look at the entry for jan 8th
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 11 January 2003 21:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 11 January 2003 23:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
OTM, except for the condescending tone.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 12 January 2003 13:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 12 January 2003 15:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
i like that my can has completely rusted!!
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 12 January 2003 17:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
levene's name is also spelt as 'leven'.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 12 January 2003 21:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
also i always thought the albatross they were getting rid of was the notion of lydon as pop star/spokesman/punk prophet/working class hero (nad that was why Wobble sang it)
― gaz (gaz), Sunday, 12 January 2003 21:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
― robertw, Monday, 13 January 2003 15:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 13 January 2003 15:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 13 January 2003 15:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 13 January 2003 15:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 13 January 2003 15:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 13 January 2003 15:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
ah!
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 13 January 2003 15:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 13 January 2003 15:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 13 January 2003 16:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― rexJr., Wednesday, 14 May 2003 22:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 10 July 2006 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― Harpal (harpal), Monday, 10 July 2006 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 10 July 2006 22:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― Igor Adkins (Grodd), Monday, 10 July 2006 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 00:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 01:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ice Cream Electric (Ice Cream Electric), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 02:13 (seventeen years ago) link
Not sure I'd shell out 40 bucks for that 3LP reissue, but does the CD Metal Box reissue (in the metal case) sound way better that the Second Edition CD? If so, I might go for that.
― Marmot 4-Tay: You are beautiful, and you are alone. (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 02:56 (seventeen years ago) link
Other: I thought Pash hated this, now I find he love(d) it. I'm confused.
More other: During an interview at the time, John mentioned that there were loads of tracks dropped, and a bunch of 'between track' snippety bits also unused. Hey, I'd like the long version. This being the first album I bought with wages.
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 06:38 (seventeen years ago) link
(Thankyou, but I think it's supposed to be Wobble's voice on Albatross or something)
actually for a while I thought Lydon sang on 'albatross' but in fact its Wobble's vocals (he does a good impression of Lydon, of course). Lydon comes in at the end of albatross with the 'Only the Lonely' bit.
Not true then, mark?
― Marmot 4-Tay: You are beautiful, and you are alone. (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 06:56 (seventeen years ago) link
1) The first time I even heared that rumour2) It's so John singing, it's silly.
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 08:11 (seventeen years ago) link
I can't find a source for this rumor either, on Google at least. Ben? Julio? Gaz?
― Marmot 4-Tay: You are beautiful, and you are alone. (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 08:45 (seventeen years ago) link
I read what I posted above, and it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, in retrospect. I think I think the album itself is ok, if somewhat lacking compared w/the 1st, but it's a terrible terrible "influence" record?
I'd buy another copy to listen to, but I can't get motivated, TBH.
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 09:36 (seventeen years ago) link
More other: Jim Walker mentioned in an interview that there's also addtional material for First Edition. He talks about a track called. "You Stupid Person" that supposedly was to be the second single. According to him it has "one of Levene's most blistering guitar lines." In Walker's opinion many of the discarded tracks like "You Stupid Person" are much better than what was included on the first album. If these exist I want to hear them too.
― Ice Cream Electric (Ice Cream Electric), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 09:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 09:39 (seventeen years ago) link
It doesn't even sound like Wobble, anyway.
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 10:27 (seventeen years ago) link
Reading this thread is depressing me - are y'all just flexing your anti-canon muscles? "Albatross" is one of the greatest lead-off songs evah. It has the otherworldy quality of an alien consciousness made flesh, simultaneously spacious and claustrophobic, sensuous and stringent. As a statement of purpose or level-setting of expectations it can't be beat.
Being able to find Second Edition in almost any record store in America during the 80s was a hope beacon for the disaffected drowning in a sea of spandex and glitter. And it still sounds as peculiar as it did then. People can brand Metal Box an arthouse joke, but there's a rigorous approach driving the music.
Compare it with The Flowers of Romance (which I prefer as an album overall) - they won't be mistaken for each other, and each coalesces into a singular statement. If you took any track from one and put it on the other, it would stand out as dissimilar. They aren't some random collections of sound farted out in the studio.
Certainly Lydon et al were pricks to everyone they met who wasn't stuffing blow up their noses at the time, but the same could be said of musicians from Miles Davis to the Beastie Boys. At least PiL pushed the enfant terrible schtick to the max, and made great theatre out of it - the American Bandstand appearance and the riot at The Ritz being prime examples. It's the lack of such chutzpah that reveals most current indie fux0r bands to be mere fashion victim cutouts, shadows of rebellion, when they reach the national stage.
― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 13:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 13:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 13:48 (seventeen years ago) link
(My EDITOR ought to be doing this sort of thing...)
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 13:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 13:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alicia Fucking Silverstone (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― mei (mei), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (soto.alfre...), July 11th, 2006.
All due respect to you and Dan, but saying "that guy can't sing!" and "how tedious!" are two of the least interesting observations to be made about Metal Box and The Flowers of Romance. The latter is one of the most out-there breakup albums ever recorded.
― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=6F0D4EDC2718739D
― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ice Cream Electric (Ice Cream Electric), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 01:46 (seventeen years ago) link
Marcello, perhaps while he's cleaning up the "Albatross" paragraph, you can get him to help you with an entry on Edward III's theory that Flowers of Romance is the most out there break up album in history. I'd be extremely interested in reading that.
Still, I'm w/ Mark: "Albatross" doesn't sound a thing like Mr. John Wardle.
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 02:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 05:55 (seventeen years ago) link
My first copy of "Commercial Zone" was a cassette, and this started with the instrumental "The Slab" as side one, so with that you have one long wait (until track three) with totally unfamiliar PIL music, ten minutes in and you could convince yourself there'd been a mistake.
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 06:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 06:52 (seventeen years ago) link
Why?
― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 10:22 (seventeen years ago) link