learned a lot of (sometimes painful) lessons and maybe i should just trust

morbs' birthday is coming up

let us fap

it's a lose-lose

I have been maladapted to New England for 14 years now, I still feel most at home and most comfortable in nyc and try to get down as often as possible, as I will next weekend, but I know I could probably no longer endure the kind of loneliness-in-a-crowd that it can impose when living there

how there was less jaywalking in nyc than he'd remembered. but it was Because of the Phones

I wish they'd keep jaywalking, it would cull the herd.

mook if I learned to drive someone would die really quickly.

my birthday falls on Easter Sunday this year, and it's amazing how many of my heathen NY friends are leaving town to eat ham or whatever

i lived in indiana for a decade, depression is much deadlier than boredom

i can also personally attest that it's possible to be a very bad driver for a very long time and not kill anybody

it's been a long time since i've been to nyc, but i've felt that loneliness-in-a-crowd thing everywhere i've lived!

Morbs I had forgotten this! Me

Me too! 4/21

i will put in a vote for non-hipster brooklyn. i get the cemetery and prospect park and some old neighborhood shit and no bars. it's nice.
morbs, you share a birthday with bridget everett!
i would do an ilx hang; it's been a very long time.

https://brooklyneagle.com/articles/2019/07/18/have-you-seen-this-pedestrian-terror

glad i lost my hair or i might've been pulled in for questioning