Vampire Weekend; Arctic Monkeys of 2008?

neon design-y war shit

maybe "fuck you" is a little strong--a snide little wink at m.i.a.

is that an example of works being 'in dialogue' with each other

"fuck you" would be too down market

WASPs dont curse, except at the help

if they serve horchatas to contras.

I assumed that in the context of the song "contra" meant a kind of rebel-against-everything, someone who is consciously going about to contradict or oppose all of the received wisdoms they're surrounded by.

So the chorus accusation "I think you're a contra" is kind of saying "I think you're just doing this for its own sake and there's nothing deeper going on".

And then when he starts talking about wanting good schools etc. and says "you're not a contra" he means "in fact you weren't even doing that, not deep down. Ultimately you wanted everything that your parents wanted for you." The rock & roll / complete control couplet to me means "you want it both ways, really" and the "well I don't know" bit means "I don't think that's possible ultimately".

Then the final bit is maybe saying that (back then) the singer would have gone along with whatever position you wanted to take in order to be with you.

tim u r smart

yah tim otm, also all those parts add up to a pretty tite description of a type

It reminds me of what feels to me like a fairly common modern fiction scenario where the male hero is so impressed by his sharp opinionated girlfriend that he just glosses over the inconsistency/superficiality of her positions until she dumps him for some hot rich dude.

Or maybe I'm imagining that this is a common modern fiction scenario.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bUFqcDOfiw

nice! the drums on that song are fuckin monstrous

awesome

'horchata' is a catchy song but I don't really like having it in my head

Threads like this make me terrified to write lyrics. You can play a weird chord and no-one will blink, but stick in a few obscure words when you're stuck for a rhyme, and people will ruminate on them and conclude that you like to club baby seals.

guys it's pretty obvious that VW titling their second album after a synonym for "versus" is a nod to Pearl Jam

Giving Up The Glorified G

dope album

do i really need to read this thread? again??

Big feature on VW in the new issue of Relix btw (which gets sent to me in the mail, for some reason, even though I've never written for them.) Not as big as the Drive-By Truckers cover story or Pavement feature, though. (The latter has a sidebar from Trey Anastasio, who says "Pavement was the soundtrack to the second half of the '90s for me.") Also, Jon Pareles's review of VW's New York show in this morning's Times says it was their longest show ever, yet still completely unimprovisatory. Phish fans wouldn't approve of that, right?

longest show ever at 80 minutes.

honestly, a lot more bands would do well to keep their sets that short. when i saw Monsters of Folk play in Boston last fall, they played for an interminable three hours

i think most bands should play about 40 minutes, 7 or 8 songs

i think you could leave after 40 minutes

not the same thing, plus i want to ruin it for you

although tbh half the reason the MoF show was interminable was because, for the most part, their songs aren't that good

there aren't a whole lotta bands that can carry off 3 hours IMO

MoF probably could've carried an enjoyable half hour at best

even shit i love would probably start to lose me in a super marathon set...

bruce springsteen fronting hawkwind could probably do it

there aren't a whole lotta bands that can carry off 3 hours IMO

not a lot of rock bands at least

btw seriously can't believe how many people on this thread have never drank horchata

I'm allergic to almonds/not a New England WASP

recent VW gig attendees: did they have strings with them?

Three hours of GBV on the "farewell tour" made me second-guess my fandom for the band.

xp could use an horchata right now

do they have taquerias in waspland?

there aren't a whole lotta bands that can carry off 3 hours IMO

not a lot of rock bands at least

― rinse the lemonade (Jordan), Tuesday, January 19, 2010 4:53 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah jazz is a whole different thing

recent VW gig attendees: did they have strings with them?

― Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe)

the Times article xhuxk mentioned said there were strings at that show

new england wasps do not drink horchata

they dont even know what it is until they go to columbia

or hear Vampire Weekend

The only three hour show I really enjoyed was a Smashing Pumpkins show in 1996 on the MCIS tour. Billy got pissed off that a bunch of people left immediately after they played "1979" and decided he wanted to "punish" them, going on to play a 20+ minute "Silverfuck" and an even longer version of "The Aeroplane Flies High". Both were epic and among my favorite versions ever.

Was the show longer than forty minutes?

Sorry, was tagging onto the 3-hour plus show talk. Back to Vampire Weekend, the album is still good.

Clash references--"contra" (as opposed to Sandinista)and "complete control." Hmmmm, are there more?

"diplomat's son" = joe strummer, right?

lol i've been wondering if the first two lines of "holiday" are a "matty groves" shoutout

Clash extensively sampled Taxi Driver in "Red Angel Dragnet"; VW do a boring song called "Taxi Cab".

VW's debut was one of my favorite albums of '08 - maybe my favorite - but I've been a little wary of downloading this new one. None of the tracks I've heard from it have really grabbed me yet, the way "Cape Cod Kwassa Kwass" grabbed me the first time I heard it. To bring in a totally dissimilar band that this situation reminds me of, Joanna Newsom's sophomore effort "Ys" was much more critically acclaimed and polished than the debut, but to me, it seemed to lose the ramshackle charm, spontaneity, and most importantly, hooks, that made the debut a wonderful thing. Rhyming "horchata" with "balaclava" or whatever does nothing for me. What I like about their lyrics is the emotional rawness at times.

They had strings, and the longest show really didn't feel particularly long. Their songs are short and tight enough that I never got bored, and they spaced out the newer less poppy stuff with the older really catchy stuff (that everyone sang along to). Also, it's my impression that bands that do really long shows (speaking from experience, The Dead, Phish, etc) do intermissions. So they are really playing two one and a half hour sets. Not a full three hour set (which would be brutal). Also, chemicals are employed to make three hours shows way enjoyable.

h8 live music so boring n loud

New album entered US chart at #1.