That's nice.

"Your turn, Raven"
"No it is thine, Youth. For your mighty bass doth conjour a magick most strange and mysterious"

(Jaz) "Come on you guys, decide! I said I'd be home by 9. Mum gets awfully worried if I'm late"

somethign tells me this thread has not really persuaded Dr C (or perhaps several silent others) that KJ have more to offer than some over-serious music hall post-Black Sabbath heebie geebies..

post-1981, I feel somewhat similar.

But I agree that the words to Butcher are extraordinary.

And, Jon, calling you a cretin for qausi-disrespecting the Joke is hardly an insult. Wait `til I really get rolling (i.e. when a frothing Killing Joke zealot insults you.....YOU'LL KNOW IT!)

I'm going to get out my battered old pope-and-nazis t-shirt tonight and write 'qausi-disrespect the Joke' on the front. Surely a mantra to live by.

Dr C. - was that in Reading when Sub-Active supported them?

If so, are you sure you didn't get confused and leave after the support band?

(former lead vocalist of Sub-Active....)

I mentioned The Joke on another thread about bands I used to love but just don't listen to any more.

This is true, but I feel I should make it clear that the reason I don't find myself wanting to listen to them any more is because I hear their influence ALL THE TIME; reproduced, corrupted, distorted and diluted in every pompous, over-blown goth-rock / industrial band that's spewed out it's ill-conceived drivel in the last 20 years.

It's easy to mock them as a combination of metal and punk - but let's not forget that Nirvana have been put on a pedestal for doing PRECISELY THAT, a full 10 YEARS later (I defy anyone to listen to "Bleach" and deny the Killing Joke influences at work there, presumably before Mr Cobain had encountered The Pixies!).

The influence of Killing Joke is enormous and largely unheralded.

Fwiw, I don't listen to Nirvana these days either, because of the hordes of unisnspired second-rate they too have inspired.

More important point - isn't it odd to avoid a band *because they inspired some crap*. I mean, why not avoid the crap instead? Someone start a thread!

It's not that I'm consciously avoiding KJ, just that I very seldom find myself actually wanting to listen to them any more.

I think the issue is that my taste for that type of music has been diminished by all the crap.

HA! HA! HA! - That's farfuckingoutasite funny. And to think I always thought that band had all the earthshaking power of the last time Noel Coward went on a bender, smudged his lipstick and smashed a Waterford goblet or two. Thanks for the correction.

Jawohl, dem Nordic pagan fire eaters, dey so visceral extreme, nicht wahr? And dat Jaz Boorman mit der dingdang fiery spear of destiny: no mark begets a lineage of village oaf no marks. Big fucking deal.

Roll Over Adorno ... and tell Tanya Headon that lines like this inspire me to hate all music too. If not that, well, hating all music fans is a good place to start.

But to contribute to this very constructive thread, I hasten to mention that my favorite Killing Joke songs have always been "Saucy Jack", "Deutschland über alles", "My Ding-a-Ling" and "We Didn't Start The Fire" - in that order. Leni Riefenstahl I find to be the sexiest member of the group. She so visceral extreme to the utmost methinks; not to mention being approximately half the age of Jaz Boorman.

I cant speak for Cheap Trick, but Pixies lyrics are some of the best in rock history.

http://216.127.66.72/a/albums/albun09/aab.sized.jpg

yes, no, maybe so -- and that's an important part of what makes them good.

I'll take even midly evocotive nonsense over almost anything too pat and linear.

Please....I don't know where these allegations come from, but Killing Joke are **NOT** Aryan white supremacists. Maybe they're not the nicest guys in the world, but they're not racist rabble-rousers. You're thinking of Skrewdriver.

The only possible reason I can think of off hand is a rather unfortunate photo shoot for one of the weekly music papers around the time "Revelations" came out, which involved the paraphernalia from certain freemasonry rituals....

http://music.dartmouth.edu/~dupras/kj/d.gallery/d.band/d.lrg/KJ.NME.1982.lrg.jpg

Maybe I don't know enough about Freemasonry, but I gathered it had more to do with the occult than with Aryanism/white supremacy.

Honour The Set Square And Compass.... and those nice little little aprons!

With the weather like it is at the moment - I'm busy honouring the fire.

Editor place acronym for LAUGHING OUT LOUD here.

Paula G., meanwhile, has done nothing of the sort, and continues to spout whistle-headed nonsense (not least accusing the Joke of being Goths), so PISS OFF!

ooooooh stop me

I just got Psychopharmacology though, Alex. I love it.

Killing Joke wise, I'm not going to get all winded about it. Seek out the first album......

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc300/c309/c309332s0t8.jpg

....and if that doesn't grab ya, don't bother pursuing it further.