Do we have a PAZZ AND JOB 2009 thread yet?

theres a thread about this

lol. Nevermind. I see the thread spin-off has this covered.

For another what-if, here's a non-GAPDY chart retabulating without anybody who voted for G, A, P, D or Y. Yet another way of seeing that there are definite clusters of taste, whatever you want to call them: maybe indie, oldie, hard and smooth...

holy hell Glenn, I could lose HOURS on that stats site

i love how Mastodon, converge and baroness all beat the xx. Take that hipsters!

^^^hipster metal all.^^^

wow what a coup for hipster metal

But when confronted with a piece which does exactly that, you switch the terms of debate.

yes and no. i mean, i gave the powell piece partial credit -- it at least tries to connect the band to other things in the culture. but limiting the terms of discussion to himself and how he and his dad react differently and how "isn't this all about growing up" and so on still to me seems plagued with exactly the kind of insularity that afflicts an awful lot of writing about indie by indie fans for indie fans. on the music writing thread i was a defender of first-person writing having at least a legitimate place in criticism, but that whole lead-in to the animal collective essay seems like the kind of first-person stuff that people were objecting to on that thread. solipsism taking the place of insight. so i guess to be clearer, i'm not just interested in whether 20something paralegals in omaha like animal collective, but, you know ... why. why this music, why now. there's actually an interesting line in a current pitchfork review of the 'campfire songs' reissue:

The music also illustrates the drift away from masculine beats and toward sensual waves that has been indie music's prevailing current in recent years, as rock influences have lost ground.

... which is a good observation, but it doesn't really connect it to things deeper in the AC/indie ethos, it just sort of observes that it's going on. i guess what i value about good cultural criticism is that it can make connections and reveal things going on in the culture, well beyond the boundaries of whatever song or book or movie happens to be under consideration. you can of course also take that too far, parsing every beyoncé song for what it says about bank bailouts, but in general i think popular criticism tends to not examine enough what's going on in the substrata. so, i mean, if you're going to write about animal collective being the "album of the year," you know, that could/should say something about the year, or the decade, or the subculture that produced, or whatever. i like that powell's dad didn't like all the reverb (me either), but ... why does it sound that way? what does that sound mean?

can we talk about frontrunners for Pazz and Jop 2010 here?

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/sports/prince-reveals-song-for-vikings-saints-game

okay wtf

did he jack a melody from the lutheran hymn book?

all this "why doesn't Pitchfork cover ___?!" handwringing reminds me of the identity politics of the 90s where people (incl. me) would complain about corporate media and its blinders and how there were no [insert minority/niche figures] on TV or in Rolling Stone or whatever. Except now its backwards and you people are complaining about how the little "indie" doesn't cover "mainstream" stuff. oh teh lolz

like, eagerly awaiting Brad Paisley appearing on Pitchfork TV in an "indie websites STILL suck" t-shirt

TABLES...TURNED

I didn't ask why, and I wasn't handwringing or demanding change, for the record.

but, y'know, thanks for playing, shakey reading comprehension collier

not really referring to you but thx for taking it personally some dude

THIS WHOLE COURT IS OUT OF ORDER!

*shits in a bag*

*lights it on fire*

*reviews bag of fire*

*give it a 4.3*

*eats some Häagen-Dazs*

lol

"That bag of fire so deserved the monkey pissing in its own mouth. I mean, c'mon."

yeah, i liked his early shits-in-a-bag-and-sets-it-on-fire antics sooooo much better. you know, like, back when he was still "cutting edge," man.

"I've got a few of his early ziplocs that were just outstanding, but the full bag loses some of that charm."

*reissues early flaming bags of shit on 180 gram vinyl*

*reviews reissue in the form of a short story involving two young hipsters having sex and eating ice cream in an American Apparel changing room*

*wooooooooooooooaaaaaah MY BAG IS ON FIREEEEEE*

*blogs that the review is third-rate Tao Lin*

*reissues early flaming bags of shit on 180 gram vinyl*

Brown vinyl, splatter finish.

*breaks up for 15 years*

*reunites to shit in a bag in its entirety at all tomorrow's parties*

*tweets about shit*

the non GAPDY chart is
1. old ppl voting for old ppl records, and
2. young people voting for rap, metal and actually progressive music

ie, what pazz and jop should be about. thanks glenn

why cant old people vote for non old people music?

they just don't understand progressive music

Yes they do.

no they don't, didn't you read whiney's post

you dumb dicks

all i;m just saying i assume it's not the twitterati making the roseanne cash record and allan toussaint records so high. sorry my pitch post wasnt all inclusive

just wait for the reformed ELP album to hit the top 10 in the 2010 poll. So be careful for what you wish for! (Hint never let LJ vote)

twitterati

stop it

rofl

no they don't, didn't you read whiney's post

― iatee

I was trying to make a joke. About Yes. The progressive rock band. Loved by old people.

complicated joke

...and LJ.

xp d'oh!

Yes.

xpost to tipsy ok different strokes, then. But at this point, I'd say that any insular writing on Merriweather Post Pavilion is justified given the backlash. The poll winner has now become a cocoon in which to hide from all the haters. :)

Rolling pazz & jop poll 2009 no haters!

actually i like the idea of mpp as a cocoon. that says more about it than most things i've read. i'm just not sure there's a butterfly at the other end...

there's poop at the other end IMO

what a tragedy for butterflies

doesn't everyone get this upset every year?