Do we have a PAZZ AND JOB 2009 thread yet?

almost weird how trendy it's become for "other music" types to hate on Grizz, seems unfounded. They lost their "cool", I guess the XX and DP have it now?

i think grizzly bear probably sold well at other music

@waka shame, oh I meant people that WORK there, not the shoppers! The shoppers are just NYU students. It's the bros that work there that are "part time critic" "part time musician" "part time music store clerk" etc....

DJ's at Daddy's once a week. Freelances for the Voice, does a review for Spin or EW to "make extra cash" etc etc

Those types.

Is the "problem" with Grizzly Bear that they're kind of like an equiv. of Wilco now?

They seem like the one band in the GAPDY list which are totally US indie qua indie (and more so now than previously).

Whereas I think it's easier to say e.g. "I like Phoenix because they're a fab pop band, not because I'm totally into all that indie stuff" - and then other variations on this for the other bands.

honestly has anyone really listened to da grizz? Seriously, Daniel Rossen's guitar work and chords are far more adventurous than Wilco. They may now appear to be the "next wilco" which means many will declare them as "boring americana" but honestly, me thinks they are so much more

ps. I also think there's a lot of people on here that dislike bands like Grizzly Bear primarily because they 1: don't like their bio/look 2: don't like their fans or people they perceive to be their fans and 3: they like to be contrary and say Brad Paisley is amazing.

I mean that they're the equivalent of Wilco in the sense of how they fit in discursively - not referring to their strict sound, which is usually one of the less important things in issue when people decide not to check something out.

I'm pretty sure I'm not alone on ILX in terms of rather liking Yellow House but then finding it difficult to motivate myself to listen to the new one.

people on here that dislike bands like Grizzly Bear primarily because...they like to be contrary and say Brad Paisley is amazing

Or, why contrarians have more fun, volume 4,276. Not that I like Paisely beyond a couple singles, but I've had more fun trying to get into him than trying to get into Grizzly Bear.

"I'm pretty sure I'm not alone on ILX in terms of rather liking Yellow House but then finding it difficult to motivate myself to listen to the new one."

this is me! i loved yellow house. so did lots of people on ilm. there are raves galore about it here. but, yeah, didn't go out of my way to hear the new album. i'm sure its fine.

do any rock critics work at Other Music? and write for EW? i want names.

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Is the "problem" with Grizzly Bear that

Grizzly Bear brings out the red state asshole in me. I want to beat them up and take their lunch money and then go listen to Skynyrd or AC/DC and maybe even vote republican. Well not the republican part but you understand...

I like neither Brad Paisley nor Grizzly Bear. (I live in a place where the dreadful C&W stuff some of you have taken to fetishizing is as ubiquitous and unavoidable as indie music is in the worlds some of you seem to inhabit and loathe.) "Grizzly Bear brings out the red state asshole in me" is a bracing and honest admission, but not a very persuasive argument.

People who regard anyone who likes, say, contemporary country (or anything, really) as big fake fronting fetishists come off like douchebags, imo. Take people at face value that they like what they say they like.

(Actually, I don't know that it's an honest admission, do I? But I assume it is.)

xp to myself

Are you kidding? Regarding anyone who likes GAPDY as a big fake fronting indie fetishist is an ILM raison d'etre.

lol wtf does that even mean?

m.v., shut up

I really don't think the typical knock here against insular indie rock listening habits is that it's all an elaborate put-on and nobody actually likes that stuff, but if you can find some posts that put forward that sentiment, I'd love to see them.

The perils of living in a red state.

http://blogs.channelnewsasia.com/suzanne-jung/files/2008/11/obama2004.jpg

"We got friends in red states who dig Grizzly Bear, we got friends in blue ones who love Brad Paisley. Over there's my friend Chuck Eddy, the embodiment of what it means to be truly purple."

"Fetishizing" GAPDY vs "Fetishizing" Brad Paisley

fetish - 12 definitions - 1. An object thought to have magical, especially magically sexual, powers

mmmm then I could definitely fetishize Brad Paisley.

haw!

Seriously, I'm tired of people using red-vs-blue state bullshit to explain why people like a band.

plus, grizzly bear's yellow house is in massachusetts where they elect republican male models.

"i'm scott brown and i approve of the hairy bears. i mean grizzly bear!"

http://thepoliticalclass.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b6e9e8970b0120a791e534970b-pi

Seriously, I'm tired of people using red-vs-blue state bullshit

Oh man, I was gonna say LOL about your Obama purple state thing until I realized you're sick of bullshitters like me.

Removing the red state joke from it, Grizzly Bear are too wimpy and respectable for me. I'm sure plenty of smart people like them and they're great at what they do, but for me personally, it's barf city bro.

would people who like those records really choose not to vote for them because of ILX stigma? if so that's pretty fucked up.

― some dude, Sunday, 24 January 2010 00:43 (18 hours ago)

my ballot was probably somewhat influenced by this. not that i'm shy to vote for them because of people hating on them, but more that even though i love GADY a lot (not huge on P) i voted largely for albums that i was exposed to through ilm this year, and not so much other places. i think a lot of people who post as little as i do still vote in the poll, and i do feel a certain responsibility not to obscure the results away from being representative of the albums that were actually a big deal here. it would be kind of lame if dozens of lurkers all voted GAPDY and then those ended up all being top ten, since they're not all necessarily albums that were widely loved by the actively posting crowd. i still voted dirty projectors, and nominated a few albums that i'm sure no one else voted for, but there was definitely an element of strategy to my ballot.

kornrulez supports one of my claims that people on here dont' like it for my reason #1, they don't like the bio or how they look. Wimpy is an obnoxious reason to hate a band, but it's still a reason.

Also, the "I loved yellow house" but couldn't motivate to listen to the new one is strange to me. Not sure I follow, if You love an album wouldnt' you want to check out the latest one?
Knee jerk reaction to hype/exposure if you ask me. People on here are too self aware.

how they look.

If the hair's wrong, I am more skeptical, sure.

hey, less pop garbage than usual this year, huh? good work, kidz.

how many haven't you heard!?

tops is Mt Goats at #80!

pissed jeans?

saw em, didn't hear the record (ditto Grizzly Bear & YLT)

& godawful Wilco

kornrulez supports one of my claims ...they don't like the bio or how they look.

I'm sure their bio is dynamite stuff. And no doubt they're all handsome young lads. But in refute to your presumptuous (some would say bratty) assumption, I'm basing my opinion on how they sound.

I'm about a week late to this, but re: the relative size of Pfork to other sites/blogs: here are some approximate monthly stats for some of the more well-known sites:

(Audience/Pageviews)
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Pitchfork: 1,500,000 / 30,000,000
Hypem: 1,300,000 / 12,000,000
GVSB: 85,000 / 485,000
Fluxblog: 17,000 / 50,000
99.9% of remaining blogs: way lower

Stereogum keeps traffic data private, ditto for Brooklyn Vegan, but I estimate those at about:

Stereogum: 1,250,000 / 6,000,000
Brooklynvegan: 750,000 / 4,500,000

Catbird, where'd you get those numbers from?

http://www.thedailyswarm.com/headlines/pitchfork-editor-takes-public-forum-defend-its-greatness-i-think-you-underestimate-how-much-bigger-we-are/

wtf

Music critics Chuck Eddy, Christopher Weingarten, Maura Johnson, Scott Seward, Ned Raggett and others offered their assessments of the poll

...I did?

Go nuts.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:41 PM

^^

Now the whole internet knows how much Ned loves polls!

Thrills.

@ekaloudis, a combination of Quantcast data and cross-referencing/relative size data from other public data sources (Compete, et. al.)

P&J parallel: 2009 vs 1990

The-Dream = Guy

Maxwell = Neville Bros

not sure what you mean by "parallel". the-dream and max did considerably better in 2009 than those two in 1990, and the Nevilles had a top 5 p'n'j album the year before.

just that they filled v similar niches

i guess, though the neville brothers were far more of a critics band, with little to no pop/r&b chart action