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drake's gonna go quiet for a few months, drop a huge single, and do over 400k imo

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:05 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is possible but not at all a sure thing
& also, i am so tired of hearing critics talk about dude. this ass kiss-ery is embarrassing

i can see why people like him-- part of it is being wrapped up in the nyc media bubble, but a part of the reason is that he triangulates wayne & kanye & jay and none of those guys are really at their height right now. it's safe to say that for pop-heavy rap music-- world conquering rap music-- there is a dearth in terms of creativity and i think there are a lot of people who are just ready to latch on to anything, be it drake or "empire state of mind". i don't understand why uncle murder & jay electronica stanning nah right readers dig him, but that's whole different apple (GET IT?)

it's safe to say that for pop-heavy rap music-- world conquering rap music-- there is a dearth in terms of creativity and i think there are a lot of people who are just ready to latch on to anything

i think this obv also accounts for the uptick in gucci mane's critical profile in the sort of circles we're talking about here

honestly i think drake's uptick in critical profile is more related to the fact that there hasnt been much of an uptick in gucci's

ppl like drake as much for who he is NOT as for what he is

lmao

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That would be funny if Bol's ballot is just a joke, purposefully trying to guess consensus. Thinking those were actually his favorite albums of the year makes me sad.

he did have a hit single, its called 'wasted'

"Wasted" didn't really cross over though. Not in the way any of Drake's hits have. Hell, it didn't even get picked up by the hiphop/r&b stations in Portland or Seattle let alone the pop stations. As you say yourself, rap fans ain't buying albums.

lol @ noz listing a lil b mix that he put together on his ballot - i should've pulled a forks and put my #1 album as "Gucci Mane - 2009 Output as posted by somanyshrimp.com"

"Wasted" didn't really cross over though. Not in the way any of Drake's hits have. Hell, it didn't even get picked up by the hiphop/r&b stations in Portland or Seattle let alone the pop stations. As you say yourself, rap fans ain't buying albums.

― i'd look psychotic in a baklava (The Reverend), Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:43 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

nah it went top 40 & got play on pop stations here, but im not surprised other cities ignored it on pop stations that would play, like, jay-z singles. pop rap has never been a more embarrassing 'genre'

haha
to be fair those were cokeblunts exclusives

It went #36. That's not exactly inescapable.

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i've certainly never felt better about my hip hop listening policy of "new shit put out by washed up old 90s dudes, new shit by new dudes that sound like washed up old 90s dudes, and random semi-unknown regional rappers that i download off the ILX goon thread"

new shit put out by washed up old 90s dudes = raekwon, quik & kurupt, sean price

new shit by new dudes that sound like washed up old 90s dudes = freddie gibbs, royce, termanology, rhymefest

random semi-unknown regional rappers that i download off the ILX goon thread = j stalin, trae

The thing is, I don't think Quik was ever washed up. Kurupt, maybe. Maybe in a commercial sense, but he's been doing his thing for his entire career, pretty consistently.

nah i know, i mean just "washed up" like most ppl don't care anymore or forgot about them, like most normal type ppl

Fair play.

i would go ahead and bet twenny bucks that drake doesn't hit 400K on his first week. and i don't have a job, so

yeah let me get in on this too. what kind of odds will sarges give us

maybe i CAN pay rent this month

man, if he can get to 250K that would be a big deal

shipley needs to weigh on this

also i should be the one getting odds

400k is a bit much, but I think he could do 250 easy

he'll do 250 easily

meanwhile, whiney's rap albums hew closer to rock critic nerd critical consensus than anyone in the above 'list'

― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:57 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Calling me out for not sharing the opinions of a bunch of rap bloggers just makes you look retarded

um actually im calling you out for sharing very closely the opinions of a bunch of rap bloggers

what this should have made clear is that me, al, noz & j0rdan are not really anywhere close to the mainstream of 'rap bloggers'

the rock critic critical consensus of all the Playboy Tre, DJ Paul and Project Pat records i stumped for?

most 'rap bloggers' are more passion of the weiss or simple ny-centric pro-industry drake fans. based on your best albums of the 00s, your taste hews a lot closer to 99% of 'rap bloggers' than most other people here

what the fuck are you babbling about?

thats probably an exaggeration on my part, but its just frustrating that you cant just refer to us by name, that u disregard the actual aesthetic arguments we make by lumping us in with 'all those rap bloggers' who are apparently overhyping (say) gucci mane

Passion of the Weiss is repping for Zu and Miranda Lambert?

i dont mind if u disagree -- be like "yeah, this shit is not my thing" like m@tt or even forks. but trying to marginalize gucci as some blogger hype machine shit, when ground zero for basically 90% of the critic-discourse for talking about him was originating here, was, imo, a lame cop out

ground zero for basically 90% of the critic-discourse for talking about him was originating here,

you are on your own dick especially as of late

that's actually true though

yeah, that's basically equiv to al saying something about "a bunch of critics" repping for big krit when it was pretty much just deej, me, and kells, the latter two of which heard about it from the former, although gucci's critical base has expanded somewhat from just deej/sarge/noz

yeah now we have tom b. and that dude from cokemachineglow

so icey is an army, better yet the navy

i heard about big krit from young buck's twitter -- i may have said this already

dude is a tastemaker

fwiw: http://hiphopcritic.com/

^^^kinda thoroughly disproves whiney's argument

jesus christ that is fucking embarrassing

rennato: what was your ballot? it's giving me a 404

Jesus can deej and Whiney just have the gay sex, get it over with and stop ruining threads?

just to get off this beef...

here's a question for some reason popped in my head this AM...

given the current state of everything, and knowing what you know about the past...

could even the most rosy eyed yung G make any kind of rational argument that rap's best days are ahead of it and not behind it?

cuz i don't think you could.

like there will always be good stuff to dig on and shit, but i dunno...it seems like from a cultural level, economic level, internet level, there's just too much shit working against it now to really think the future could hold something that really felt huge or like a movement you know?

I dunno, I think if record sales become a pointless ambition, we could see a generation just trying to make music that is as dope as possible only for the sake of the music?

In my opinion I think the past five years will be seen as 'lol slim thug making a record called Already Platinum and only going gold.'

you guys are nuts, wtf is going in with this thread, i almost want the youtubes back

between 200k and 400k sounds about right for Drake to me, probably not over that, although it all depends on how the single does

whiney did a 00s list? where is it?

yeah, that's basically equiv to al saying something about "a bunch of critics" repping for big krit when it was pretty much just deej, me, and kells, the latter two of which heard about it from the former, although gucci's critical base has expanded somewhat from just deej/sarge/noz

― i'd look psychotic in a baklava (The Reverend), Wednesday, January 20, 2010 2:43 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i made this clear already but i used the word "crits" to describe you and deej instead of referring to y'all by name only to highlight the funniness of the name Big K.R.I.T.

Without picking a fight with you matt, i think prognosticating music trends/sales on anything but the most macro of levels seems to be a fool's game; all it takes is three arty types in a basement with a big idea being in the right place at the right time for everything to change.
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