I HATE CLUBBING

FWIW I am a slightly bemulleted lower middle class suburbanite so please take the above comment with heaps of salt.

The behaviour in question is *not* "living in the suburbs" which is the mistaken connotation due to the derivation of the term. The behaviour in question is common or gardern wankerhood which all of you would recognise as wankerhood.

Enrique - maybe the 'suburbs' will end up connoting working class when there is *no more* affordable housing in central London. There's something heartwarming that the areas my parents grew up in are now considered desirable; less heart-warming that they almost definitely couldn't afford to live in them anymore (but so is life).

i think this is the implication i'm referring to. that being poncey is seen as a bad thing? why is it?

this reminds me of being back in yorkshire

Bollocks -- anyway, how do you make out that inner-city residents are better-behaved than the B&T lot? I don't see it.

My last post was a bit confused, but basically I was refuting the idea that by calling out the idea of the B&T as snobbish I was not being inversely-snobbish towards all you excitingly-coiffed Zone 1 and 2ers.

Is using the term "Tory" to describe Conservatives offensive to the Irish because it originated in Ireland?

"Bridge and Tunnel" was once an origin, it is now a behaviour.

(The funny thing is, in my experience, actual born and bred city dwellers do tend to be a lot more respectful of each other on a certain level because they understand that's what it's necessary to do to live packed in so closely. But this is my personal experience, not a generalisation.)

I understand what Gareth is trying to say, maybe because it's the same people always making the same arguments, and dragging class in during every single argument.

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Kate, I kinda see what you mean, but 'B&T' suggests disapproval of the object it relates to on snobbish grounds: like 'prole', in certain contexts I don't like it.

I would like to see some more photoshoppery, though.

Can you fix it for me to be photoshopped into a picture waving my thumbs at Gareth and Kate for blowing up the Luton Arndale centre?

Chzthxbye!

I mean, goddamit. Is the sensation of snobbery really so irresistible to you? Are you not aware that your tedious posts on classism, etc, read like someone vomiting after having a copy of the Daily Mail shoved down their throats? Are you really so addicted to empty, blustering rhetoric??
-- stevie (looselippedstevi...), June 11th, 2004. (stevie) (later)

Hunt him down and tar him and feather him like the scurvy peasant he is, I'll have his head hanging on a pole above my moat as a lesson to the rest of ye!

Trucker Hats C/D?

How ironic is your hair? Very/Kinda/Not at all

What is the most unacceptable thing to come out of your anus? Horrible poo/Pins/28ft Yacht

The enneagram can then slot people into different Ilxor categories including Arndale Arsonist, Bridge & Tunneler, Asshat etc.

Ironic haircuts deserve a "search and destroy" thread. It's no fun just mentioning them like this, they need to be attacked with extreme prejudice.

OTM -- I usually end up seeming anti-hipsterish and midtown, but not because of any active hatred but because teh hipsterz quite often bring out their own anti-B&T material first -- and I react against that. You can't map class on to *this* discussion since the B&T are just as middle-class as the ironic-haircuts brigade. Shit, they may even *have* ironic hair. Both breeds are slightly chimerical, as I think we all realize.

Any bloke who hasn't done this and enjoyed it at least once is either lying, or a goth.