2001: A Space Odyssey

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I do remember reading in Michael Caine's autobio some story about Kubrick borrowing records from the public library until he found that Zarathustra thing.

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Tarkovsky's criticism of 2001 - that it ridiculously overdramatized
things that would be trivial in that time. ie: too much of a time-traveler's
perspective in it.
As for Dune... it would have been fucking INCREDIBLE if the original plan
to have Jodorowsky direct had panned out.

― shieldforyoureyes, Friday, 2 December 2005 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Any opinions on the discarded Alex North score that Kubrick dumped for the Strausses? I know it came out.

i still haven't heard it, but i'd like to. anybody got a copy?

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

lol @ tarkovsky, u cd say the same thing about 'andrei rublev'.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

U cd, but u'd b wrong.

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

er, how? tarko just doesn't like drama anyway, is his problem.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Tarkovsky was like the impressionists - you'd never guess that he thought
he was being an ultra-realist.

― shieldforyoureyes, Friday, 2 December 2005 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link

i still haven't heard it, but i'd like to. anybody got a copy?

Yes! But, it's packed away along with 2000 other CDs (DYS?) awaiting this mythical house move.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Jodorowsky on Dune and David Lynch on Return of the Jedi would have made '83-'84 a different time.

― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, Captain Obvious. It would.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Just me or is ILX pretty damn cranky lately?

― Frogm@n Henry, Friday, 2 December 2005 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

sergei eisenstein on 'paris, texas' and ingmar bergman on 'beverley hills cop' would have made '83-'84 a different time.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

goddammit Ally, i got promoted past captain sometime last year. get with the times, mang.

― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Tarkovsky's criticism of 2001 - that it ridiculously overdramatized
things that would be trivial in that time. ie: too much of a time-traveler's
perspective in it.

That's kinda the point (or one of them) -- the characters are all caught up in being concerned with their phones and their zero-g toilets and their Hilton lounge meetings and their turkey sandwiches that they can't be bothered to spare a moment to be amazed by the fact that they LIVE IN OUTER SPACE. None of the 21st-century humans in the movie have learned yet to look beyond their mundane tools and machines to something transcendent, and when they do find something amazing -- the Tycho monolith -- they line up to take touristy pictures in front of it.

― phil d. (Phil D.), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Enrique, how does Solaris fit in your scheme?

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

what phil d. said. Maybe if Tarkovsky ever had MGM footing the bill he'd have grokked it.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh come on. They're doing exactly what the aliens who left TMA-1 expected -
they're progressing technically and scientificly, and when they reach the
moon and start to study it, they find TMA-1 and dig it up to see what
it is. They're not excited about "being in SPACE" because that simply
isn't exciting. Unless of course, you're shooting your film from a
dawn-of-the-space-race perspective. Everything's exciting if you're primitive enough.
Sadly, when Tarkovsky got good funding, he produced garbage (Sacrafice).

― shieldforyoureyes, Friday, 2 December 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

For excitement in space, see the zero-gee Van Halen dancing in the otherwise unmemorable Mission to Mars.

― k/l (Ken L), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

oh its memorable, just not in the way intended

― latebloomer: The Corridor (Yes, The Corridor) (latebloomer), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Enrique, how does Solaris fit in your scheme?
-- k/l (lauter...), December 2nd, 2005.

i liked it!

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

2001 >> Dune >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Solaris

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

altho I gotta say the Jodorowsky Dune version (incl. designs by Giger and Dali as the Emperor) sounds and looks like the greatest movie never made.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 December 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

HI DAVE

― JW (ex machina), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link

dude solaris is good! but then again you gave me your copy, so i guess it makes sense that you don't care for it.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Aside from the stupid Twilight Zone ending Tarkovsky added, the original
Solaris was great. It maintained a reasonable amount of the book's focus
on the scientific community surrounding Solaris.

― shieldforyoureyes, Friday, 2 December 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I like all 3 Solarises fine (Lem > Tark > Soderbergh), The Sacrifice too.

Just remembered this recent news about the jettisoned prologue:

http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/film/news/article321643.ece

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

the book is better than the movie, tho.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

They're doing exactly what the aliens who left TMA-1 expected -
they're progressing technically and scientificly,

But not ethically, or metaphysically.

x-post I always liked that Tarkovsky moved the material w/Berton up front rather than revealing it in the middle.

― phil d. (Phil D.), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I found Tarkovsky because I was a Lem fanatic, so for a long time I considered
Solaris -> Solaris the greatest sci-fi novel & movie ever. Once I finally
saw Tarkovsky's other films, I discovered that the Roadside Picnic ->
Stalker combo blows away the Solarises.
The Sacrifice is beautiful, but I don't like the plot or any of the
characters. I rank it his weakest, even below his senior project in film
school.

― shieldforyoureyes, Friday, 2 December 2005 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

h are you referring to Clarke or Lem re:book being better...? (I've never read 2001, big Lem fan tho)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

lem book is better. clarke's 2001 is really good too but different from the movie (they go to saturn instead).

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

it's unrecognizable!!

j/k. i like the book a lot.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Clarke's book is technically a 'novelization' he completed during the film's 2 years of postproduction. The source short story "The Sentinel" ends with the moon's monolith signal going off and humanity ... waiting. (Similar to how Kubrick later used a Brian Aldiss story as the kernel for A.I.)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

HAL is very well done. In the book it's mentioned that he's neural-net-based,
which was a very radical thing to say in the late 60s, but dead-on.
One of the later Cray supercomputers had boards that would be ejected
at the push of a button. I wonder if that was inspired by HAL...

― shieldforyoureyes, Friday, 2 December 2005 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

i remember in the intro to the book clarke (perhaps to deflect criticism of the book as merely a novelization) claimed that it was written simultaneously with the script, and thus was somewhat of a different creature: half source text, half novelization.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Clarke's book is technically a 'novelization' he completed during the film's 2 years of postproduction

xpost- yeah i've never really known the whole chronology, tho i think he explains it in the introduction. but the thing is, if the shooting was finished, he prolly would've written them as going to jupiter instead, but what do i know?

HAL is very well done. In the book it's mentioned that he's neural-net-based,
which was a very radical thing to say in the late 60s, but dead-on.

well clarke was pretty hot on anticipating new technologies.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

he practically invented a bunch of them (see: geosynchronous satellites)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link

i think he had something to do with radar, too.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

the 12 year-old me probably knows a lot more about all the cool stuff clarke did, tho. i forget everything.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

i was a big clarke nut too.
i remember the 2001 book having WAY more detail about bowman's time in the white room - eating blue food products, etc.

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah!! that's totally coming back to me!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Me too! Clarke pwned George Carlin!

Alas, the Pan Am logo on the Floyd craft always gets a laugh now.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Pan Am is good for a laugh in like 1700 different movies! It's the only airline that existed according to the movie industry!

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 2 December 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

okay, i'm finally back at my desk now,

sergei eisenstein on 'paris, texas' and ingmar bergman on 'beverley hills cop' would have made '83-'84 a different time.

the reason why i used the two examples i did(even if i did overstate the "different time" bit) was not to grab two random examples out of the air, but that Jodorowsky and Lynch where the original directors of those two flicks. there was even plenty of design work that went into Dune with Jodorowsky at the helm(as mentioned upthread). And that both versions differently wildly from their initial planning(Ewoks were added, Dali was removed, etc).

Of course, Jodorowsky probably wouldn't have had the wizard of oz references or jack nance in the final version, etc

in terms of just grabbing wildly different directors and inappropiate film choices: i'd pay good money for
-Roman Polanski's "Disorderlies"
-John Woo's "Out of Africa"(or even "The Natural")

now, in regards to the current convo, what was the name of the phone company used in 2001? was it Bell?

― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Bell, yeah.

2001 Supernerd Final Jeopardy: What's the first line of dialogue? (I can only guess)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:38 (eighteen years ago) link

MONKEY: "Ai ai ai ai, grrrrr, ai ai ai!" ?

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 2 December 2005 19:03 (eighteen years ago) link

My stab wd be "Welcome to Clavius."

And the last line? Floyd on tape [sic]: "[blah blah monolith], its origin...unknown"?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 19:09 (eighteen years ago) link

he was greeted by some dude before going through the customs/ID thing... don't think they mentioned Clavius... "hello doctor floyd" maybe?

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Friday, 2 December 2005 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, we watched "bullitt" last night over at jon williams' apartment and lo and behold, the bad guy gets on a pan am flight to rome.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 December 2005 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link

That does lack the predictive i-ron-ee gap of operating moon shuttles / going bellyup, tho.

Bullitt not haf toomuch dialog for Noisedik to grow rezless?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link

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